FB: American Rivers Conference

Purple Heys · October 16, 2007, 03:42:07 PM

Quote from: doolittledog on October 16, 2007, 11:54:05 AM

Talent is talent, doesn't matter if it is from Iowa or Florida. Also, just because you come from Florida or California doesn't mean you are good. Another thing, you can be talented, but if you are a freshmen or sophomore there is a good chance you will get schooled by an opponant full of upper classmen.

Agree on the point that talent is talent regardless of where you are...BUT, there is simply more of it in California, Florida, and Texas. The recruiting numbers, at all levels of NCAA play across all sports men's and women's, from those states is an irrefutable fact.

If the supposition holds that home grown Iowans are avoiding a lower tier team like Cornell, it holds then that Cornell must search beyond the borders...

Purple Heys · October 16, 2007, 04:02:31 PM

Back on the subject of athletic talent...

Take a look at the comparative Track and Field marks from CA, TX and FL and compare against Iowa.

You will be hard pressed to find a top mark from Iowa that surpasses any from one of those states let alone all three. Lots of good RB'S, WR's, TE's, DB's and LB's compete in HS track...

As a coach...you follow the talent to where the talent is. Its a sales job from there.

DutchFan2004 · October 16, 2007, 04:20:02 PM

doolittle,

Here is to your lawn mower getting a flat tire at 12:58.

doolittledog · October 16, 2007, 04:24:46 PM

It also takes finding the right kid. Not all kids from California or Florida will be all that impressed with Iowa come wintertime. Something I think Cornell will take into account and probably better than Dubuque did for many years. That had been the problem at Dubuque for quite awhile. Somewhat like what Cornell finds now in their recruiting is with a losing team most local Iowa kids will gravitate towards the winning programs. Dubuque had to broaden their recruiting nets. They often had rosters filled with Florida and California kids and as soon as the season was over they were gone. It didn't matter how talented they were. As freshmen they weren't going to compete very well against teams with veteran players.

Also, another point I was trying to make is speed alone doesn't make you a good football player. Dubuque had a wr that ran a 4.3 but couldn't catch a ball to save his life. That is where the talent comment from me came in. There are those on here that say you have to recruit Iowa kids...there are those on here saying you have to recruit Florida and California kids. I think you just need to get kids that can play football...no matter where they come from. Plus you need to recruit kids with a good head on their shoulders that will stick around for 4 or 5 years.

doolittledog · October 16, 2007, 04:25:57 PM

Quote from: DutchFan2004 on October 16, 2007, 04:20:02 PM
doolittle,

Here is to your lawn mower getting a flat tire at 12:58.

I'd give you +k for that but I already gave you some this morning

DutchFan2004 · October 16, 2007, 04:29:47 PM

doolittle,

I think you are correct about the kids from the coasts. Iowa can be kind of a cultural shock. Not only to you have to have talent and ability I think one thing that has been left out of the conversation is work ethic. A hard worker can out work an athlete with natural ability. Dedication to the sport and team go a long ways too. If the athelete is only out for himself the team may and IMO will suffer. Football is a team sport. 11 players working together.

PS the thought counts thats for the double k thought

DutchHawk · October 16, 2007, 04:35:57 PM

I would say Ohio is a football hotbed as well.

TheOne89.1 · October 16, 2007, 04:36:59 PM

Quote from: ramfan27 on October 16, 2007, 01:35:23 PM
The one thing that hurt us at Cornell while I was there is the that we could never get experience on the both sides of the ball for one season. My sophomore year we had an experienced and very good offense. However our defense was very young, as in off the top of my head I can think of 7 sophomores and freshman that started and all were first year starters. That led to some games were we scored a ton but still lost (that was the year we lost to Coe 66-63). Two years later however our defense was very experienced but we had a young offense, specifically the offensive line. That translated into quite a few 13-0 and 21-14 losses for us that year. The key is being experienced year in and year out on both sides of the ball, and as someone said earlier I think that comes from a steady mixture of fresh, sophs, jr's and sr's playing on both sides of the ball.

