FB: American Rivers Conference

[Alfredeneumann]

ShowMe, What was the last sport Cornell finished in the top half of the conference in? I'm asking that as an honest question because I don't know.

4th in wrestling in 07-08.

[ShowMe]

what 3 players will be all-conference?  

dillon would have to win more then 5 games in teh conference for him to be named coach of the year - i dont think that will happen in his time at cornell, let alone this year.  the simpson coach and Staker would have to have terrible years not to be mentioned (being new coaches).  there is a possibility that wartburg goes undefeated (even though it kills me to say it) and there would be no way willis would not be the COY with an undefeated record.  if central comes even close to an undefeated record with a conference title McMartin would have to be COY with how many players he lost.

Our running back, heys jr and a yet to be named players.

My main point with the prediction at least 3 conference players is that Cornell has better players than the creidt they are getting from the conference. I'm not complaining because the w-l record plays into the selection too and we haven't done well in that catagory lately.

[the_mayne_event]

what 3 players will be all-conference?  

dillon would have to win more then 5 games in teh conference for him to be named coach of the year - i dont think that will happen in his time at cornell, let alone this year.  the simpson coach and Staker would have to have terrible years not to be mentioned (being new coaches).  there is a possibility that wartburg goes undefeated (even though it kills me to say it) and there would be no way willis would not be the COY with an undefeated record.  if central comes even close to an undefeated record with a conference title McMartin would have to be COY with how many players he lost.

Our running back, heys jr and a yet to be named players.

My main point with the prediction at least 3 conference players is that Cornell has better players than the creidt they are getting from the conference. I'm not complaining because the w-l record plays into the selection too and we haven't done well in that catagory lately.

hoerner will be all-conference at TE

[Klompen]

Some other reasons
• The top teams in this conference gets too much respect, they are not as good as the hype

I don't think the Johnnies gave the Dutch enough respect last year.  But that's okay, we did it the old fashioned way.  We earned it.  

I don't recall the score of the Wartburg/Cornell game last year, but it seems to me that the Central/Cornell game was about the only conference game we had that was a blow out. I can see the other teams that had us down in the fourth quarter saying this, but I'm not sure you shouldn't ShowMe something before claiming we got too much respect.

[ShowMe]

It is interesting to note that Cornell has won 1 conference game over the last 3 seasons yet can beat the UMAC champ and the MIAA champ.  Say what you will about those conferences being weak...I think it says something about the competitive nature of the IIAC. 

I beleive you will find pockets of good teams. But good is relative to your frame of reference. The IIAC needs to show up in the final four and in the national championship game. So far, we have been defeated by the pockets of good teams.

Cornell has been 2-8 the last four years. We really have the least to lose and the most to gain. It's just time to win baby.

[Alfredeneumann]

what 3 players will be all-conference? 

dillon would have to win more then 5 games in teh conference for him to be named coach of the year - i dont think that will happen in his time at cornell, let alone this year.  the simpson coach and Staker would have to have terrible years not to be mentioned (being new coaches).  there is a possibility that wartburg goes undefeated (even though it kills me to say it) and there would be no way willis would not be the COY with an undefeated record.  if central comes even close to an undefeated record with a conference title McMartin would have to be COY with how many players he lost.

Our running back, heys jr and a yet to be named players.

My main point with the prediction at least 3 conference players is that Cornell has better players than the creidt they are getting from the conference. I'm not complaining because the w-l record plays into the selection too and we haven't done well in that catagory lately.

What a reach last year Cornell had 2 on the 1st or 2nd team all conference.

[the_mayne_event]

That is a bold statement (no pun intended).  how can you say Coe is a perennial middle of the pack team?  they have had 2 down years at 7-3 the last 2 years - which is a pretty respectable record.  2 years ago being a huge let down/disappointment.  they were preseason number 1 two years ago (i know, preseason means nothing), but that means they had utmost respect from every other coach in the conference.  3 years ago shared the conference title, 4 years ago share of the conference title, 5 years ago was the only down year coe has had since 2002 (they were 5-5 in 03).  

The last couple of year Coe has not been higher that 3rd. As for the previous years, I admit, maybe I'm wrong there.

as i said... 2 years at 7-3, but were disappointing... 07 season had to replace some 18-19 starters and finished 7-3.  06 was a terrible finish.  coe was bit by the injury bug hard that year (starting QB, 2 starting LB's, and a starting CB for a couple games.)  

[Klompen]

since Jake Olsen (who I just talked to a few weeks ago, way out west), I havent seen a lot of 2 sport athletes succeeding in the IIAC, with fball and basketball.

Vern Den Herder exceeded at both for Central, but then again, he was before Jake Olsen's time.     And well beyond his abilities!
Jordan Leuschen is successful in football and basketball.  Kurtis Brondyke is a three sport athlete at Central, but basketball was not his area to shine last year.  Can't complain about the other two sports though.

