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[ShowMe]

Here is an article I am sure will spark debate.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/94/opinions_college08_Americas-Best-Colleges_Rank.html

Forbes made a ranking of colleges.  569 in all I think.  I scanned it quickly so I might have missed some schools.

Cornell was tops for the IIAC coming in at 71.  Finishing higher than Cornell University at 121...also finishing higher than Notre Dame at 77, Johns Hopkins at 81, and Grinnell at 107!!!

Coe came in at 182
Luther at 188
Simpson at 241
Wartburg at 430
Central at 554

I didn't see Dubuque, Loras, or BV in there 

Also of note there was Iowa at 331, UNI at 472, Drake at 486 and ISU at 563!!!

My fellow bloggers, this is a sign of the upcoming season

[keith45]

Here is an article I am sure will spark debate.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/94/opinions_college08_Americas-Best-Colleges_Rank.html

Forbes made a ranking of colleges.  569 in all I think.  I scanned it quickly so I might have missed some schools.

Cornell was tops for the IIAC coming in at 71.  Finishing higher than Cornell University at 121...also finishing higher than Notre Dame at 77, Johns Hopkins at 81, and Grinnell at 107!!!

Coe came in at 182
Luther at 188
Simpson at 241
Wartburg at 430
Central at 554

I didn't see Dubuque, Loras, or BV in there 

Also of note there was Iowa at 331, UNI at 472, Drake at 486 and ISU at 563!!!

My fellow bloggers, this is a sign of the upcoming season

NIce one!

[keith45]

Here is an article I am sure will spark debate.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/94/opinions_college08_Americas-Best-Colleges_Rank.html

Forbes made a ranking of colleges.  569 in all I think.  I scanned it quickly so I might have missed some schools.

Cornell was tops for the IIAC coming in at 71.  Finishing higher than Cornell University at 121...also finishing higher than Notre Dame at 77, Johns Hopkins at 81, and Grinnell at 107!!!

Coe came in at 182
Luther at 188
Simpson at 241
Wartburg at 430
Central at 554

I didn't see Dubuque, Loras, or BV in there 

Also of note there was Iowa at 331, UNI at 472, Drake at 486 and ISU at 563!!!

My fellow bloggers, this is a sign of the upcoming season

and a +1

[doolittledog]

Here is the criteria for the rankings. 

http://www.forbes.com/home/2008/08/13/best-colleges-methodology-oped-college08-cx_rv_0813ccap.html

I had just been forwarded the ranking and hadn't taken the time to look deeper into the rankings.  Oxybob, on the SCIAC board scolded me for not including that info!!!

He also said that had no place on a football board.  Interesting because they are constantly talking on that board about their academic superiority over other D3 schools...especiall the WIAC schools.  That is the only reason I posted it, because they are constantly talking about their academic rankings!!!

[Walston Hoover]

I saw this a couple days ago ( I Think, the days are in kind of a haze right now). I'd say it is about 16.66% accurate if you read how they ranked the colleges.

..." the staff at CCAP (mostly college students themselves) gathered data from a variety of sources. They based 25% of the rankings on 7 million student evaluations of courses and instructors, as recorded on the Web site RateMyProfessors.com. Another 25% depends on how many of the school's alumni, adjusted for enrollment, are listed among the notable people in Who's Who in America.

The other half of the ranking is based equally on three factors: the average amount of student debt at graduation held by those who borrowed; the percentage of students graduating in four years; and the number of students or faculty, adjusted for enrollment, who have won nationally competitive awards like Rhodes Scholarships or Nobel Prizes. (Click here for complete methodology.)"

-I don't know much about ratemyprofessors.com other than one guy telling me that it is a controversial website. I know I wouldn;t have gone online and rated a professor unless I was VERY upset with something that happened.
-How many of us have got a letter saying we're nominated  for a Who's Who list? I know mine go straight to the circular file. So 25% of the rating based on getting on a list that you PAY to be on.
-Graduating in 4 years? Depends on how many degrees or majors they have and if that is factored in. Sportsknight killed that part of the ranking for Wartburg.
-Average amount of debt? Probably says more about the Economic backround of the student than anything
-Awards won by students at the school-That I can go with.

