FB: American Rivers Conference

[DutchFan2004]

DF2004, Mark Issacson, Shad Flynn and the Vander Lindens were all after my day..... great guys, though.

I thought you were much younger than the Vander Lindens they played in the 70's putting them at about my age.  

[dutchfan1]

DF2004, Mark Issacson, Shad Flynn and the Vander Lindens were all after my day..... great guys, though.

I thought you were much younger than the Vander Lindens they played in the 70's putting them at about my age.  

I was at Central 1996-2000. I'm sure I should be, but I'm not familiar with the Vander Linden brothers. 

[doolittledog]

Here is a video of Dubuque and Wartburg football players staying in shape during the offseason by running track...the 4x100 relay at La Crosse... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpRCWOXkAjA&feature=related

[Walston Hoover]

11 - The number of players on each side of the ball, 18 on some Saturdays on the opponents side it feels like, with 7 players wearing stripes

11 - Conference titles in football for Luther...ranking them 3rd in the IIAC, the highest anyone's mentioned them in IIAC football in quite some time.

11 - Pounds of meat Hey's Jr and his GIRLfriend ate per day while visiting the Purple Heys household. 
<Friendly smack talk>

I fixed your post to make more sense.

[New Storm]

I hear Wartburg may have a new signal-caller next year. Anyone have any info?

Haven't heard anything and I usually catch wind of something like that. I assume you are implying that Yordi is gone?
Not saying you're wrong, just saying I haven't heard anything.

Also wasn't his court case dropped ?

[DutchFan2004]

I hear Wartburg may have a new signal-caller next year. Anyone have any info?

Haven't heard anything and I usually catch wind of something like that. I assume you are implying that Yordi is gone?
Not saying you're wrong, just saying I haven't heard anything.

I don't think dropped is correct.  SK wasn't it tried and the magistrate found that it was a stupid thing to do but no crime had been commited?  That is my understanding.
Also wasn't his court case dropped ?

[Floyd in Iowa City]

11 - Conference titles in football for Luther...ranking them 3rd in the IIAC, the highest anyone's mentioned them in IIAC football in quite some time.

I fixed your post to make more sense.

Thanks for pointing that out Walston!  The Norse have been top five or better in the league in 4 of the last 5 years, but I agree with what you are saying.

I am not optimistic about that potentially changing very soon, or not as much as I was around 2003-2005.

[Walston Hoover]

Things are pretty quiet coming out of camp Norsemen. Any idea what sort of similarities/differences the new coach will have to Hefty?
As someone who has several Luther alums in his bloodlines, I am well aware of Luther's rich football, and athletics for that matter, history. I don't know what tuition is there right now, but know that it has traditionally high compared to the rest of the IIAC. Is it possible that tuition is part of the reason for a mediocre football team and pretty bad BBall team in the 21st Century?

11 - Conference titles in football for Luther...ranking them 3rd in the IIAC, the highest anyone's mentioned them in IIAC football in quite some time.

I fixed your post to make more sense.

Thanks for pointing that out Walston!  The Norse have been top five or better in the league in 4 of the last 5 years, but I agree with what you are saying.

I am not optimistic about that potentially changing very soon, or not as much as I was around 2003-2005.

[doolittledog]

Things are pretty quiet coming out of camp Norsemen. Any idea what sort of similarities/differences the new coach will have to Hefty?
As someone who has several Luther alums in his bloodlines, I am well aware of Luther's rich football, and athletics for that matter, history. I don't know what tuition is there right now, but know that it has traditionally high compared to the rest of the IIAC. Is it possible that tuition is part of the reason for a mediocre football team and pretty bad BBall team in the 21st Century?

11 - Conference titles in football for Luther...ranking them 3rd in the IIAC, the highest anyone's mentioned them in IIAC football in quite some time.

I fixed your post to make more sense.

Thanks for pointing that out Walston!  The Norse have been top five or better in the league in 4 of the last 5 years, but I agree with what you are saying.

I am not optimistic about that potentially changing very soon, or not as much as I was around 2003-2005.

From US News 2008 College guide.

