FB: American Rivers Conference

[doolittledog]

analyzing rosters in iiac. do the numbers of players in each class surprise anyone? what does this mean for the future of the teams?

Buena Vista  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 93 (16 SR, 17 JR, 16 SO, 44 FR)
Central  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 129 (19 SR, 18 JR, 40 SO, 52 FR)
Coe  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 90 (20 SR, 16 JR, 26 SO, 28 FR)
Cornell  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 63 (16 SR, 5 JR, 17 SO, 25 FR)
Dubuque  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 106 (16 SR, 18 JR, 24 SO, 48 FR)
Loras  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 85 (11 SR, 19 JR, 22 SO, 33 FR)
Luther  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 83 (28 SR, 17 JR, 16 SO, 22 FR)
Simpson  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 116 (20 SR, 23 JR, 16 SO, 57 FR)
Wartburg  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 128 (21 SR, 24 JR, 34, 49 FR)

central and wartburg numbers tell a story.
dubuque as well.
looks to me like luther is in trouble in the next few yrs.
i think simpsons getting things in place but probably a couple years away.
coe coaching change affect fr class?

i know quality is more important than quantity, but the strong survive system seems to be working at central and wartburg. comments?

Well let's see...
BV- Recent small recruiting classes might show up in the results this year.  If they can hang in there with a typical 5-5 or 6-4 year, and with their larger freshman class, they might be headed in the right direction.

Central - typical Central

Coe - Good numbers and talent...until you see the freshmen numbers.  That could be a product of late coaching hire...next years recruiting class should tell a better story of what the future holds in CR.

Cornell - Seems like typical numbers for them...but their overall size of 63 is up from the 45 they had a couple of years ago...long way to go for the Rams though.

UD - Upper class numbers appear to be about what other top programs have...plus their freshmen numbers are up there as well.  Let's see if the talent is still making its way to Dubuque...I hope it is...and suspect it is as well.

Loras - Ruh roh raggy...I smell trouble on Loras Blvd.

Luther - bright side is they have a large senior class and decent sized junior class.  I think they have 1 year to get their ship headed in the right direction or the Norse could be in big trouble.

Simpson - Impressive numbers through all 4 classes.  Now if they can just figure out their new system with their new coach...look out IIAC.

Wartburg - Typical Wartburg

Now this is just from looking at the numbers.  The real deal is played out on the field.  But you could see some trends developing here.  And going from Walston Hoovers theory.  I suppose you could see Central and Wartburg holding steady.  Dubuque ready to step it up a notch.  And Simpson maybe ready to swap places with Coe as a perrenial top level team.  But who knows really.  

[Thunderbolt]

 Plus K for the good work Storm Tracker. DutchFan2004, you make some good points, but the part about Coe and Luther being in trouble because 2/3s of their recruits drop out before the senior season just escapes me. It looks the other way around to me. I'm sure this years Seniors at Luther didn't start with 60 kids as Freshmen.
Wartburg has been brought up many times when it comes to huge Freshmen classes that turn into average size Senior classes. To me that just seems natural, that the best teams would get the highest number of recruits and therefore have the biggest losses to attrition.
I will concede that Luthers Freshmen numbers have been lacking the past two seasons. I'm sure the coaching change had something to do with that. Thats what makes Simpsons numbers so surprising to me.

[warthog]

s_t65: 
The one thing I find a little suprizing is the relative small size of Wartburg's freshman class. (49)
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I would expect Coach Willis will have more new Knights next year. 

[5 Words or Less]

s_t65: 
The one thing I find a little suprizing is the relative small size of Wartburg's freshman class. (49)
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I would expect Coach Willis will have more new Knights next year. 

Weren't there 75 +/- freshmen last year?

[Charlie Kohawk]

Well let's see...
BV- Recent small recruiting classes might show up in the results this year.  If they can hang in there with a typical 5-5 or 6-4 year, and with their larger freshman class, they might be headed in the right direction.

