FB: American Rivers Conference

[BeaverOfYore]

Fred Jackson and Coe College getting some love on Fox NFL Sunday. They talked about them for a good 15 seconds. Jay Glazer called Fred Coe's most famous alum which the host took offense to because he is a Coe alum. Then they talked about Levy. Never brought up Bender.

Bender didn't play in the IIAC.  No offense to Coe, but there were defenses in the IIAC that would have been excited to have a shot at him, and I think that he would have had a less than stellar career...had he been facing early 90s Simpson, Wartburg, and Central.  Again...no offense, but Grinnell was really more focused on their relays during those years.

Bender played at Coe from 1991-1994.  During that time he had a 6-2 record against the Iowa Conference Schools with wins coming three times over Wartburg, twice over William Penn and once over Upper Iowa.  Their two losses were to Simpson in 1991 and Wartburg in 1994.  Playoff teams in those years were 1991 Simpson, 1993 Wartburg and 1994 Wartburg, so they beat a 1993 Wartburg playoff team.

I'd say Carey Bender would have done just fine in the Iowa Conference.

You might as well throw out the wins over William Penn and UIU because that's like bragging about beating Cornell today.  That would leave Coe at 3-2 vs. real teams.  Not saying anything about Bender himself, but the W-L record just got a lot less impressive.

[KCDutch]

Walston-

I heard Swenson turned Simpson down, can you confirm this w/ your inside sources?

[BeaverOfYore]

WHat HS Beaver of Yore?

South O'Brien, in northwest Iowa.  It's not exactly a hotbed of talent most years, but BV and Northwestern have turned some farm boys into good football players over the years.

[DutchFan2004]

BeaverofYore,

That might not be a bad idea to get a bunch of kids for BV on campus and to sort things out.  With special teams I think there may be many spots that kids could fill in on.  Kick, Kick return, Punt, and Punt Return you have 44 additional spots for PT along with the 22 other O and D positions.  I think many coaches could use this to get underclassman PT.  I know that their are cross over positions like return guys that might serve on both return teams but dangle that carrot out there and see who comes to nibble.  I really think that there are to many talented kids that go to the Iowa's, Iowa State's, and UNI's in hopes of that 5th year scholarship when if they would pick an IIAC school go there for 4 years get the degree they would be money ahead.  To many players IMO do not get to play and waste their talent.  Having said that I know that there are many majors that the IIAC schools do not offer such as the AG degrees with IA State.  Those kids that are kind of chasing the dream of D1 football and still getting the degree that they want are not wasting time.  The ones wasting it are the ones that could obtain the same type of degree from a d3 school and going 5 years to get it and maybe what 5 kids get a one year deal but have spent an extra year getting the degree. 

[DutchFan2004]

As far as needs go for next year the four that are mentioned do need to be replaced.  There are some kids there on campus that IMO can fill the shoes.  That being said I think that if there are some good recruits out there that they may feel that they can fill those shoes as well.  The defensive back field needs some help with the loss of Baethke, Doud, Baduex, Dierx, and LB's Altmeir (spelling) and Lehn.  There were also two D lineman graduation too.  Mulder and WillisThe recruiting wars are just heating up.  The few large sided victories the Dutch had gave them some PT for the younger players as well.  The one thing that the Dutch do have to look forward to is that they have been here in this position before.  They had just come off of a 5-5 and a 6-4 season when this group of seniors were sophomores.  Out of that season they produced a 9-1 regular season 9-2 overall and tie for IIAC crown.  They went on to a 20-0 regular season and a 2-2 playoff record.  So for a team with so many questions as that to fill in when they started after two down years lets hope after the 31-4 record they turned in three years the next class can continue on.   

[the_wing_t]

WHat HS Beaver of Yore?

South O'Brien, in northwest Iowa.  It's not exactly a hotbed of talent most years, but BV and Northwestern have turned some farm boys into good football players over the years.

