FB: American Rivers Conference

[New Storm]

I know that the kid from Marshalltown had Central's interest.  I get the impression (and no one came out and said this) but I think he wanted a scholarship.  From what I know he was the real deal and a good QB.  I think kids get it in their heads that if they don't get an athletic scholarship they aren't playing.  So for those kids they are not going to look at d3 schools they want the "paycheck" so to speak. 

Edit:

That is their right to do also.  It is a shame that the whole division is looked down upon.  I am sure that MUC even has to fight that as well.

He got a schlorship fro SoutWesterm Minnesota State in MArshall Minn. its a DII school

[Pat Coleman]

I know that the kid from Marshalltown had Central's interest.  I get the impression (and no one came out and said this) but I think he wanted a scholarship.  From what I know he was the real deal and a good QB.  I think kids get it in their heads that if they don't get an athletic scholarship they aren't playing.  So for those kids they are not going to look at d3 schools they want the "paycheck" so to speak. 

Sounds like a future transfer candidate.

[TheOne89.1]

I had the same numbers as Doolittle for UIU.

Here is what I have for Billy Penn:

8 - Baseball
6 - Women's Basketball (the first six years of IIAC Women's Basketball)
4 - Football
4 - Men's Basketball
2 - Women's Golf
2 - Volleyball
1 - Women's Soccer

27 Total team IIAC titles for Billy Penn.  Dubuque wins again!

William Penn did a great job recruiting (via sports camps) in the early years of women's sports in the IIAC.  They and Upper Iowa also did a great job of bringing in baseball players from warm climate areas inside and outside of the United States who had never seen the campus at either school.

Those Spartan fans are not used to hearing that phrase repeated much!

JK folks a little light humor to brighten everyones mood on a gloomy Tuesday...still three more days til the weekend.

[footballdaddy]

I know that the kid from Marshalltown had Central's interest.  I get the impression (and no one came out and said this) but I think he wanted a scholarship.  From what I know he was the real deal and a good QB.  I think kids get it in their heads that if they don't get an athletic scholarship they aren't playing.  So for those kids they are not going to look at d3 schools they want the "paycheck" so to speak. 

Edit:

That is their right to do also.  It is a shame that the whole division is looked down upon.  I am sure that MUC even has to fight that as well.

He got a schlorship fro SoutWesterm Minnesota State in MArshall Minn. its a DII school

If there kids would look hard enough to see what the final costs are, they would see that it really doesn't cost a lot more to go D3. They get hung up on that $1000 a year "athletic scholarship" that they don't look at the bottom line for total costs. For instance, how much does it cost to go to Iowa or Iowa State for 5 to 5 1/2 years to get a degree vs. 4 years at an Iowa college?

[DutchFan2004]

I know that the kid from Marshalltown had Central's interest.  I get the impression (and no one came out and said this) but I think he wanted a scholarship.  From what I know he was the real deal and a good QB.  I think kids get it in their heads that if they don't get an athletic scholarship they aren't playing.  So for those kids they are not going to look at d3 schools they want the "paycheck" so to speak. 

Edit:

That is their right to do also.  It is a shame that the whole division is looked down upon.  I am sure that MUC even has to fight that as well.

He got a scholarship from Southwestern Minnesota State in Marshall Minn. its a DII school

Yes I knew that he did.  Sorry that was my point.  He got the athletic scholarship rather than getting financial aid from a D3 school.  I am sure that any one of the IIAC schools would have loved to have him on their team. 

[DutchFan2004]

I know that the kid from Marshalltown had Central's interest.  I get the impression (and no one came out and said this) but I think he wanted a scholarship.  From what I know he was the real deal and a good QB.  I think kids get it in their heads that if they don't get an athletic scholarship they aren't playing.  So for those kids they are not going to look at d3 schools they want the "paycheck" so to speak. 

Edit:

That is their right to do also.  It is a shame that the whole division is looked down upon.  I am sure that MUC even has to fight that as well.

He got a schlorship fro SoutWesterm Minnesota State in MArshall Minn. its a DII school

If there kids would look hard enough to see what the final costs are, they would see that it really doesn't cost a lot more to go D3. They get hung up on that $1000 a year "athletic scholarship" that they don't look at the bottom line for total costs. For instance, how much does it cost to go to Iowa or Iowa State for 5 to 5 1/2 years to get a degree vs. 4 years at an Iowa college?

