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I don't know if I'd call it cheating, it's just a creative way to stay within the rules and trying to be competitive with the state schools in pricing.  I had a couple good talks about this at the recent football coaches clinic in Jefferson this weekend.  IIAC schools keep getting more and more expensive, but the Iowa Tuition Grant remains the same.  I would suggest more schools start to offer these leadership awards.
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The Show

Quote from: Klopenhiemer on March 09, 2008, 10:22:31 PM
This is the same faculty that let some moron publish "100 Years of Meatheads"  when BV was celebrating 100 years of football. 

Didn't hear about that one, someone needs beaten!  ;)
Sometimes You're the Windshield & Sometimes You're the Bug!

Klopenhiemer

Quote from: The Show on March 09, 2008, 10:25:03 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on March 09, 2008, 10:22:31 PM
This is the same faculty that let some moron publish "100 Years of Meatheads"  when BV was celebrating 100 years of football. 

Didn't hear about that one, someone needs beaten!  ;)

Yeah Osty along with the whole team when skitzo over that one.  I could not believe that Jamii Claiborne let that get published in The Tack.  It was an absolute disgrace to the university and all the guys who played for the program. 

I love how a few rowdy nights in the Pierce Basement give the whole football team the "meathead" wrap.  I guess the baseball, basketball, and wrestlers were all angles. 

On that note, I guess I never ever saw just a regular student get "wasted" and act like a moron either. ::)
"If Rome was built in a day, then we would have hired their contractor"

5 Words or Less

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Quote from: The Show on March 09, 2008, 10:24:02 PM
I don't know if I'd call it cheating, it's just a creative way to stay within the rules and trying to be competitive with the state schools in pricing.  I had a couple good talks about this at the recent football coaches clinic in Jefferson this weekend.  IIAC schools keep getting more and more expensive, but the Iowa Tuition Grant remains the same.  I would suggest more schools start to offer these leadership awards.

Doesn't that blur the line between D2/D3?

Klopenhiemer

Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 09, 2008, 10:42:13 PM
Quote from: The Show on March 09, 2008, 10:24:02 PM
I don't know if I'd call it cheating, it's just a creative way to stay within the rules and trying to be competitive with the state schools in pricing.  I had a couple good talks about this at the recent football coaches clinic in Jefferson this weekend.  IIAC schools keep getting more and more expensive, but the Iowa Tuition Grant remains the same.  I would suggest more schools start to offer these leadership awards.

Doen't that blur the line between D2/D3?

Isn't the line blurring with the implimentation of the spring practice?
"If Rome was built in a day, then we would have hired their contractor"

5 Words or Less

Quote from: Klopenhiemer on March 09, 2008, 10:44:29 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 09, 2008, 10:42:13 PM
Quote from: The Show on March 09, 2008, 10:24:02 PM
I don't know if I'd call it cheating, it's just a creative way to stay within the rules and trying to be competitive with the state schools in pricing.  I had a couple good talks about this at the recent football coaches clinic in Jefferson this weekend.  IIAC schools keep getting more and more expensive, but the Iowa Tuition Grant remains the same.  I would suggest more schools start to offer these leadership awards.

Doen't that blur the line between D2/D3?

Isn't the line blurring with the implimentation of the spring practice?

Perhaps why IIAC resisted implementation

Klopenhiemer

Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 09, 2008, 10:57:17 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on March 09, 2008, 10:44:29 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 09, 2008, 10:42:13 PM
Quote from: The Show on March 09, 2008, 10:24:02 PM
I don't know if I'd call it cheating, it's just a creative way to stay within the rules and trying to be competitive with the state schools in pricing.  I had a couple good talks about this at the recent football coaches clinic in Jefferson this weekend.  IIAC schools keep getting more and more expensive, but the Iowa Tuition Grant remains the same.  I would suggest more schools start to offer these leadership awards.

Doen't that blur the line between D2/D3?

Isn't the line blurring with the implimentation of the spring practice?

Perhaps why IIAC resisted implementation

Perhaps why IIAC instituations might be implimenting leadership scholorships. 
"If Rome was built in a day, then we would have hired their contractor"

Purple Heys

Here's where the lines really blur...

An ACL Tear in D1 is the same as in D2, D3 or NAIA.