Perfect reason why I think JV teams are important to a college football program. True, a JV game on a Sunday or Monday afternoon isn't exactly like a Saturday game...but from my experiences, the coaches take that just as seriously as they do those Saturday games. When those Freshman and Sophomores put in playing time on JV and then move up to Varsity, they are already a step above the rest of the teams in the conference who don't have a JV squad.

DutchFan2004 · October 16, 2007, 04:46:04 PM

89.1

That has some merit. However I think at Central it may not be taken as serious. I really don't think the coaches care who wins or loses a JV game. They don't spend a lot of time worrying about a W as much as player development. Can the understand their roles on the field to help out when called upon to help the varsity. It is also a way to keep the freshman and sophomores that need time to develop to feel a part of the program. Learn the offense or defense. So maybe we are thinking the same here. The coaches look at the time on the field as productive but they could care less about the W.

Purple Heys · October 16, 2007, 05:12:19 PM

Quote from: doolittledog on October 16, 2007, 04:24:46 PM
It also takes finding the right kid. Not all kids from California or Florida will be all that impressed with Iowa come wintertime. Something I think Cornell will take into account and probably better than Dubuque did for many years. That had been the problem at Dubuque for quite awhile. Somewhat like what Cornell finds now in their recruiting is with a losing team most local Iowa kids will gravitate towards the winning programs. Dubuque had to broaden their recruiting nets. They often had rosters filled with Florida and California kids and as soon as the season was over they were gone. It didn't matter how talented they were. As freshmen they weren't going to compete very well against teams with veteran players.

Also, another point I was trying to make is speed alone doesn't make you a good football player. Dubuque had a wr that ran a 4.3 but couldn't catch a ball to save his life. That is where the talent comment from me came in. There are those on here that say you have to recruit Iowa kids...there are those on here saying you have to recruit Florida and California kids. I think you just need to get kids that can play football...no matter where they come from. Plus you need to recruit kids with a good head on their shoulders that will stick around for 4 or 5 years.

Amen.

Purple Heys · October 16, 2007, 05:15:07 PM

That comment about the JV team is right on...no substitute for game experience.

Despite low numbers...I would love to see Cornell schedule 2-3 games with the second squad...even schedule just 1 during the Bye week.

TheOne89.1 · October 16, 2007, 05:16:08 PM

DF2004-

I guess I worded my post wrong...I don't want to give the wrong impression that they only want the "W', but they want to get the guys on the field, get them on tape against an opponent so they can go back and look at the film and give them another tool to learn more and be prepared for those games on Saturday. When I say they take them seriously, if there is a loss the coaches expect the players to learn from everything that went on that day and not just blow it off and say "oh well, it was just a JV game". They also know those Wartburg Freshman going against those Central Freshman on a Sunday afternoon will be seeing each other 2-3 years from now possibly on the last Saturday of the regular season to see who will be the conference champ and go on to playoffs and who will be handing in their gear and getting ready for next year.

DutchFan2004 · October 16, 2007, 05:57:44 PM

89.1,

I think we were talking the same thing. The kids get the JV time to be evaluated throughout the year. To help find the replacements for next year. The should play JV ball. There are no redshirts other than for medical so the guys might as well play at any level to get some game/field time.

DutchHawk · October 16, 2007, 06:00:43 PM

I agree DF04...the JV games are for beating up on someone else...not your own teammates. As well as time for those younger kids to grow, get game speed experience and not have to be beat up by the scout team every day. The varsity at Central always stops by after their Monday walk through to cheer on the JV for a half before films...I think that is a great think for development as well!

MNbeev · October 16, 2007, 07:20:04 PM

I totally agree with JV being a time to be evaluated and it being a time to hit someone else. JV games are a huge part of being prepared to take a step up to varsity, granted not the same level of play but it is a great tool. This is the time where the kids get to show what they can do and play the game they love. Hell, I owe my entire DIII career to one game, and one hit. The coaches gave me an opportunity after that and it turned out in my favor.