Great point.  I think that the cost of a 4 year degree from an IIAC school is approximately the same as a five year plan from an in state school.  With no financial aid from a state school it was almost a wash for my sons to attend Wartburg and Central.  Both got through in four years and both are now in grad and medical school.  There is a real value in getting through in four years IMHO. 

[knightlife06]

I know that the kid from Marshalltown had Central's interest.  I get the impression (and no one came out and said this) but I think he wanted a scholarship.  From what I know he was the real deal and a good QB.  I think kids get it in their heads that if they don't get an athletic scholarship they aren't playing.  So for those kids they are not going to look at d3 schools they want the "paycheck" so to speak. 

Edit:

That is their right to do also.  It is a shame that the whole division is looked down upon.  I am sure that MUC even has to fight that as well.

He got a schlorship fro SoutWesterm Minnesota State in MArshall Minn. its a DII school

If there kids would look hard enough to see what the final costs are, they would see that it really doesn't cost a lot more to go D3. They get hung up on that $1000 a year "athletic scholarship" that they don't look at the bottom line for total costs. For instance, how much does it cost to go to Iowa or Iowa State for 5 to 5 1/2 years to get a degree vs. 4 years at an Iowa college?

Great point.  I think that the cost of a 4 year degree from an IIAC school is approximately the same as a five year plan from an in state school.  With no financial aid from a state school it was almost a wash for my sons to attend Wartburg and Central.  Both got through in four years and both are now in grad and medical school.  There is a real value in getting through in four years IMHO. 

It would have been rediculous for the kid to NOT take the scholarship to Southwest.  They are giving him quite a bit of money and I'm pretty confident they were not his only offer (plus his brother goes there).  A kid wants to go to a school where he is wanted at the highest level possible and he did just that, I don't think we can fault him for that.  A scholarship from a D2 school is a big deal because it is money, something he won't need to pay back in the future.  Most D2 kids get done with school in 4 1/2 years (obviously there are exceptions) so there is a difference financially. 

[footballdaddy]

I'm not preteding to know how much money he got, but a lot of kids I know of,and ganted they are good but not great, have only received relatively small amounts of asstance to D2 and NAIA schools. They were called athletic scholarships, but were far less than what someone in the top 25% of their class gets as a Wartburg Presidential scholar.

I agree that if he got a ride, full tuition or something like that, then he made a good decision. If he got a couple of thousand a year, he might have done as well in the IIAC.

In a related note, I was with my daughter last Friday at Wartburg for a visit. During our group meeting with our admissions counselor, there was a young an there with is girlfrfiend. He asked if Wartburg gave athletic scholarships. When the counselor said that the NCAA does not alloow D3 to give athletic scholarships, the kid just shut down and didn't listen to another word. He paid no attention to any fiancial aid or academic scholarship information. I think this is another case of making up your mind before you hear the whole story. 

[Klopenhiemer]

I'm not preteding to know how much money he got, but a lot of kids I know of,and ganted they are good but not great, have only received relatively small amounts of asstance to D2 and NAIA schools. They were called athletic scholarships, but were far less than what someone in the top 25% of their class gets as a Wartburg Presidential scholar.

I agree that if he got a ride, full tuition or something like that, then he made a good decision. If he got a couple of thousand a year, he might have done as well in the IIAC.

In a related note, I was with my daughter last Friday at Wartburg for a visit. During our group meeting with our admissions counselor, there was a young an there with is girlfrfiend. He asked if Wartburg gave athletic scholarships. When the counselor said that the NCAA does not alloow D3 to give athletic scholarships, the kid just shut down and didn't listen to another word. He paid no attention to any fiancial aid or academic scholarship information. I think this is another case of making up your mind before you hear the whole story. 

I went to a d2 school in the NSIC for year.  Transfered out due to many factors, the biggest being my parrents had a hard time making the trek to all over the state of MN to see us play.  They always saw me play growing up, so I went to BV. 

When I enrolled at SW MN State with the football money, the federal aid I received, and the little money for my decent grades, I went there for $3,000.00.  I would have made it in 4.5 years.  So that is $13,500 total debt upon graduation. 

When I enrolled at BV, my out of pocket increased to $8,500 per year.  I went to BV for 3 years and graduated on time even with a transfer.  I was going to extened my time and play out my remaining year. But a career ending injury, and the cost of another year made me pick up the extra credits and get out on time. 

