FB: American Rivers Conference

[Klopenhiemer]

Isn't Briar Cliff's football program relatively new (and small in comparison?) I know that Northwestern has a thriving football program in Orange City. According to their website, they make a playoff run every few years or so.

Are any of these colleges (Northwestern, Dort, Briar Cliff, etc.) really recruiting threats to BV (or anyone else)? In looking at the colleges themselves, they seem to recruit a different sort of student athlete.... That feels like saying that Graceland competes with Central for recruits because of their geographic proximity. I could be wrong, but I just don't see it happening a lot.

All of these schools are threats to BV.  I had a couple close friends whom I played with at BV strongly consider Briar Cliff.  The reason they ultimatly did not choose to go to Brair Cliff is that they did not offer the major they wanted. 

Brair Cliff is a newer program, and Dort is a very new program.  The problem that BV faces with the NAIA's in that area is that they offer need based scholorships.  They can throw a lot of money at a kid to compete with a financial aid package from BV.  Also Brair Cliff has seen some recent success.  I believe they went from winning no games to 5 games in a matter of two season.  I think this says a lot for the level of competition they are playing, but sometimes kids do not see this. 

Northwestern is always a threat.  As BOY stated, some of the kids who were strongly considering BV opted to go play at Nothwestern this upcoming year, I should also add that they are choosing to get their education there as well. 

These schools are much more of a threat to BV than Central for obvious reasons.  Central has a strong tradion of winning year in and year out.  Saying Central competes with Graceland for recruits is like saying Central competes with Billy Penn.   Sure they will get some away, but did you want them in the first place? 

BV being a perenial middle of the road team has to compete against other middle of the road teams.  Now throw into the equation the recent success that Morningside has had, and the strong tradition Norwestern has, and you can see how this gets a bit murky. 

Another thing to take a look at is the kids who signed with Wayne State, SW MN State, and Mankato.  There were a lot of NW IA kids that went to these schools over BV or the other NAIA schools in the area.  For BV to climb to the top of the IIAC they need to show the kid who is going to take a small scholorship from a d2  school that their financial aid package is equal, and they have a better chance to play, rather than take a number and head to the scout team.

That was my entire point.

I have a couple of friends that went to Briar Cliff. According to them, football there is kind of a joke to the student body. To say the football players are not exactly respected is an understatement. The impression I had from them is that the entire conference is the same way, with a few notable exceptions.

I don't get why this would make recruiting difficult for BV. You can go to school and play powder puff for a team/school that may or may not care about the outcome; or you can attend BV who is always in it. The IIAC takes their football pretty seriously. If I were a player, I would prefer to play and have my wins matter for something.

Again, a lot of my opinions are based on the perceptions I've gotten from my friends over the years. To be honest, I don't pay much attention to the NAIA to begin with, so take my opinion for what it's worth.

Now you know why the coaches and players have a hernia every time they see a kid choose to go to these schools over BV.  Take a look at the rosters, they are loosing more kids than you think. 

[Walston Hoover]

Any word on a Coe coach?

Sounds like a former IIAC coach (who has been a former coach for just a few months) may be making a return trip to the IIAC, just moving a little bit further south.

[Klopenhiemer]

Any word on a Coe coach?

Sounds like a former IIAC coach (who has been a former coach for just a few months) may be making a return trip to the IIAC, just moving a little bit further south.

Hefty from Luther?

[doolittledog]

Any word on a Coe coach?

Sounds like a former IIAC coach (who has been a former coach for just a few months) may be making a return trip to the IIAC, just moving a little bit further south.

I love how you have sources EVERYWHERE!!!

[the_mayne_event]

he interviewed

[knightlife06]

I should also add a little more insight into the d2 scholorship process.  They will offer a kid a smaller amount of money to sign right away, their schools half the cost of a BV or Luther upfront.  So this makes you think that their is no way that BV or any other IIAC school could compete with this.  They also lure you with the fact that you can "negotiate" your scholorship.  All this means is that if you are a person who makes an impact right away, or works hard they will give you more money.  In all reality this never happens.  Many kids leave after their freshman year review because they did not get anymore money.  All they are doing is dividing full scholorships into pieces to spread them out. 