Central - typical Central

Coe - Good numbers and talent...until you see the freshmen numbers.  That could be a product of late coaching hire...next years recruiting class should tell a better story of what the future holds in CR.

Cornell - Seems like typical numbers for them...but their overall size of 63 is up from the 45 they had a couple of years ago...long way to go for the Rams though.

UD - Upper class numbers appear to be about what other top programs have...plus their freshmen numbers are up there as well.  Let's see if the talent is still making its way to Dubuque...I hope it is...and suspect it is as well.

Loras - Ruh roh raggy...I smell trouble on Loras Blvd.

Luther - bright side is they have a large senior class and decent sized junior class.  I think they have 1 year to get their ship headed in the right direction or the Norse could be in big trouble.

Simpson - Impressive numbers through all 4 classes.  Now if they can just figure out their new system with their new coach...look out IIAC.

Wartburg - Typical Wartburg

Now this is just from looking at the numbers.  The real deal is played out on the field.  But you could see some trends developing here.  And going from Walston Hoovers theory.  I suppose you could see Central and Wartburg holding steady.  Dubuque ready to step it up a notch.  And Simpson maybe ready to swap places with Coe as a perrenial top level team.  But who knows really.  

+k doolittle. I think you got it mostly right. Except Coe is not about to stop being a contender.

[Kohawk Krazy]

should be an interesting weekend.  Friday night coaching at Kingston vs. Kennedy.  Should be big becuase Jefferson beat #7 Xavier this last week.  Then the Kohawks play Augustana at 7 PM.  Should be another big night game.  First time these guys have played under the lights since they were in high school.  Rumor also has it that the Augustana QB is 5' 5" tall and he returns punts for them.  Can't wait for this weekend to start watchin D3 football again.

Just an FYI, Coe plays at 6 p.m. and not 7 p.m.  I'd hate for you to miss an hour of action.

[Purple Heys]

analyzing rosters in iiac. do the numbers of players in each class surprise anyone? what does this mean for the future of the teams?

Buena Vista  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 93 (16 SR, 17 JR, 16 SO, 44 FR)
Central  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 129 (19 SR, 18 JR, 40 SO, 52 FR)
Coe  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 90 (20 SR, 16 JR, 26 SO, 28 FR)
Cornell  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 63 (16 SR, 5 JR, 17 SO, 25 FR)
Dubuque  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 106 (16 SR, 18 JR, 24 SO, 48 FR)
Loras  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 85 (11 SR, 19 JR, 22 SO, 33 FR)
Luther  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 83 (28 SR, 17 JR, 16 SO, 22 FR)
Simpson  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 116 (20 SR, 23 JR, 16 SO, 57 FR)
Wartburg  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 128 (21 SR, 24 JR, 34, 49 FR)

central and wartburg numbers tell a story.
dubuque as well.
looks to me like luther is in trouble in the next few yrs.
i think simpsons getting things in place but probably a couple years away.
coe coaching change affect fr class?

i know quality is more important than quantity, but the strong survive system seems to be working at central and wartburg. comments?

Coe, Luther, and Cornell are all in trouble IMHO as it looks as though that about 2/3 of the recruits drop out of football by their senior year.  

I think the numbers are to be taken with some subjectivity...Cornell's Junior Class size reflects a very late start to Dillon's first class, to a school that has enough challenges as it is.  If you look at it from the actual number, they are on track to retain 63% of Dillon's first Senior Class next year. (5/8...one dropped due to personal reasons, the other was a butthead and didn't finish his freshman year, I can't remember the third)

I am encouraged by the last two years, especially this year where their incoming class is not only larger than the previous it is also ripe with proportionally more good ball players to be brought along.  The fact is that Cornell will have to make do with the smaller numbers.  But if they keep bringing in incrementally bigger and better classes, its realistic to consider their number to hover in the 80's within another 2 or 3 years...

[sportsknight]

s_t65: 
The one thing I find a little suprizing is the relative small size of Wartburg's freshman class. (49)
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I would expect Coach Willis will have more new Knights next year. 

