FB: American Rivers Conference

[Kohawk Krazy]

That Breitbach had his breakout game the same day as his close friend Freddy Jackson made it to the NFL was icing on the cake.

No offense, Charles, but I'm curious to know how someone who didn't report to his first preseason camp for Coe until 2005 can be a "close friend" of someone that had graduated in 2003.  Not to say that its impossible that Breitbach likes to hang out with guys 6 years older than himself, but still strikes me as odd.

Don't get me wrong, if a former Knight made an NFL roster, I'd be thrilled.  But injecting Freddy's name into every mention of Coe more than just a bit ridiculous.  I'd go so far as to say that it might take away from the accomplishments of others.  Its as if you're saying "That Breitbach kid, yeah he's good, but only because he's Fred Jackson's buddy."  I know that's not your intention, but it kind of comes off that way.

In defense of Charlie, and many people may not know this, but the Breitbach family is very close with Freddy and his family, which was the reason for the mention.  I've heard that when Freddy called Raeburn to inform him of the news, he was more concerned about Tommy and the way the Kohawks played.

[Old Dutch]

All this talk about what wins mean what as far as the IIAC season goes, lets look at the strength of schedules for non-con games:

BV - Bethel 9-2 MIAC champs and Waldorf
Central - Tommies 6-4 MIAC and Hope 7-4 MIAA champs
Coe - Ill Wes. 3-7 CCIW and Aurora 5-5 IBC
Cornell - NW MN 7-3 IND and Alma 6-4 MIAA
DBQ - Rockford 7-3 IND and Wisc Luth. 0-10 MIAA
Loras - UIU 3-8 NSIC and Tommies 6-4 MIAC
Luther - Oles 8-2 MIAC and Waldorf
Simpson Conc Wi 10-1 IBC and Bethel 9-2 MIAC champs
Wartburg - Monmoth 7-3 MWC champs and Augsburg 1-9 MIAC

I'd go like this:
Loras
Simpson
Central
Coe
BV
Luther
Wartburg
Cornell
DBQ

IMHO - non of these are as tough as they should be - if we want to make noise inthe playoffs we have to prepare against playoff contenders.  The combination of Augustana and Bethel a couple years ago for Central sure made it tough, but taught the Dutch alot about winning tight games.

[Charlie Kohawk]

No offense, Charles, but I'm curious to know how someone who didn't report to his first preseason camp for Coe until 2005 can be a "close friend" of someone that had graduated in 2003.  Not to say that its impossible that Breitbach likes to hang out with guys 6 years older than himself, but still strikes me as odd.

Don't get me wrong, if a former Knight made an NFL roster, I'd be thrilled.  But injecting Freddy's name into every mention of Coe more than just a bit ridiculous.  I'd go so far as to say that it might take away from the accomplishments of others.  Its as if you're saying "That Breitbach kid, yeah he's good, but only because he's Fred Jackson's buddy."  I know that's not your intention, but it kind of comes off that way.

Thanks for your support Krazy. Sportsknight, I thought you knew better. I would never, ever diminish the accomplishments of any Kohawk, past or present. That I mentioned Tommy and Freddy's friendship is only because it's true. Tommy's parents were practically surrogate parents to Fred and Patrick while they were at Coe and continue to maintain very close ties. I wasn't there, but I bet Tom's mom screamed just as loud when she heard Freddy made the Bills as she did when Tommy scored on Saturday (trust me, she has a piercing scream). I know his dad was pretty excited when I called him with the news. I'd even bet Tom received a call from Freddy himself and that they talked smack. Perhaps instead of assuming the worst you should give people a little credit for knowing the culture of their football program.

[DutchHawk]

Ive always thought it would be fun for Central to schedule a home and home with a Trinity, HSU, or some national power like that, it can only mean good things and really cant hurt!

[warthog]

I miss the insightful comments from Lorbec47, Lance Harbor, Pakk, Spurrier, and House76.  It would be nice if they would chime in occasionally. 

[Airborne Dutch]

I'm glad that I had limited access for a day because Purple Heys got me all spun up about his assessment of Central. Now, I can understand your point and its true Central has not had a playoff victory in awhile. However, consider the draw we had in 2005. UW-Whitewater was on a whole different level. Even in 2006, Central was a #2 seed but St. Johns very well could have had that seed also had it not been for a loss. Central has not had an easy draw for the last two appearances. Remember that in 2000 and 2001, Central had very deep runs in the playoffs. The potential is there. Like I said, the team just has had some ridiculously tough first round opponents. I won't beat a dead horse anymore than it already has.

On to the season at hand. I am decidedly out of the country and won't make it to any games this season. I have to rely on updates from my old man. Based on his observations, I'm not reading too much into the statistics, same as most of the other posters. The way he described the offense was more playing not to screw up instead of seeing what they can do. Central has too many weapons to have the offense considered a liability. On the defensive side, I love the move of Doud to safety. Since he has come to Central, he really has been the captain of the secondary. The D has so much speed that I foresee another year as the conference's top D.

[coocooforcoekohawk]

Perhaps instead of assuming the worst you should give people a little credit for knowing the culture of their football program.

Wartburg guys do it because they are pricks. 


I thought we already covered this.

