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[Klopenhiemer]

Yordi's punishment of sitting out for the Cornell game was the result of another issue of something being left on the other individuals myspace or facebook page made to look like it was from Yordi. I saw this kid's page in the past and he definitely has an agenda. There's no question that what he did was stupid, but what is going on right now is a complete waste of taxpayer dollars and is making a mockery of the legal system. I thought the whole situation was over until I read that link last night.
Its all part of the "I'm a victim" culture we live in right now.
Dutchfan1, don't go making a mountain out of a molehill. This is nowhere close to the Matthew Sheppard situation.
The whole concept of a hate crime is ridiculous if you ask me. Someone goes out and kills someone and for some reason it is worse if that person is of a different orientation?
A guy can yell out a derogatory term at 3 different people, but if the term actually applies, its a crime?

"If the term actually applies"??!!

WH, with all due respect, I suggest you are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

I'm not quite sure to type that last sentence in a way that makes it a little clearer in what I'm trying to conveigh. The only way I can think to do that is to give an example.
If I'm walking down the street with 2 of my buddies who are 5'10, 180, and 6'5, 210. And someone says "hey fatty" to each one of them and then says the same thing to me, it can all of the sudden be called hate speech because I am overweight.

Walston, I completely agree with you.  After reading today's board I came to some stark realizations. 

After reading and reflecting on some thoughts I do want to bring some thing back to peoples' attention.  In 1955 it was okay to call a black person a n----- in the south.  This was something that was common and said more frequently that it ever should have.  Do I see this a terrible time in American history?  Yes I do, I think it shows our immaturity as a nation and our disregard for our own people.  But I ask this question, why do we allow people of the same race to call each other the above mentioned slur?  Why do we listen to music that uses this language?  Why is wrong if a person yells that slur to a passer by, but that passer by says that to a horse of the same color, and it is accepted?  Do they not value themselves?  Did they forget about the people who started the change to make that type of language unacceptable in common tongue? 

I relate this type of behavior to the person who says that my vote does not count.  This is the person who forgot what the forefathers fought for during the Revolutionary War.  The ability to make our laws, elect own leaders, and do so with a popular vote. 

I think it is time that all step back and take a look within ourselves and think about what is really going on here.  Is this a board merely a bunch of talking heads of which some spell bad, some made outlandish comments, some are smug, some are chipper, and some are very insightful?  Or is this a board with people who actually think about what they put down regardless of if they spell it right.  Is this board filled with people who have a strong conviction in the statements that they make, or are they just knee jerk reactions to someone's lame attempt at humor? 

I am guilty of all of the above, as probably can be seen in my pervious post.  I try to speak my mind and try to make sure that all my statements are statements that I stand behind. 

[footballdaddy]

Klop, +k is a weak way to say how much I agree with your last posts!

[Mr. Ypsi]

Klop, good posts! +k  But your posts belie your agreement with Walston.

I despise that some African-Americans use the N word with each other (and I do NOT listen to such music), but to 'not allow' it would be far worse than the 'crime'.  I happen to agree with the basic premise that 'hate' crimes are an unfortunate over-reaction - I've noted very few 'love' crimes (whatever rapists' attorneys may argue).

But for WH to suggest that for gays "the term [faggot] actually applies" (and I knew what he was trying to say), then defend himself by comparing "fatty" to "faggot" - all I can say is that he doesn't live in the same country that I do.

Signed,
(the obese) Mr. Ypsi

[BTW, I had planned to amend my earlier post, softening it from "you are part of the problem" to "the wording of your post is ...", but decided against it after his later post and a PM.]

[footballdaddy]

The idea that there ae consideredre "good" slurs and "bad" slurs is what irritates me. While they are considered "OK", terms like fatty, midget, geek can cause as much personal pain as the N word or the F word can. But you won't get arrested for calling me or WH a fatty, while you will if you call a gay person the f word. Both are insensitive, but one is considered a much worse crime than the other. As a matter of fact, I could probably stand on a street corner in any city and yell "lardass" all day and all I would get is hoarse. But say the n word once and I'd get arrested. A slur is a slur, and shows insensitivity, if not hate, but you can insult certain groups more than others. It should be the same for all.

[doolittledog]

To lighten the mood just a little bit.  Here is a clip to remind people that a football game is never over until the clock hits zero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHkABO0VwCg

[Walston Hoover]

But for WH to suggest that for gays "the term [faggot] actually applies" (and I knew what he was trying to say), then defend himself by comparing "fatty" to "faggot" - all I can say is that he doesn't live in the same country that I do.

Why is one worse than another?