Tuition + Room & Board

Buena Vista - 30,554
Central - 30,134
Coe College - 32,990
Cornell - 33,250...Purple Heys shakes his head in disgust
Dubuque - 25,700...great bargain 
Loras - 29,730...1 of 2 IIAC schools under 30k
Luther - 33,500...most expensive in the IIAC by 250 bucks
Simpson - 30,250
Wartburg - 31,285

All schools are pretty close tuition wise...would be interesting to see average finanial aid.  I saw once that most schools were in the 17K - 19K range for average finantial aid but I can't find that link right now. 

[5 Words or Less]

11 - Tyler Sherden's shoe size

Am I the only one that thinks its a little creepy that 5 Words knows this fact?

Just an educated guess ... intended - "big shoes to fill"

[dutchfan1]

Things are pretty quiet coming out of camp Norsemen. Any idea what sort of similarities/differences the new coach will have to Hefty?
As someone who has several Luther alums in his bloodlines, I am well aware of Luther's rich football, and athletics for that matter, history. I don't know what tuition is there right now, but know that it has traditionally high compared to the rest of the IIAC. Is it possible that tuition is part of the reason for a mediocre football team and pretty bad BBall team in the 21st Century?

11 - Conference titles in football for Luther...ranking them 3rd in the IIAC, the highest anyone's mentioned them in IIAC football in quite some time.

I fixed your post to make more sense.

Thanks for pointing that out Walston!  The Norse have been top five or better in the league in 4 of the last 5 years, but I agree with what you are saying.

I am not optimistic about that potentially changing very soon, or not as much as I was around 2003-2005.

From US News 2008 College guide.

Tuition + Room & Board

Buena Vista - 30,554
Central - 30,134
Coe College - 32,990
Cornell - 33,250...Purple Heys shakes his head in disgust
Dubuque - 25,700...great bargain 
Loras - 29,730...1 of 2 IIAC schools under 30k
Luther - 33,500...most expensive in the IIAC by 250 bucks
Simpson - 30,250
Wartburg - 31,285

All schools are pretty close tuition wise...would be interesting to see average finanial aid.  I saw once that most schools were in the 17K - 19K range for average finantial aid but I can't find that link right now. 

When I started in 1996, Central was around $16K annually. 12 Years later the costs have almost doubled? Wow -- I'm wondering if college loan repayment crisis will be next, a la the mortgage crisis that we are going through now. How long before colleges outprice themselves?

[Floyd in Iowa City]

Things are pretty quiet coming out of camp Norsemen. Any idea what sort of similarities/differences the new coach will have to Hefty?
As someone who has several Luther alums in his bloodlines, I am well aware of Luther's rich football, and athletics for that matter, history. I don't know what tuition is there right now, but know that it has traditionally high compared to the rest of the IIAC. Is it possible that tuition is part of the reason for a mediocre football team and pretty bad BBall team in the 21st Century?

11 - Conference titles in football for Luther...ranking them 3rd in the IIAC, the highest anyone's mentioned them in IIAC football in quite some time.

I fixed your post to make more sense.

Thanks for pointing that out Walston!  The Norse have been top five or better in the league in 4 of the last 5 years, but I agree with what you are saying.

I am not optimistic about that potentially changing very soon, or not as much as I was around 2003-2005.

Spring football starts today in Decorah with max lifts and the first outdoor practice I believe is on Friday.  I have been following college baseball and wrestling (Go Hawks! ) while somewhat following the latest legal problems with the Iowa Football team  .  Luther will clearly have more proven RBs in spring practice than Iowa will.  The Iowa offensive skill player situation is scary in that positions either lack depth or experience (RB), or even where they return experience there are many questions (health and consistentcy at WR, huge questions about QB).

Depth at OL, the QB situation, new schemes, and new LBs are among the big questions going into Norse spring football.  The OL should be solid if people progress and stay healthy, at the very least one of the QBs has some talent but will be young and inexperienced next fall, but I have no clue right now about the coaching staff situation once the school year ends.  I probably will know some more in a few weeks.

Hefty is gone as HC and OC, and Naslund (former head coach from 1978-1995) also retired from coaching LBs.  Those is the only "official" staff shakeups that I can remember.  I would like some new blood at a couple of other spots, but I haven't heard anything official.

The DL on paper looks to be by far the deepest and most experienced group.  The talent of the top 3-4 is pretty good as well.