I'll second that opinion!  I haven't played in a few years, but I remember BV's roster being full of kids from Kingsley-Pierson, Alta, Denison, Ar-We-Va....all those small Western Iowa schools.   With BV, you could always count on:
      1)  Solid O- and D-Lines that were big and physical.
      2)  Decent sized linebackers that would come up and hit you every play
      3)  A team that never would quit
      4)  A team that played clean.
      5)  Freezing your butt off if you played in Storm Lake in November!  Ha ha

As an O-lineman, I HATED playing BV.  I'd rather play Simpson or Wartburg anyday.  But it seems like they were only a skill player away from being a great football team.  Imagine BV in late late 90's if they'd have had a Trevor Shannon, Guy Leman, or Mark Kac (played just down the road in West Bend!)

One thing I've always wondered - why can't BV get the kids from Emmetsburg or Spencer to come and play there?  There's a ton of talent in those two schools, not to mention West Lyon, West Bend, Harlan, and some of the other high school powerhouses out there. 

[Walston Hoover]

Walston-

I heard Swenson turned Simpson down, can you confirm this w/ your inside sources?

Heard over the weekend that all 3 guys they brought in for an interview said thanks but no thanks. I'm wondering if its a money issue or the issue that the admissions has a bad relationship with the football team and they've had a tough time getting kids in the past few years.

[HoosierinIowa]

Purely a rumor but I heard with Swenson it was a money issue. Not sure about that, like I said just what I was told.

[Walston Hoover]

I would say it is highly likely that he makes more at Valley than Simpson was able to offer him.

[youcantseeme]

This is a real nice story for any of you that have been following Freddy's recent rise up the Bill's depth chart.

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/story/2007/12/3/71943/3268

[doolittledog]

I would say it is highly likely that he makes more at Valley than Simpson was able to offer him.

What kind of money are IIAC head coaches making now???

[HoosierinIowa]

The two places I know of an established high school coach will make more money initially than an Iowa Conference coach in his first year. That is not to say each institution can't do what they want, but by and large they are not lucrative positions.

[KCDutch]

I would say it is highly likely that he makes more at Valley than Simpson was able to offer him.

What kind of money are IIAC head coaches making now???

I think really depends on the school, success and longevity. 

If you look at Wartburg, the highest paid coach is Miller (based on their 2005 990) and he made a little over $80K w/ an additional $14K in retirement/deferred comp.

I'll give it Wartburg, Torkelson (in 2005) made slightly more than Miller.

[DutchFan2004]

WHat HS Beaver of Yore?

South O'Brien, in northwest Iowa.  It's not exactly a hotbed of talent most years, but BV and Northwestern have turned some farm boys into good football players over the years.

I'll second that opinion!  I haven't played in a few years, but I remember BV's roster being full of kids from Kingsley-Pierson, Alta, Denison, Ar-We-Va....all those small Western Iowa schools.   With BV, you could always count on:
      1)  Solid O- and D-Lines that were big and physical.
      2)  Decent sized linebackers that would come up and hit you every play
      3)  A team that never would quit
      4)  A team that played clean.
      5)  Freezing your butt off if you played in Storm Lake in November!  Ha ha

As an O-lineman, I HATED playing BV.  I'd rather play Simpson or Wartburg anyday.  But it seems like they were only a skill player away from being a great football team.  Imagine BV in late late 90's if they'd have had a Trevor Shannon, Guy Leman, or Mark Kac (played just down the road in West Bend!)

One thing I've always wondered - why can't BV get the kids from Emmetsburg or Spencer to come and play there?  There's a ton of talent in those two schools, not to mention West Lyon, West Bend, Harlan, and some of the other high school powerhouses out there. 

Add Heelan to that list of schools as well.

[DutchFan2004]

I would say it is highly likely that he makes more at Valley than Simpson was able to offer him.

What kind of money are IIAC head coaches making now???

Wow if Swenson is making $80,000 as a high school coach that is pretty good money!   Not saying that he is but if that is correct about Miller as stated that isn't to bad!