Don't get me wrong, I don't know a better way to do it, but I don't think a whole lot of stock can be put in it, other than if they are adjusting for enrollment the amount of awards won, then Cornell would be higher.

[doolittledog]

Walston Hoover is the voice of reason on the rankings...and he should be just a wee bit tired and blurry eyed after what he has been through the last few days!!!

[warthog]

Wel me is moore smartter then alots of them clouns that rigte fore that Fords magzeen.  Granmammy Warthog gradwated form U of Dubuke and Granpappy Warthog was a prood alumnuts from IOA State.  Sizzer Warthog got a diploama at Phayete buy atending Ooper IOA. Sow that meens mie ma an pa is a perrty wize pear an mie sizzer is kno loozer eider. The only dumm won in are clan is mie nefew what wuz at Koe.

[doolittledog]

I guess sarcasm was outlawed in Iowa.

OxyBob

Not outlawed...mine is just broken at the moment!!!

http://www.retro.com/employees/lee/Ani/SarcasmMeter2.gif

[Walston Hoover]

Further evidence that the DSM Rag is out of touch with Iowa Conference reality-
Game of the year to see in Marion County is Simpson at Central (Maybe in 1996) and the game of the year to see in Bremer County is Loras at Wartburg. Hello??? St Norbert anyone? Luther??
Maybe the biggest- UD???

[sportsknight]

The other half of the ranking is based equally on three factors: the average amount of student debt at graduation held by those who borrowed; the percentage of students graduating in four years; and the number of students or faculty, adjusted for enrollment, who have won nationally competitive awards like Rhodes Scholarships or Nobel Prizes. (Click here for complete methodology.)"

I didn't do Wartburg ANY favors in those criteria.

I had to look at the rankings with a bit of a critical eye as well.  I think Clarke College was ranked higher than any other school in Iowa, when in actuality, Clarke isn't even the best school in Dubuque.

[DutchFan2004]

I saw this a couple days ago ( I Think, the days are in kind of a haze right now). I'd say it is about 16.66% accurate if you read how they ranked the colleges.

..." the staff at CCAP (mostly college students themselves) gathered data from a variety of sources. They based 25% of the rankings on 7 million student evaluations of courses and instructors, as recorded on the Web site RateMyProfessors.com. Another 25% depends on how many of the school's alumni, adjusted for enrollment, are listed among the notable people in Who's Who in America.

The other half of the ranking is based equally on three factors: the average amount of student debt at graduation held by those who borrowed; the percentage of students graduating in four years; and the number of students or faculty, adjusted for enrollment, who have won nationally competitive awards like Rhodes Scholarships or Nobel Prizes. (Click here for complete methodology.)"

-I don't know much about ratemyprofessors.com other than one guy telling me that it is a controversial website. I know I wouldn;t have gone online and rated a professor unless I was VERY upset with something that happened.
-How many of us have got a letter saying we're nominated  for a Who's Who list? I know mine go straight to the circular file. So 25% of the rating based on getting on a list that you PAY to be on.
-Graduating in 4 years? Depends on how many degrees or majors they have and if that is factored in. Sportsknight killed that part of the ranking for Wartburg.
-Average amount of debt? Probably says more about the Economic backround of the student than anything
-Awards won by students at the school-That I can go with.

Don't get me wrong, I don't know a better way to do it, but I don't think a whole lot of stock can be put in it, other than if they are adjusting for enrollment the amount of awards won, then Cornell would be higher.

Economic backround of student?  Did you mean how well they understood enonomics or how much money that there parents had, or both? 

[DutchFan2004]

Further evidence that the DSM Rag is out of touch with Iowa Conference reality-
Game of the year to see in Marion County is Simpson at Central (Maybe in 1996) and the game of the year to see in Bremer County is Loras at Wartburg. Hello??? St Norbert anyone? Luther??
Maybe the biggest- UD???