One QB that is in the running for the starting job pitches on the baseball team while one of the OL guys plays 1B.

[doolittledog]

Things are pretty quiet coming out of camp Norsemen. Any idea what sort of similarities/differences the new coach will have to Hefty?
As someone who has several Luther alums in his bloodlines, I am well aware of Luther's rich football, and athletics for that matter, history. I don't know what tuition is there right now, but know that it has traditionally high compared to the rest of the IIAC. Is it possible that tuition is part of the reason for a mediocre football team and pretty bad BBall team in the 21st Century?

Here is a question.  With both Luther and Wartburg being Lutheran Colleges and both located in NE Iowa.  Has Wartburg started taking the Lutheran population away from Luther???  Luther has 11 conference titles in football but none since 1978...and they won 3 titles in the 1970's.  Wartburg has 10 conference titles in football with 7 of those 10 coming since the 1980's.  It seems like those two schools traded places in the conference pecking order. 

[Floyd in Iowa City]

Things are pretty quiet coming out of camp Norsemen. Any idea what sort of similarities/differences the new coach will have to Hefty?
As someone who has several Luther alums in his bloodlines, I am well aware of Luther's rich football, and athletics for that matter, history. I don't know what tuition is there right now, but know that it has traditionally high compared to the rest of the IIAC. Is it possible that tuition is part of the reason for a mediocre football team and pretty bad BBall team in the 21st Century?

Here is a question.  With both Luther and Wartburg being Lutheran Colleges and both located in NE Iowa.  Has Wartburg started taking the Lutheran population away from Luther???  Luther has 11 conference titles in football but none since 1978...and they won 3 titles in the 1970's.  Wartburg has 10 conference titles in football with 7 of those 10 coming since the 1980's.  It seems like those two schools traded places in the conference pecking order. 

It must make a difference since both schools are Lutheran and both are in NE Iowa (especially the location for the NE Iowa kids).  I don't have a feel anymore for how many kids pick a Lutheran college because they are Lutheran.  I know lots of kids that went to Catholic high schools end up at Catholic colleges, but overall I wonder how much religion matters with how kids pick where they are going to college.

Wartburg seems to get more following from the Waterloo Courier than it used to get, and the same can be said for the UNI Panthers.  I think lots of newspapers are moving more towards covering the local area and reducing costs by spending less time covering the state or larger regions.  Wartburg has also been winning a ton, which also gets the Courier to consistently cover them.

It was changing somewhat a few years ago in football and baseball, but I thought there was a time in the 1990s when Wartburg was clearly cleaning up in the recruitment of NE kids (regardless of religion) and schools like Central and Luther were not getting as many NE Iowa kids as they used to.  Luther has always recruited Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Illinois to a lesser extent, but they clearly were not getting as many kids from places like New Hampton, Charles City, and Independence as they used to.  There was also a time when too many good Decorah high school baseball players were many times going to other IIAC schools (which is a sign about what people thought about how far the baseball program dropped).

Recruiting budgets, coaching salaries, success, etc.  I would love to see some real detailed numbers as it relates to IIAC athletics.

There are a lot of Luther alums who recognize that the Norse athletic department drifted under certain coaches and certain administrators at times in the 1980s and 1990s while schools like Simpson and Wartburg stepped up around the time I finished high school.  I don't think this stuff just happened overnight.  Luther knew the bar was getting raised when Wartburg started to spend more on coaches and athletic recruiting budgets, but some in the Luther community I think didn't care enough and just decided to fall back on how good of school and music tradition there is in Decorah.

There was a great athletic tradition in Decorah as well.  It is not dead, but it isn't overall what it used to be.

[ramfan27]

As far as finacial aid help goes, I can say that when I was coming out of high school I applied for aid at three schools, Cornell, Simpson, and Central.  When the preliminary packages came out they were all very similar, I think Central was the highest and Cornell was the lowest but they were separated by no more than a few hundred dollars if I remember right.  Cornell also told me it I took the ACT's again and could get 1 point higher they would bump my scholarship up another $2,500 a year.  So I did and actually got two points higher, I was really most interested in Cornell so I didn't ask or mention anything about a highter ACT score to the other two schools.