When you sit down and take a look at this, you can go to a school that costs twice as much, and actually come out of school with less debt.  But there is also that lure that you are getting "paid" to play.  That is a great play on emotions for a high school kid who dreams of getting that scholorship. 

In all reality it does not matter if you are on a full ride or paying you own way, you play because you love the game, and kids have the sift through that in the decsion making process. 

Klop,
  There definitely are ways a player can "negotiate" a scholarship at the D2 level and it happens frequently.  I will argue that very few kids leave after their freshmen year at D2 schools.  Most coaches will tell a recruit that if they earn more money on the playing field, they will receive it.  And, in most cases, it happens.  It's going to be tough to recruit in the Iowa Conference in the next few years because teams like NW Missouri, UN-Omaha, Winona State, Truman State, Wayne State, and SW Minnesota State are all recruiting the state very heavily. 

[Klopenhiemer]

I should also add a little more insight into the d2 scholorship process.  They will offer a kid a smaller amount of money to sign right away, their schools half the cost of a BV or Luther upfront.  So this makes you think that their is no way that BV or any other IIAC school could compete with this.  They also lure you with the fact that you can "negotiate" your scholorship.  All this means is that if you are a person who makes an impact right away, or works hard they will give you more money.  In all reality this never happens.  Many kids leave after their freshman year review because they did not get anymore money.  All they are doing is dividing full scholorships into pieces to spread them out. 

When you sit down and take a look at this, you can go to a school that costs twice as much, and actually come out of school with less debt.  But there is also that lure that you are getting "paid" to play.  That is a great play on emotions for a high school kid who dreams of getting that scholorship. 

In all reality it does not matter if you are on a full ride or paying you own way, you play because you love the game, and kids have the sift through that in the decsion making process. 

Klop,
  There definitely are ways a player can "negotiate" a scholarship at the D2 level and it happens frequently.  I will argue that very few kids leave after their freshmen year at D2 schools.  Most coaches will tell a recruit that if they earn more money on the playing field, they will receive it.  And, in most cases, it happens.   It's going to be tough to recruit in the Iowa Conference in the next few years because teams like NW Missouri, UN-Omaha, Winona State, Truman State, Wayne State, and SW Minnesota State are all recruiting the state very heavily. 

Knightlife.  I am speaking from experience.  I went to a d2 school and were told all of these things.  None of them came true.  This is the reason that I left.  I am not going to get into all the details as it is long and boreing.  I will say that 99% of the kids who signed at the school I did, NEVER received another dollar.  If they did receive any more money, it was in the form of a book waiver, or more work study.  I had two high school teammates go to other schools in the same conference, they left for the same reasons.  One went to BV with me, and one transfered to a NAIA. 

I will agree with you regarding the ability of the IIAC to recruit IA getting harder.  Take a look at d2football.com and read the press released from signing day.  There are a ton of IA kids heading to those schools. 

[Klopenhiemer]

he interviewed

This could be a VERY interesting twist. 

[the_mayne_event]

he interviewed

This could be a VERY interesting twist. 

but i can also tell you it won't be him

[doolittledog]

he interviewed

This could be a VERY interesting twist. 

but i can also tell you it won't be him

Anything else you can tell us?!?!

[knightlife06]

I should also add a little more insight into the d2 scholorship process.  They will offer a kid a smaller amount of money to sign right away, their schools half the cost of a BV or Luther upfront.  So this makes you think that their is no way that BV or any other IIAC school could compete with this.  They also lure you with the fact that you can "negotiate" your scholorship.  All this means is that if you are a person who makes an impact right away, or works hard they will give you more money.  In all reality this never happens.  Many kids leave after their freshman year review because they did not get anymore money.  All they are doing is dividing full scholorships into pieces to spread them out. 

When you sit down and take a look at this, you can go to a school that costs twice as much, and actually come out of school with less debt.  But there is also that lure that you are getting "paid" to play.  That is a great play on emotions for a high school kid who dreams of getting that scholorship. 

In all reality it does not matter if you are on a full ride or paying you own way, you play because you love the game, and kids have the sift through that in the decsion making process. 

