FB: American Rivers Conference

[Ash Park]

Is the Bush kid for sure coming back?

I'd say yes until it is proven otherwise when camp starts.

[Ash Park]

Cornell has been primarily out-of-staters for years. That's the makeup of the whole school. That's just their market.

Walston you are correct. They have had a large number of out of staters for a long time. In the 80s there was a large number of Florida kids and now there are many Colorado kids. As far as the whole school goes it is the same thing as Walston was saying....many kids from all over.

I know for football they have tried recruiting Iowa kids but they always end up going to another IIAC school. Some of it is because of the lack of success some of it is because of the admission standards....not that Cornell is so much more above every other school in the conference but they will have a quite a few kids a year that will be wanting to go Cornell but they have to go through all these admission interviews which takes them into April and May sometimes and by then they are already accepted into a Wartburg, Simpson, Loras, Central or Coe that they are fed up with having to wait on Cornell so they choose another school.(Does that make sense?) I think Dillon realizes that is just the way it is going to be there and they have to really reach to the out of staters and get what they can here in Iowa. Hopefully if they get a couple kids from a certain school or part of the state and start showing some success that will draw some more Iowans and they can build up a base but I think they will always have to get a large number of out of staters.

[dutchfan1]

Does Cornell still do the one course at a time study? I would think that would cater to a unique type of student. Not everyone would excel in that environment -- I wouldn't. (I never considered Cornell for that reason. I had some really good friends that went there and loved it.) I've always thought of Cornell as more academically riggorous school. It's cool that it takes a different approach, but I wonder if this doesn't affect recruiting practices....

[Walston Hoover]

Does Cornell still do the one course at a time study? I would think that would cater to a unique type of student. Not everyone would excel in that environment -- I wouldn't. (I never considered Cornell for that reason. I had some really good friends that went there and loved it.) I've always thought of Cornell as more academically riggorous school. It's cool that it takes a different approach, but I wonder if this doesn't affect recruiting practices....

No way does the academic schedule change to  help football. It may hurt football right now, but its not going anywhere.  Does Cornell still not allow recruitment of athletes off-campus. That is technically college athletics in its purest form-building your team from guys who are already on campus.

[Purple Heys]

Is the Bush kid for sure coming back?

I have no direct knowledge, but I think the chances are far better yes than no.
 

[Purple Heys]

Cornell has been primarily out-of-staters for years. That's the makeup of the whole school. That's just their market.

W-H is correct I think...look at the campus numbers across the IIAC of the general student populace...Cornell draws more out of state kids.

Although Dubuque certainly has a football pipeline to Florida

[sportsknight]

Actually, I can't remember a whole lot of player critiques on here...at least not negative. 

Sukow & Yordi took some flack

Never for the on field stuff did they take flack, none that I can remember any way.

agreed.  they took none for on the field stuff.  everything the got, they deserved.

Good to see the bitter train isn't completely empty yet.

[Purple Heys]

Does Cornell still do the one course at a time study? I would think that would cater to a unique type of student. Not everyone would excel in that environment -- I wouldn't. (I never considered Cornell for that reason. I had some really good friends that went there and loved it.) I've always thought of Cornell as more academically riggorous school. It's cool that it takes a different approach, but I wonder if this doesn't affect recruiting practices....

From an athletic participant standpoint, how could you not love One-Course-At-A-Time?  One set of books to travel with, one train of thought to keep in the midst of a season instead of juggling 3-4 classes and the sport.

True, you must be able to absorb a lot of information in a short period of time...but...isn't that the game of football when from one week to the next you need to prepare for the wide open attack of one team to the ground attack of the next week...or a 3-4 defense to a 5-2?

When I played (back when men were men and sheep were nervous) I had 4-5 classes and/or a lab during the season on the Quarter, not Semester, system.  Talk about the worst of everything.    

Midterms every three weeks, finals after 10 weeks.  

[Purple Heys]

Does Cornell still do the one course at a time study? I would think that would cater to a unique type of student. Not everyone would excel in that environment -- I wouldn't. (I never considered Cornell for that reason. I had some really good friends that went there and loved it.) I've always thought of Cornell as more academically riggorous school. It's cool that it takes a different approach, but I wonder if this doesn't affect recruiting practices....

From an athletic participant standpoint, how could you not love One-Course-At-A-Time?  One set of books to travel with, one train of thought to keep in the midst of a season instead of juggling 3-4 classes and the sport.

True, you must be able to absorb a lot of information in a short period of time...but...isn't that the game of football when from one week to the next you need to prepare for the wide open attack of one team to the ground attack of the next week...or a 3-4 defense to a 5-2?

When I played (back when men were men and sheep were nervous) I had 4-5 classes and/or a lab during the season on the Quarter, not Semester, system.  Talk about the worst of everything.    

Midterms every three weeks, finals after 10 weeks.  