Except that "Leadership Award" isn't going to provide D1 or D2 level relief.
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5 Words or Less

Quote from: Klopenhiemer on March 09, 2008, 10:22:31 PM

... That would get in the way of the facultys plan to "diversify" the campus.  Its a corn field in NW IA, your pushing a rope up hill trying to "diversify" it...

diversity = education = better life (hopefully)

1 in 9 black men age 20 to 34 are in prison
1 in 36 Hispanic men age 18 or older are in prison
1 in 100 women age 35 to 39 are in prison
1 in 106 white men age 18 or older are in prison
1 in 355 white women age 35 to 39 are in prison
Source: Time Magazine

BeaverOfYore

Quote from: Klopenhiemer on March 09, 2008, 10:32:25 PM
Quote from: The Show on March 09, 2008, 10:25:03 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on March 09, 2008, 10:22:31 PM
This is the same faculty that let some moron publish "100 Years of Meatheads"  when BV was celebrating 100 years of football. 

Didn't hear about that one, someone needs beaten!  ;)

Yeah Osty along with the whole team when skitzo over that one.  I could not believe that Jamii Claiborne let that get published in The Tack.  It was an absolute disgrace to the university and all the guys who played for the program. 

I love how a few rowdy nights in the Pierce Basement give the whole football team the "meathead" wrap.  I guess the baseball, basketball, and wrestlers were all angles. 

On that note, I guess I never ever saw just a regular student get "wasted" and act like a moron either. ::)

I'll be the first to admit that I earned my meathead reputation in college.  I got drunk, got in a few scuffles, and committed a few minor acts of vandalism during my years at BV.  Most of my friends were guilty of the same.  What's interesting is that on a campus where supposed meatheads make up about 10% of the student population, we never had any VEISHEA-type incidents or anything even close.  College-age males are all meatheads occasionally, and making a mess of the dorm hallways is pretty harmless compared to what goes on at a lot of bigger colleges and universities.
When it's 3rd and 10, you can take the milk drinkers, and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time.

BeaverOfYore

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Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 09, 2008, 11:10:07 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on March 09, 2008, 10:22:31 PM

... That would get in the way of the facultys plan to "diversify" the campus.  Its a corn field in NW IA, your pushing a rope up hill trying to "diversify" it...

diversity = education = better life (hopefully)

1 in 9 black men age 20 to 34 are in prison
1 in 36 Hispanic men age 18 or older are in prison
1 in 100 women age 35 to 39 are in prison
1 in 106 white men age 18 or older are in prison
1 in 355 white women age 35 to 39 are in prison
Source: Time Magazine


I agree that diversity is a good thing, but the way it's encouraged at BV is less than perfect.  Minority students at BV can get a full ride Multicultural Scholarship (tuition, room, and board) by simply being "a student of diverse background who shows promise as a leader."  No minimum ACT or high school GPA required.  Non-minority students must have a 29+ ACT and 3.85 GPA, and their scholarships (called the Trustee's Scholarship) don't cover room and board.  The Multicultural Scholarship can be given to an unlimited number of students, while the Trustee's is capped at 4 students per year.  Multicultural Scholars don't need to maintain any certain GPA, while Trustee Scholars must keep a 3.25.

The difference in standards creates a lot of resentment toward the minority students at a place where most of the students probably know few, if any, people of different ethnicities to begin with.  Add to that the fact that the Multicultural Club (a very active club for minority students), while well-intentioned, further isolates the minority students from the general student population and unintentionally discourages interracial interaction.  BV's efforts to embrace diversity have created more racists than they've cured, and that's the last thing that should be happening on a college campus.
When it's 3rd and 10, you can take the milk drinkers, and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time.

Klopenhiemer

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Quote from: BeaverOfYore on March 10, 2008, 12:37:08 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 09, 2008, 11:10:07 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on March 09, 2008, 10:22:31 PM

... That would get in the way of the facultys plan to "diversify" the campus.  Its a corn field in NW IA, your pushing a rope up hill trying to "diversify" it...

diversity = education = better life (hopefully)

1 in 9 black men age 20 to 34 are in prison
1 in 36 Hispanic men age 18 or older are in prison
1 in 100 women age 35 to 39 are in prison
1 in 106 white men age 18 or older are in prison
1 in 355 white women age 35 to 39 are in prison
Source: Time Magazine


I agree that diversity is a good thing, but the way it's encouraged at BV is less than perfect.  Minority students at BV can get a full ride Multicultural Scholarship (tuition, room, and board) by simply being "a student of diverse background who shows promise as a leader."  No minimum ACT or high school GPA required.  Non-minority students must have a 29+ ACT and 3.85 GPA, and their scholarships (called the Trustee's Scholarship) don't cover room and board.  The Multicultural Scholarship can be given to an unlimited number of students, while the Trustee's is capped at 4 students per year.  Multicultural Scholars don't need to maintain any certain GPA, while Trustee Scholars must keep a 3.25.