Walston I was thinking the same thoughts you were about the games of the season choices.  I believe that Wartburg would have been my choice for the Marion County games of the season.  Not looking at all the schedules but I would think that St Norbert would have been a better choice than Loras. 

[Walston Hoover]

I saw this a couple days ago ( I Think, the days are in kind of a haze right now). I'd say it is about 16.66% accurate if you read how they ranked the colleges.

..." the staff at CCAP (mostly college students themselves) gathered data from a variety of sources. They based 25% of the rankings on 7 million student evaluations of courses and instructors, as recorded on the Web site RateMyProfessors.com. Another 25% depends on how many of the school's alumni, adjusted for enrollment, are listed among the notable people in Who's Who in America.

The other half of the ranking is based equally on three factors: the average amount of student debt at graduation held by those who borrowed; the percentage of students graduating in four years; and the number of students or faculty, adjusted for enrollment, who have won nationally competitive awards like Rhodes Scholarships or Nobel Prizes. (Click here for complete methodology.)"

-I don't know much about ratemyprofessors.com other than one guy telling me that it is a controversial website. I know I wouldn;t have gone online and rated a professor unless I was VERY upset with something that happened.
-How many of us have got a letter saying we're nominated  for a Who's Who list? I know mine go straight to the circular file. So 25% of the rating based on getting on a list that you PAY to be on.
-Graduating in 4 years? Depends on how many degrees or majors they have and if that is factored in. Sportsknight killed that part of the ranking for Wartburg.
-Average amount of debt? Probably says more about the Economic backround of the student than anything
-Awards won by students at the school-That I can go with.

Don't get me wrong, I don't know a better way to do it, but I don't think a whole lot of stock can be put in it, other than if they are adjusting for enrollment the amount of awards won, then Cornell would be higher.

Economic backround of student?  Did you mean how well they understood enonomics or how much money that there parents had, or both? 

How much money their parent's make and/ or saved up for them.

[DutchFan2004]

I saw this a couple days ago ( I Think, the days are in kind of a haze right now). I'd say it is about 16.66% accurate if you read how they ranked the colleges.

..." the staff at CCAP (mostly college students themselves) gathered data from a variety of sources. They based 25% of the rankings on 7 million student evaluations of courses and instructors, as recorded on the Web site RateMyProfessors.com. Another 25% depends on how many of the school's alumni, adjusted for enrollment, are listed among the notable people in Who's Who in America.

The other half of the ranking is based equally on three factors: the average amount of student debt at graduation held by those who borrowed; the percentage of students graduating in four years; and the number of students or faculty, adjusted for enrollment, who have won nationally competitive awards like Rhodes Scholarships or Nobel Prizes. (Click here for complete methodology.)"

-I don't know much about ratemyprofessors.com other than one guy telling me that it is a controversial website. I know I wouldn;t have gone online and rated a professor unless I was VERY upset with something that happened.
-How many of us have got a letter saying we're nominated  for a Who's Who list? I know mine go straight to the circular file. So 25% of the rating based on getting on a list that you PAY to be on.
-Graduating in 4 years? Depends on how many degrees or majors they have and if that is factored in. Sportsknight killed that part of the ranking for Wartburg.
-Average amount of debt? Probably says more about the Economic backround of the student than anything
-Awards won by students at the school-That I can go with.

Don't get me wrong, I don't know a better way to do it, but I don't think a whole lot of stock can be put in it, other than if they are adjusting for enrollment the amount of awards won, then Cornell would be higher.

Economic backround of student?  Did you mean how well they understood enonomics or how much money that there parents had, or both? 

How much money their parent's make and/ or saved up for them.

I would add to that.  Some kids rack up the credit cards while they are in school and that adds to their debt. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

The debt level also reflects 'choices' (some truly optional, some pretty much forced): e.g., did the student work summers and breaks (and often, during school), or were breaks for Cancun?

This also ties in with graduation in four years (and partially reflects differing missions of the schools: relatively few students at Eastern Michigan graduate in four years, because many were working full-time to be able to go at all (and, thus, part-time), and many others were forced to drop out for a year at a time to earn money to return.

I'd say the only component with ANY worth is student awards, and even that has some problems.