To say nothing of that fact that I had to walk to school uphill both ways, in a driving blizzard, through 3 feet of snow, during 100 degree heatwaves.   

Kids these days got it so easy.

[Ash Park]

Does Cornell still do the one course at a time study? I would think that would cater to a unique type of student. Not everyone would excel in that environment -- I wouldn't. (I never considered Cornell for that reason. I had some really good friends that went there and loved it.) I've always thought of Cornell as more academically riggorous school. It's cool that it takes a different approach, but I wonder if this doesn't affect recruiting practices....

No way does the academic schedule change to  help football. It may hurt football right now, but its not going anywhere.  Does Cornell still not allow recruitment of athletes off-campus. That is technically college athletics in its purest form-building your team from guys who are already on campus.

I would say that the one course at time hurts recruitment more than helps. This is just from being from Iowa and talking to other Iowa kids who played football in the IIAC. Cornell starting allowing recruitment off-campus when it first joined the IIAC I'm pretty sure...if not right away it was after a few years after that. I'm pretty sure that was a midwest conference thing but I could be wrong.

[New Storm]

Does Cornell still do the one course at a time study? I would think that would cater to a unique type of student. Not everyone would excel in that environment -- I wouldn't. (I never considered Cornell for that reason. I had some really good friends that went there and loved it.) I've always thought of Cornell as more academically riggorous school. It's cool that it takes a different approach, but I wonder if this doesn't affect recruiting practices....

No way does the academic schedule change to  help football. It may hurt football right now, but its not going anywhere.  Does Cornell still not allow recruitment of athletes off-campus. That is technically college athletics in its purest form-building your team from guys who are already on campus.

I would say that the one course at time hurts recruitment more than helps. This is just from being from Iowa and talking to other Iowa kids who played football in the IIAC. Cornell starting allowing recruitment off-campus when it first joined the IIAC I'm pretty sure...if not right away it was after a few years after that. I'm pretty sure that was a midwest conference thing but I could be wrong.

I have seen Dillon at High Schools recruiting

[Pat Coleman]

That was and is a Midwest Conference rule, yes. The SCIAC and OAC (believe it or not) limit off-campus recruiting contact as well.

[Ash Park]

Does Cornell still do the one course at a time study? I would think that would cater to a unique type of student. Not everyone would excel in that environment -- I wouldn't. (I never considered Cornell for that reason. I had some really good friends that went there and loved it.) I've always thought of Cornell as more academically riggorous school. It's cool that it takes a different approach, but I wonder if this doesn't affect recruiting practices....

No way does the academic schedule change to  help football. It may hurt football right now, but its not going anywhere.  Does Cornell still not allow recruitment of athletes off-campus. That is technically college athletics in its purest form-building your team from guys who are already on campus.

I would say that the one course at time hurts recruitment more than helps. This is just from being from Iowa and talking to other Iowa kids who played football in the IIAC. Cornell starting allowing recruitment off-campus when it first joined the IIAC I'm pretty sure...if not right away it was after a few years after that. I'm pretty sure that was a midwest conference thing but I could be wrong.

I have seen Dillon at High Schools recruiting

Yeah they will still go to the Iowa schools and recruit but they still spend a lot of time making trips to Colorado, Florida, Texas, Arizona and California.

[Klopenhiemer]

WHoa Whoa Whoa, didn't mean to make a joke about that. I don't remember anything like that happening when I was there. I don't think we ever hurt anyone.
I was told after I graduated from an opposing team's player that no one ever wanted to stand around the pile against Wartburg.
I have some clips on tape of Luther OL just shoving guys in the back well after the play. 2 things illegal about that and it happened more than once.

I'm curious to hear about the dirty DL play as well.

Wartburg was never much for trash talking ... they just had the dirtiest o-line I've ever played against

I know nothing of that which you speak. 

What years did you play?

I know there are few guys with broken legs to attest

The 2004 game had two broken legs.  Both d-lineman.  It was an ugly game.  The chop blocks were almost scary.  I can not remember who the o-lineman was, but he was as big as a house.  If he got your legs, there was a good chance something was breaking.  I am not saying the chop block is dirty or that the Wartburg o-line was dirty.  Some things seemed questionable at times, but that is football. 

[Walston Hoover]

I make my players run if they refer to anything I teach them as a chop block.
A chop block is highly illegal and very dangerous and involves a blocker blocking someone below the waist while they are engaged with someone above the waist. Also referred to as a high/low.
  Cut blocks however are very legal and is the best way for a slower OL to even the playing field against a faster DL and LB, but especially DB's. I teach cut blocks and want them to be used as often as possible, however we are restricted in HS as to when they can be utilized. It has to be at the snap and within the tackles.
If it was 2004 and you are talking someone as big as a house, it was most likely Andy Heitmann. about 6'6 and claimed 380. If he was 380, I was 200.