The difference in standards creates a lot of resentment toward the minority students at a place where most of the students probably know few, if any, people of different ethnicities to begin with.  Add to that the fact that the Multicultural Club (a very active club for minority students), while well-intentioned, further isolates the minority students from the general student population and unintentionally discourages interracial interaction.  BV's efforts to embrace diversity have created more racists than they've cured, and that's the last thing that should be happening on a college campus.

Excellent explanation.  I do not think I could have explained this that well. 

One of the biggest problems that I have with this is knowing what I know now.  After moving to Chicago, and traveling all the burbs for work, I now know where some of these students grew up. 

One student was from Wilmette, IL.  This a very exclusive community on the north shore, directly north of Chicago.  There are no poor people living in Wilmette, when the median housing price is in excess of $700,000(Single Family Home)!

Wilmette is the equivilent of West Des Moines on crack, so I have a hard time understanding how this dictates you you being from a diverse background. 

If you can afford that type of real estate, you can afford to pay for your childrens education, and if the parrents do not wish to pay, then they better have great grades, because its all coming out of pocket. 

Please do not excuse me a racist, I am narrow minded, but not racist.  I just have a hard time swallowing paying what I did, and seeing others go for free when they have had far more resources than I did. 
"If Rome was built in a day, then we would have hired their contractor"

DutchFan2004

Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 09, 2008, 11:10:07 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on March 09, 2008, 10:22:31 PM

... That would get in the way of the facultys plan to "diversify" the campus.  Its a corn field in NW IA, your pushing a rope up hill trying to "diversify" it...

diversity = education = better life (hopefully)

1 in 9 black men age 20 to 34 are in prison
1 in 36 Hispanic men age 18 or older are in prison
1 in 100 women age 35 to 39 are in prison
1 in 106 white men age 18 or older are in prison
1 in 355 white women age 35 to 39 are in prison
Source: Time Magazine



So are you saying that if they just go to college they won't be in prison?  In your dreams.  It is the choices people make that lead them down their path.  There were just two Iowa football players kicked off the team and got busted.  They were part of the diverse Iowa student population.  They still broke the law.  Was it their skin color or the choice they made?
Play with Passion  Coach Ron Schipper

TheOne89.1

Quote from: davedevine on March 08, 2008, 10:35:07 AM
89.1
are you located in Winona?  if so, did you catch Friday's SW MN's game? 

one of my best friends is the head asst. @ SWMN and they  lost to Northern st twice this year by a combined 6 pts

they're a bubble team for the ncaa tourney and had they won friday, that probably would have gotten them in



Dave,

I am located in Winona.  We covered the SMSU (that is the way they want us to abbreviate their name...they were very specific about that) vs Northern State game.  I wish the Mustangs could have went on to the final game, maybe they would have given Winona more fight then NSU did.

Knightlife06...maybe if you get stuck in the W-room next weekend you can bring down some of that free grub and drink as we may be covering all four games on Saturday.
"If God had wanted man to play soccer, He wouldn't have given us arms" -MIKE DITKA

sportsknight

Quote from: DutchFan2004 on March 10, 2008, 09:32:42 AM
It is the choices people make that lead them down their path. 

This is a fair point, but you also have to keep in mind that there are some people in this world that have far fewer choices available to them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending people that break the law.  But when given the choice between knocking off a liquor store and starving, I'm going into that liquor store.  When my only options left are seeing my family kicked out of our home or selling some weed and coke, I'll be the guy on the street corner with the paper bag in his hand.  Is that an ideal life to lead?  Hell no.  But sometimes it is better than the alternative.
"Graduating from college in four years is like leaving a party at 10:30." - Chuck Klosterman