FB: American Rivers Conference

[footballdaddy]

Ok,how about an unconventional choice for MVP. A player who has made an impact on offense, defense, and special teams. Not leading the league in any category bur making an impact on his team. Nick Weber of Wartburg. Sherden, Connell, and
Jackson are all outstanding players, but if each was not able to play, there would be a capable substitute available. If Weber does not play it impacts all aspects of the game. Just me throwing another name into the hat.

[Walston Hoover]

Nick Weber-16 Catches for over 12 yard average/catch.
3rd in conf with ints with 4.
1st in punt return avg with 15.1
7th in passes defended.
Nothing too flashy, but no one else has all those stats on both sides of the ball and special teams.
He has a pretty good case for conf MVP.
Alas, despite 3 conf titles since then, the last time a Wartburg player or coach was COY of POY was 1999.
Heck our conf coaches picked a 6-4 coach as COY in 2004 even with the coach having the same record from the year before.

[Kohawk Krazy]

Nick Weber-16 Catches for over 12 yard average/catch.
3rd in conf with ints with 4.
1st in punt return avg with 15.1
7th in passes defended.
Nothing too flashy, but no one else has all those stats on both sides of the ball and special teams.
He has a pretty good case for conf MVP.

I would think Tommy Breitbach has about the same case to make for MVP.

20 catches for 14.4 yards per catch, averaging 48.2 receiving yards per game, 8th in the IIAC.
103.8 All-Purpose yards per game, 8th in the IIAC.
23.1 Kick Return average, 2nd in the IIAC.
4.0 points per game, 10th in the IIAC.
6.8 Tackles per game, 23rd in the IIAC.
1.0 passes defended per game, 6th in the IIAC.

They only look at IIAC stats for All-Conference and MVP, so I'd say that Tommy has just as good of shot, as all of his numbers listed above are better than Webers IIAC numbers.

[Klopenhiemer]

Nick Weber-16 Catches for over 12 yard average/catch.
3rd in conf with ints with 4.
1st in punt return avg with 15.1
7th in passes defended.
Nothing too flashy, but no one else has all those stats on both sides of the ball and special teams.
He has a pretty good case for conf MVP.
Alas, despite 3 conf titles since then, the last time a Wartburg player or coach was COY of POY was 1999.
Heck our conf coaches picked a 6-4 coach as COY in 2004 even with the coach having the same record from the year before.

Walston, 
I think there was a lot that went into that pick.  BV rallied off a nice string of wins after the opening weekend loss to Bethel.  They beat the Wartys at home and then went on to rattle off 5 more wins before stumbling to Central.  Then a win at Waldorf, and a stumble and Simpson and Coe to finish the season.  That year if I remember right the conf champ was a 7-3 Coe team.  Might have shared that title.  I can not remeber.  I think with BV being in the title race till the last possible day and having the season that they had justified the awarding of the COY that year. 

Even in the year before when they were 6-4 and beat Central for the first time in 30 some years.  The 2002 season was a disaster so the quick turn around and success made all look good. 

So since I have made some justifications for the COY that  year I am going to UD's coach hands down should be the COY this year.  If the same principals apply then he should receive the award. 

[dbljay21]

Ok,how about an unconventional choice for MVP. A player who has made an impact on offense, defense, and special teams. Not leading the league in any category bur making an impact on his team. Nick Weber of Wartburg. Sherden, Connell, and
Jackson are all outstanding players, but if each was not able to play, there would be a capable substitute available. If Weber does not play it impacts all aspects of the game. Just me throwing another name into the hat.

footballdaddy,
I disagree about Sherden and the Norse running backs.  Lamos and Lower are good backs and capable players, but they cannot come close to the impact or production as Sherden.  I can't speak to the other situations because I don't know enough about Connell's backup or Jackson's backup.  I do know, firsthand, the difference Sherden makes to the Norse.  Add in the fact that the Norse struggle to throw the ball with Sherden, if you take him away, defenses will stack the box and dare the Norse passing attack to beat them.  Just my two cents about that.

I think Weber will get some consideration for MVP because of his contributions in all phases of the game, but I agree with beaverbeliever...If Central is undefeated at the end of the year, the award goes to Connell.  Best player on the best team usually wins it...but all of the guys we are talking about have a good case 

[doolittledog]

How about we give POY and COY to the team that hasn't won those awards since the 70's!?!?

Jackson and Brautigam get my vote...but then again I just might be a bit biased!!!

I think if Central goes 10-0 then they probably get Connell and McMartin winning both awards.  If Central and Wartburg both end at 9-1 then you might see DBQ sneak in there. 

[dbljay21]

Nick Weber-16 Catches for over 12 yard average/catch.
3rd in conf with ints with 4.
1st in punt return avg with 15.1
7th in passes defended.
Nothing too flashy, but no one else has all those stats on both sides of the ball and special teams.
He has a pretty good case for conf MVP.

I would think Tommy Breitbach has about the same case to make for MVP.

20 catches for 14.4 yards per catch, averaging 48.2 receiving yards per game, 8th in the IIAC.
103.8 All-Purpose yards per game, 8th in the IIAC.
23.1 Kick Return average, 2nd in the IIAC.
4.0 points per game, 10th in the IIAC.
6.8 Tackles per game, 23rd in the IIAC.
1.0 passes defended per game, 6th in the IIAC.

They only look at IIAC stats for All-Conference and MVP, so I'd say that Tommy has just as good of shot, as all of his numbers listed above are better than Webers IIAC numbers.