[ShowMe]

dillon would have to win more then 5 games in teh conference for him to be named coach of the year - i dont think that will happen in his time at cornell, let alone this year.  the simpson coach and Staker would have to have terrible years not to be mentioned (being new coaches).  there is a possibility that wartburg goes undefeated (even though it kills me to say it) and there would be no way willis would not be the COY with an undefeated record.  if central comes even close to an undefeated record with a conference title McMartin would have to be COY with how many players he lost.

Winning five games would make for a drastic improvement. Because, it would mean a 7-3 record in 2008. That means Cornell would have to beat all of the tier II teams in the IIAC and at least one of the top tier teams.
That seems like a reasonable expectation for a team hoping to improve their respect in the IIAC. A 7-3 record would give Mr. Dillon a strong chance at the COY.

[ShowMe]

what 3 players will be all-conference?  

dillon would have to win more then 5 games in teh conference for him to be named coach of the year - i dont think that will happen in his time at cornell, let alone this year.  the simpson coach and Staker would have to have terrible years not to be mentioned (being new coaches).  there is a possibility that wartburg goes undefeated (even though it kills me to say it) and there would be no way willis would not be the COY with an undefeated record.  if central comes even close to an undefeated record with a conference title McMartin would have to be COY with how many players he lost.

Our running back, heys jr and a yet to be named players.

My main point with the prediction at least 3 conference players is that Cornell has better players than the creidt they are getting from the conference. I'm not complaining because the w-l record plays into the selection too and we haven't done well in that catagory lately.

hoerner will be all-conference at TE

There is a second team too!

[Alfredeneumann]

Some other reasons
• The top teams in this conference gets too much respect, they are not as good as the hype

I don't think the Johnnies gave the Dutch enough respect last year.  But that's okay, we did it the old fashioned way.  We earned it. 

I don't recall the score of the Wartburg/Cornell game last year, but it seems to me that the Central/Cornell game was about the only conference game we had that was a blow out. I can see the other teams that had us down in the fourth quarter saying this, but I'm not sure you shouldn't ShowMe something before claiming we got too much respect.

2007 Results

Wart 35 Cornell 7  Central 40 Cornell 14

[Walston Hoover]

Wartburg also did not blow anyone else but Simpson and BV out besides Cornell.

[ShowMe]

ShowMe, at first I got a kick out of what you posted, but after reading your verbal diarhea day after day, I know that you are just trying to get a rise out of people and think this message board is a way to pass overused football cliches onto your team.
Do you realize you are saying a coach who had a losing record his last 3 years of coaching HIGH SCHOOL football and has not won a meaningful game yet in college is now going to field a team that is going to compete for a conference championship.
Without you posting your preseason pep talks to the faithful readers and posters here, no one cares about Cornell. Quite honestly, not in any sport. What was the last sport Cornell finished in the top half of the conference in? I'm asking that as an honest question because I don't know.
-Purple Heys and Ash Park, I love you guys like message board brothers, but as part of the Cornell faithful, this guy is representing you and your fanbase here. Hope he's not setting your team up to get let down even more.
Oh, and Wartburg put up 35 last year on you with their backup QB. I don't know if that's something to talk too highly about.
If you consider 213 yards of offense to be "moving the ball well" then you are in for a VERY long season.

Let me check my fan list, you must be a Wartburg fan, I was right.

You Know, My Friend, time for some Straight Talk,

I know Cornell hasn't been much in any sport lately but history has countless examples of teams on the top that was on the bottom.

The real problem is, the Central and Wartburgs of the conference

"Cannot Handle the Truth"

The truth is, neither program has broken the final four nationally. You can enjoy your IIAC success and I'm happy for you because you are a member of the IIAC. Both programs are big fish in a small pond.

Now don't take it out on my optimism because as I stated above, Cornell has the most to gain. We can get a lot of excitement out of a winning season, we are a small fish in a small pond. Now better programs acroos the conference might help both programs be a big fish in a big pond.

[ShowMe]

Some other reasons
• The top teams in this conference gets too much respect, they are not as good as the hype

I don't think the Johnnies gave the Dutch enough respect last year.  But that's okay, we did it the old fashioned way.  We earned it. 

I don't recall the score of the Wartburg/Cornell game last year, but it seems to me that the Central/Cornell game was about the only conference game we had that was a blow out. I can see the other teams that had us down in the fourth quarter saying this, but I'm not sure you shouldn't ShowMe something before claiming we got too much respect.

2007 Results

Wart 35 Cornell 7  Central 40 Cornell 14

Actually, Cornell played a better game than the score says, it's the cold facts about stats.

And the 218 yeards against Wartburg, there were reason that we need to resolve. My point is Wartburg is not as good as you beleive.

And, get off of last season, we are talking about the upcoming season, thats where my hope is.

[Klompen]

The truth is, neither program has broken the final four nationally. You can enjoy your IIAC success and I'm happy for you because you are a member of the IIAC. Both programs are big fish in a small pond.

Better put a time limit on that.  Central won the national championship in 1974 and finished second in 1984 and 1988.  Sure that was a long time ago, but then again you didn't specify a time limit.  Yes, Central fans love to relive the past.  Then again, at least we have a past to relive.