[Klopenhiemer]

The idea that there ae consideredre "good" slurs and "bad" slurs is what irritates me. While they are considered "OK", terms like fatty, midget, geek can cause as much personal pain as the N word or the F word can. But you won't get arrested for calling me or WH a fatty, while you will if you call a gay person the f word. Both are insensitive, but one is considered a much worse crime than the other. As a matter of fact, I could probably stand on a street corner in any city and yell "lardass" all day and all I would get is hoarse. But say the n word once and I'd get arrested. A slur is a slur, and shows insensitivity, if not hate, but you can insult certain groups more than others. It should be the same for all.

My wife's cousin lives out in SoCal.  She is a fitness guru and is always finding ways and talking about how to keep in shape.  As I am sure that all would assume she has a very strict diet that she follows.  She never eats fast food, never eats all that other thing that taste good!  Recently her family went out and saw her.  Since there are not Jack In The Box's in the midwest, all were fired up for a burger.  The family is not what you want to call dedicated to fitness, but its not a bunch of "lardasses" either. 

So by the end of the trip we made the decision that it was time to go divulge into that hamburger we were all wanting.  She came with us and as soon as we walked into the door it got ugly.  There was a very large man in front of us ordering a very large amount of food.  She started in on him under her breath.  Fat this and fat that, and heart attack this and heart attack that.  Finally she got a bit lounder and was told to keep her mouth shut.  Finally she did hit a level where people around us started to stare about wonder who the b---- was.  Im going to cut the story shot here. 

Is this a crime?  Stand in a Jack In The Box and throw out slurs at fat people?  Does this hurt feelings?  Did the people who she slured leave that day and feel less about themselves?  If any of the above are true, then isnt this as bad what Yordi did? 

[footballdaddy]

But for WH to suggest that for gays "the term [faggot] actually applies" (and I knew what he was trying to say), then defend himself by comparing "fatty" to "faggot" - all I can say is that he doesn't live in the same country that I do.

Why is one worse than another?

My point exactly.

[Purple Heys]

To me, the problem, folks, is that lawyers have gotten involved...

Sometime way back when; it was determined that someone was harmed enough that they should be compensated monetarily for pain and suffering.

This is not to say that that person or any other was not actualy harmed, simply that from a legal standpoint, money was there to be made.

Billable hours could be rung up, percentages of the judgement could be collected.  A new revenue stream.

What followed from there was categorizing how many different ways this revenue stream could be applied.  Political interest groups have agendas and they have lawyers.  Somewhere along the way the line gets crossed from a civil action to a criminal action.

Now, I don't claim to know ANYTHING about the Yordi issue, other than what I read.  But to me the circumstances just seem to me to wreak of all this politicizing and opportunism to the issue of harassment.

The kid that did the yelling did something stupid.
The kid that got yelled at didn't deserve it.
It needs to stop.  An apology, community service, a fine...justified.  Jail time? ridiculous.

It's a more a matter of common decency.  We all could use a bigger dose of that.

There are those that would have you believe that the "social injustice" expererienced by the Gay community is relatable to the real social injustice suffered by Afican Americans in this country.  It's sad that anyone would entertain such a thought.  Gays have no idea the amount of suffering endured by African Americans.  To me that almost a criminal insult.

Off my soapbox now...

Lawyers out there will have a field day with my "ignorance".

[Purple Heys]

FOOTBALL!

Yet another D3 coach going up in ranks.

Is this the new stepping stone?  Helm a D3 program, get up to the next level?

I shoulda stuck with it back in the 80's and maybe that woulda been me instead of Coughlin facing off against (former D3) Belicheat.

[Purple Heys]

BTW, Brian Billick went to my High School a couple of years ahead me...not that that means a hill of beans...just another footnote of Heys History.

[coocooforcoekohawk]

To me, the problem, folks, is that lawyers have gotten involved...

Lawyers out there will have a field day with my "ignorance".

"First thing we have to do is kill all the lawyers."
-William Shakespeare

[DBQ1965]

And straights have no idea the amount of suffering endured by the GLBT folk.  Social injustice is social injustice ... whatever the or whoever the target.

[Klopenhiemer]

There are those that would have you believe that the "social injustice" expererienced by the Gay community is relatable to the real social injustice suffered by Afican Americans in this country.  It's sad that anyone would entertain such a thought.  Gays have no idea the amount of suffering endured by African Americans.  To me that almost a criminal insult.

I guess you haven't heard about this...

Slain Teen Remembered As Fun, Quirky At Rainbow Alliance Candlelight Vigil

To me, the problem, folks, is that lawyers have gotten involved...

Lawyers out there will have a field day with my "ignorance".

"First thing we have to do is kill all the lawyers." --William Shakespeare

So what's your noble, benevolent contributions to society, Mother Teresa(s)?

OxyBob

Whats your contribution to society Bob?

[Thunderbolt]

 It has provoked a lot of thoughtful input, which isn't a bad thing. If no charges had been brought, or there was a guilty plea, none of that would have happened.