It has been said on here many times that if kids just gave the IIAC a chance to run the numbers then they might see how affordable it is.  It has also been said that the small scholorship is no comparison to what the kid will get from an IIAC school. 

But remember that D2 does follow the same rules as the higher level and does have a national signing day in the first part of Feburary.  Most parrents have not even started thinking about getting their taxes does in order to file the FAFSA in Jan.

My point is that if there is money on the table and a decision has to be made its hard to sit around and ask the school to wait until a d3 school can process a financial aid package for comparison purposes.  Kids are impulsive and if the deal is seems sweet, they will bite.  Logic is sometimes thrown out the window when you are dealing with 18 year olds, a al why kids have the ability to transfer. 

I have also heard of d3 schools have issues closing deals because finanacial aid packages were processing slowly and were not hitting the streets till March or April.  By that time the scholorship would be long gone and given to another kid. 

[The Show]

35-  Season record for TD passes 2007

While we're still on 35...

#35, The Show's jersey # at BV.

[The Show]

The 400 meter track duel between Suckow and Tyler Sherden @ the conference meet DIDN'T take place in the finals, both qualified for the finals but according to LC web-site Sherden  "did not compete in the finals due to a hamstring injury." Sherden did have faster qualifying time. Both are short in getting times for national meet.

Speaking of the conference meet, a delayed congrats to BV's 4x100 for claiming the conference title.  The younger Show was a member of that squad.  Also, BV's Bertelsen was named the Men's Most Valuable Performer at the Championships.

[Walston Hoover]

If I recall correctly, #36 would bring us to the one and only Dave Devine.

[DutchFan2004]

I know that the kid from Marshalltown had Central's interest.  I get the impression (and no one came out and said this) but I think he wanted a scholarship.  From what I know he was the real deal and a good QB.  I think kids get it in their heads that if they don't get an athletic scholarship they aren't playing.  So for those kids they are not going to look at d3 schools they want the "paycheck" so to speak. 

Edit:

That is their right to do also.  It is a shame that the whole division is looked down upon.  I am sure that MUC even has to fight that as well.

He got a schlorship fro SoutWesterm Minnesota State in MArshall Minn. its a DII school

If there kids would look hard enough to see what the final costs are, they would see that it really doesn't cost a lot more to go D3. They get hung up on that $1000 a year "athletic scholarship" that they don't look at the bottom line for total costs. For instance, how much does it cost to go to Iowa or Iowa State for 5 to 5 1/2 years to get a degree vs. 4 years at an Iowa college?

Great point.  I think that the cost of a 4 year degree from an IIAC school is approximately the same as a five year plan from an in state school.  With no financial aid from a state school it was almost a wash for my sons to attend Wartburg and Central.  Both got through in four years and both are now in grad and medical school.  There is a real value in getting through in four years IMHO. 

It would have been rediculous for the kid to NOT take the scholarship to Southwest.  They are giving him quite a bit of money and I'm pretty confident they were not his only offer (plus his brother goes there).  A kid wants to go to a school where he is wanted at the highest level possible and he did just that, I don't think we can fault him for that.  A scholarship from a D2 school is a big deal because it is money, something he won't need to pay back in the future.  Most D2 kids get done with school in 4 1/2 years (obviously there are exceptions) so there is a difference financially. 

I did not directly or indirectly imply that he made a bad decision.  Only he knows for himself what the correct decision is.  My point is that FA is as good or better in some instances in the IIAC.  There are more things that go into a decision than FA.  His family being there is certainly one of them.  I hope it works out for him I really do.  From all I know about him he is a great athlete and wish him nothing but the best. 

[doolittledog]

Just so we get all the conference schools.  I come up with 79 for Simpson.  And it appears their womens teams have been more successfull than the mens.

12 - Football
10 - mens outdoor track
9 - womens golf
7 - Volleyball
7 - womens basketball
6 - baseball
6 - softball
5 - mens basketball
5 - womens outdoor track
4 - womens cross country
3 - mens golf
2 - womens soccer
1 - mens cross country
1 - mens soccer
1 - wrestling

[doolittledog]

School totals...

200 - Luther
152 - Central
137 - Wartburg
79 - Simpson
54 - Buena Vista
40 - Loras
35 - Dubuque
30 - Upper Iowa
27 - William Penn