I don't think either Weber or Breitbach will win the MVP and they would both be considered long shots to do so.  They will get mentioned at the meeting and get some consideration because they contribute in all three phases.  However, the numbers that Connell, Sherden and Jackson have put up are very, very good.  And if Central goes unbeaten, Connell will get a lot of credit for producing while Schuring was out with injuries.  Weber and Breitbach are very good players; you have to be to play on both sides of the football in the IIAC, but I just don't see them winning the IIAC MVP based on their numbers.  They might win their team MVP awards but not the IIAC.

[Klopenhiemer]

Ok,how about an unconventional choice for MVP. A player who has made an impact on offense, defense, and special teams. Not leading the league in any category bur making an impact on his team. Nick Weber of Wartburg. Sherden, Connell, and
Jackson are all outstanding players, but if each was not able to play, there would be a capable substitute available. If Weber does not play it impacts all aspects of the game. Just me throwing another name into the hat.

Not to try and improve Connell chances at the POY, but if he doesnt play a there back up is a freshman from Manilla, IA.  The kid won a state title last year at IKM, but dont know if would be able to direct of the offense the way Connell does in freshman season. 

[Dsquared]

FBDaddy... take Weber out, and you have a slightly less talented person in as a DB, probably an equally talented receiver and you can stick anyone back there that can catch a ball to return punts.  Weber is a great talent, but if Cody Kelley doesn't win the conference MVP when he was a MUCH better all-around player essentially making the mold for a guy like Weber, Weber won't win it this year.  There are several other players that have been mentioned that carry teams to wins.  Wartburg is solid without Weber... but Central, UD and Luther all might have at least 1 more 'L' this year were it not for the play of Connell, Sherdan and Jackson.

[knightlife06]

FBDaddy... take Weber out, and you have a slightly less talented person in as a DB, probably an equally talented receiver and you can stick anyone back there that can catch a ball to return punts.  Weber is a great talent, but if Cody Kelley doesn't win the conference MVP when he was a MUCH better all-around player essentially making the mold for a guy like Weber, Weber won't win it this year.  There are several other players that have been mentioned that carry teams to wins.  Wartburg is solid without Weber... but Central, UD and Luther all might have at least 1 more 'L' this year were it not for the play of Connell, Sherdan and Jackson.

Respect your opinion but disagree on every comment about Weber.  Slightly less talented DB after Weber? Not even close, Weber is a stud.  If there was an equally talented receiver behind him don't you think the coaching staff would use Weber strictly as a DB?  And yes, many people can catch the punt, but can they return?  Not at all.  Cody Kelley got screwed for the MVP back then, I hope it doesn't happen to Weber, especially if the Knights go undefeated in the conference.

[wartknight]

I see two IIAC teams getting in this year. The Warts as the AQ & the Dutch with a pool C bid......Lets get by the Rams & welcome the Dutch!!!!

[Walston Hoover]

As much as I agree  about Brautigham and COY, I think it would be criminal if the Knights won the conf and he did not get coach of the year. Lets not forget he inherited a team coming off their worst season since 1997 and is only in his second year as a head man.
No way McMartin wins COY this year. If its not Koehler, its Brautigham.

[KCDutch]

FBDaddy... take Weber out, and you have a slightly less talented person in as a DB, probably an equally talented receiver and you can stick anyone back there that can catch a ball to return punts.  Weber is a great talent, but if Cody Kelley doesn't win the conference MVP when he was a MUCH better all-around player essentially making the mold for a guy like Weber, Weber won't win it this year.  There are several other players that have been mentioned that carry teams to wins.  Wartburg is solid without Weber... but Central, UD and Luther all might have at least 1 more 'L' this year were it not for the play of Connell, Sherdan and Jackson.

Respect your opinion but disagree on every comment about Weber.  Slightly less talented DB after Weber? Not even close, Weber is a stud.  If there was an equally talented receiver behind him don't you think the coaching staff would use Weber strictly as a DB?  And yes, many people can catch the punt, but can they return?  Not at all.  Cody Kelley got screwed for the MVP back then, I hope it doesn't happen to Weber, especially if the Knights go undefeated in the conference.

Can Wartburg posters move past the bitterness of Kelley not winning POY and Willis getting shut out as COY his last few years?

Ignoring Connell, b/c of my bias, I would give the award to Jackson then Sherden then fill in the blank.

[sportsknight]

Our team got knocked out of the playoff hunt in week 8. Solon and Tipton are very good. Our other loss this year was to Starmont; and A-P found out how good they were in week 9.

Show--looks like I'll be driving to Carrol on Wed. to help my good friend Penner again. Good luck at Hampton.

Aren't you forgetting about another loss.  I'm thinking particularly about the one that ruined your homecoming...

Nice try Sportsknight...I've worked 15 miles west for 2 years now. We ruined YOUR alma mater's homecoming this year.

Ahh, didn't know you had moved over to MV.  I actually lived in Hopkinton the first 5 years I was alive, but thankfully my parents came to their senses in 1988 and we laid tracks out of that hellhole.

[dbljay21]

As much as I agree  about Brautigham and COY, I think it would be criminal if the Knights won the conf and he did not get coach of the year. Lets not forget he inherited a team coming off their worst season since 1997 and is only in his second year as a head man.
No way McMartin wins COY this year. If its not Koehler, its Brautigham.

Sounds like you think Koehler should win it unless the Knights lose to Central, then it should be Brautigham   Why wouldn't McMartin be COY if the Dutch go undefeated   If the Knights win the conference, why does Koehler automatically get it  Isn't the Knight loss to Augsburg a worse loss than a Dutch loss to the Knights   I think Brautigham gets COY.