Klop,
  There definitely are ways a player can "negotiate" a scholarship at the D2 level and it happens frequently.  I will argue that very few kids leave after their freshmen year at D2 schools.  Most coaches will tell a recruit that if they earn more money on the playing field, they will receive it.  And, in most cases, it happens.   It's going to be tough to recruit in the Iowa Conference in the next few years because teams like NW Missouri, UN-Omaha, Winona State, Truman State, Wayne State, and SW Minnesota State are all recruiting the state very heavily. 

Knightlife.  I am speaking from experience.  I went to a d2 school and were told all of these things.  None of them came true.  This is the reason that I left.  I am not going to get into all the details as it is long and boreing.  I will say that 99% of the kids who signed at the school I did, NEVER received another dollar.  If they did receive any more money, it was in the form of a book waiver, or more work study.  I had two high school teammates go to other schools in the same conference, they left for the same reasons.  One went to BV with me, and one transfered to a NAIA. 

I will agree with you regarding the ability of the IIAC to recruit IA getting harder.  Take a look at d2football.com and read the press released from signing day.  There are a ton of IA kids heading to those schools. 

Which school were you at?  That is not the case at most schools. 

[Klopenhiemer]

I should also add a little more insight into the d2 scholorship process.  They will offer a kid a smaller amount of money to sign right away, their schools half the cost of a BV or Luther upfront.  So this makes you think that their is no way that BV or any other IIAC school could compete with this.  They also lure you with the fact that you can "negotiate" your scholorship.  All this means is that if you are a person who makes an impact right away, or works hard they will give you more money.  In all reality this never happens.  Many kids leave after their freshman year review because they did not get anymore money.  All they are doing is dividing full scholorships into pieces to spread them out. 

When you sit down and take a look at this, you can go to a school that costs twice as much, and actually come out of school with less debt.  But there is also that lure that you are getting "paid" to play.  That is a great play on emotions for a high school kid who dreams of getting that scholorship. 

In all reality it does not matter if you are on a full ride or paying you own way, you play because you love the game, and kids have the sift through that in the decsion making process. 

Klop,
  There definitely are ways a player can "negotiate" a scholarship at the D2 level and it happens frequently.  I will argue that very few kids leave after their freshmen year at D2 schools.  Most coaches will tell a recruit that if they earn more money on the playing field, they will receive it.  And, in most cases, it happens.   It's going to be tough to recruit in the Iowa Conference in the next few years because teams like NW Missouri, UN-Omaha, Winona State, Truman State, Wayne State, and SW Minnesota State are all recruiting the state very heavily. 

Knightlife.  I am speaking from experience.  I went to a d2 school and were told all of these things.  None of them came true.  This is the reason that I left.  I am not going to get into all the details as it is long and boreing.  I will say that 99% of the kids who signed at the school I did, NEVER received another dollar.  If they did receive any more money, it was in the form of a book waiver, or more work study.  I had two high school teammates go to other schools in the same conference, they left for the same reasons.  One went to BV with me, and one transfered to a NAIA. 

I will agree with you regarding the ability of the IIAC to recruit IA getting harder.  Take a look at d2football.com and read the press released from signing day.  There are a ton of IA kids heading to those schools. 

Which school were you at?  That is not the case at most schools. 

Send me an email if you want talk about this more.  I will ask what experiences you have that lead you to believe that this is not the case at most schools?

[Confused77]

My sources say they interviewed 5 guys and all of them were very good candidates. I have a source very close to Hefty, that basically said if he did interview, it wasn't done CR.

[DutchFan2004]

Any word on a Coe coach?

Sounds like a former IIAC coach (who has been a former coach for just a few months) may be making a return trip to the IIAC, just moving a little bit further south.

See this is how Wartburg stays on top.  They have spies everywhere.  It is a conspiracy I tell you.   

[CoeNation]

Any word on a Coe coach?

Sounds like a former IIAC coach (who has been a former coach for just a few months) may be making a return trip to the IIAC, just moving a little bit further south.

See this is how Wartburg stays on top.  They have spies everywhere.  It is a conspiracy I tell you.   

Make that six.  Hefty is out.   We're down to Marv and Thurney

1 - Marv Levy
2- Bob Thurness
3 - Paul Hefty
4- Phiz Phillips
5- Glen Drawn
6 - DJ Leroy