[doolittledog]

All this talk about what wins mean what as far as the IIAC season goes, lets look at the strength of schedules for non-con games:

BV - Bethel 9-2 MIAC champs and Waldorf
Central - Tommies 6-4 MIAC and Hope 7-4 MIAA champs
Coe - Ill Wes. 3-7 CCIW and Aurora 5-5 IBC
Cornell - NW MN 7-3 IND and Alma 6-4 MIAA
DBQ - Rockford 7-3 IND and Wisc Luth. 0-10 MIAA
Loras - UIU 3-8 NSIC and Tommies 6-4 MIAC
Luther - Oles 8-2 MIAC and Waldorf
Simpson Conc Wi 10-1 IBC and Bethel 9-2 MIAC champs
Wartburg - Monmoth 7-3 MWC champs and Augsburg 1-9 MIAC

I'd go like this:
Loras
Simpson
Central
Coe
BV
Luther
Wartburg
Cornell
DBQ

IMHO - non of these are as tough as they should be - if we want to make noise inthe playoffs we have to prepare against playoff contenders.  The combination of Augustana and Bethel a couple years ago for Central sure made it tough, but taught the Dutch alot about winning tight games.

Teams change so much from season to season.  You have Coe as 3rd toughest playing Ill Wesleyan that went 3-8 last year and Aurora that went 5-5.  Dubuque you rank dead last playing Rockford that went 7-3 last year and Wisconsin Lutheran that went 0-10.  But last week Wisconsin Lutheran BEAT Aurora.  So would that change the rankings???

[warthog]

coocoo:

Thanks for that vote of confidence.

[Walston Hoover]

Wartburg guys do it because they are pricks. 


I thought we already covered this.

Thank You. It had been a while since I had been accused of that and I was starting to think I was softening up on this board. Morrison always told me I needed to be more of a prick. Take that Coach!

[sc_stormchaser]

A few observations from the Simpson game-

I thought the defense played well. I know one concern was the d-line because of the loss of seniors, but they didn't look too bad at all. SC has a d-end transfer from U of South Dakota who looked good. I believe he is listed at 6-3 260 lbs and I happened to walk by him after the game. Let me tell you, he's every bit of that. In fact, I thought both d-ends looked good. The linebackers should be fine and the secondary will hopefully come right along. Simpson's little corner had the biggest hit of the day. Come up on what looked like a cover 2 and thumped the wide receiver. The wideout stayed down and had to be helped off the field.

I think the offense will be much improved from last year. I know, that isn't saying much. The o-line opened up some holes and the backs ran hard. At wideout, Kain looked good and they have a transfer (Kimble) who should be pretty good. He blew by the secondary a couple of times, but the QB over threw him. The program said he played in the US Army game out of high school, was a red-shirt at Iowa State, moved onto a community college. Same QB as last year, threw a bad pick, a few over throws. I thought he looked better than last year.

Conclusion: Either Simpson is much better than last year, Concordia is much worse than last year (they lost much of their 10-0 team from last year), or a combination of the two. Probably a combination.

Hopefully, they can go up to Twin Cities and come back with a win.

[Purple Heys]

Cool pix on the Scoreboard for the Cornell/Northwestern game.

It includes the sequence where the sprinklers came on just before the potential game tying PAT.  It doesn't show LB Gustavson's ensuing block but it does show Cornell's FS Don Bladt coming down with the ball.

You'll also see Northwestern's OT take a run through the sprinklers, just for the fun of it.  Only in D3.

There's another cool sequence on the first page of Cornell's TE Macey plowing through 4 Northwestern defenders into the end zone.  He carries Northwestern's #13 (who weighs in at 6'6" and 250lbs.) 5 yards with him draped all over him.

[sportsknight]

Sportsknight, I thought you knew better. I would never, ever diminish the accomplishments of any Kohawk, past or present. That I mentioned Tommy and Freddy's friendship is only because it's true. Tommy's parents were practically surrogate parents to Fred and Patrick while they were at Coe and continue to maintain very close ties. I wasn't there, but I bet Tom's mom screamed just as loud when she heard Freddy made the Bills as she did when Tommy scored on Saturday (trust me, she has a piercing scream). I know his dad was pretty excited when I called him with the news. I'd even bet Tom received a call from Freddy himself and that they talked smack. Perhaps instead of assuming the worst you should give people a little credit for knowing the culture of their football program.

You got me.  That was something I was unaware of (not sure how I could have known).  Not that you've explained the situation, it makes sense that guys as far away from home as the Jacksons would have an unofficial "host family" that took them under their wings.  Good for the Breitbachs to do such a thing.
Second, I know you weren't trying to take anything away from Breitbach's game on Saturday.  I said that in my post.  I was just letting you know how it read to me.  If that means that I "assume the worst," then I guess I'm guilty as charged.

[sportsknight]

Wartburg guys do it because they are pricks. 


I thought we already covered this.

Actually, I don't think you did.  There was nary a post from Ol' Coocoo for a good long time, then after a particular transfer, you came back spouting off about how Wartburg guys are, as you so eloquently put it, "pricks."  Maybe you should explain yourself a bit and let us all know how you came to such a conclusion.  Because right now it seems like you're just very bitter that a 21-year-old kid chose a different school over yours.

"Great post sportsknight. You're a class act to acknowledge the opposing team's fans. "
Know who said that back in January of '06?  Charlie, a Coe fan.  So before you go dismissing everyone that goes to, has gone to, or cheers for a certain school, maybe you should pull your head out first.

[DutchFan2004]

sportsknight,

Has there been a decision made yet for this Saturday?  Are you going to be the play by play guy for the radio for the Hope/Central game.  Been listening to your Wednesday night shows.  Doing a good job IMHO.