Anybody more "in the know" can feel free to correct me, but I think Koehler was putting more of an emphasis on quality than quantity in the recruiting plan this year.  Didn't want quite as big a class, but was looking to get just as much talent in a smaller overall number.

Oh, and as far as people being a little more snippy right before the season starts...Ask WH and TheOne about me.  I'm always this much of an a$$hole.

[Purple Heys]

+k doolittle. I think you got it mostly right. Except Coe is not about to stop being a contender.

...in your opinion at least.   8)

[doolittledog]

My allergies have woke me up in the middle of the night...and since storm_tracker65 did that great work with the numbers for each school in our conference I thought I would take a look at the break down of the Dubuque numbers by state. 

Dubuque Spartans
Seniors - 17
FL - 7
IA - 3
IL - 3
CA - 2
IN - 1
MI - 1

Juniors - 18
CA - 5
IA - 4
IL - 4
FL - 3
Ger - 1 (American Military)
MD - 1

Sophmores - 24
FL - 10
IL - 6
IA - 3
MI - 3
TX - 2

Way too many freshman to count...46 or 47 or something like that. 

[Walston Hoover]

s_t65: 
The one thing I find a little suprizing is the relative small size of Wartburg's freshman class. (49)
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I would expect Coach Willis will have more new Knights next year. 

I wouldn;t be too concerned. I spoke with Coach Koehler last Christmas and the plan for this year was to specifically target top recruits, rather than toss out a net and see how many they could haul in. WHen I golfed with him again in May, he was very happy with the quality of guys that had sent in their deposits. (as close to a NLI signing that you will get at the D3 level)

Oh, and I will verify that SK is indeed a prick.
I won't call him an a-hole though because I've been called and a-hole before and equating myself with SK would give me a bad name.

[doolittledog]

Two UD flight students were critically injured in a small plane accident. 

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=214622

While I was at UD I can remember 2 University of North Dakota students that crashed into the Mississippi while in Dubuque for flight team regionals and a UD student that landed in Platteville without the landing gear down.  But can't remember anytime UD students were injured like this. 

[the_mayne_event]

analyzing rosters in iiac. do the numbers of players in each class surprise anyone? what does this mean for the future of the teams?

Buena Vista  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 93 (16 SR, 17 JR, 16 SO, 44 FR)
Central  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 129 (19 SR, 18 JR, 40 SO, 52 FR)
Coe  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 90 (20 SR, 16 JR, 26 SO, 28 FR)
Cornell  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 63 (16 SR, 5 JR, 17 SO, 25 FR)
Dubuque  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 106 (16 SR, 18 JR, 24 SO, 48 FR)
Loras  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 85 (11 SR, 19 JR, 22 SO, 33 FR)
Luther  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 83 (28 SR, 17 JR, 16 SO, 22 FR)
Simpson  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 116 (20 SR, 23 JR, 16 SO, 57 FR)
Wartburg  TOTAL ROSTER SIZE = 128 (21 SR, 24 JR, 34, 49 FR)

central and wartburg numbers tell a story.
dubuque as well.
looks to me like luther is in trouble in the next few yrs.
i think simpsons getting things in place but probably a couple years away.
coe coaching change affect fr class?

i know quality is more important than quantity, but the strong survive system seems to be working at central and wartburg. comments?

Coe's Senior Class is routinly around 20 kids, maybe a couple more or less each year.  They don't like bringing in the huge freshman class (at least Raeburn didnt).  They may loose a couple kids a year, but not very many though the years.  the kids that quit are usually not playing anyways.  isnt the saying quality, not quantity??  if you bring in like 50-80 players a year, how are you going to judge talant in 2/3 weeks of camp with the rule restrictions now?

[Walston Hoover]

 if you bring in like 50-80 players a year, how are you going to judge talant in 2/3 weeks of camp with the rule restrictions now?

Tape is a great thing.
Coaches also have a great idea of who and who can't play when they are recruiting the kids.
Also-I know Wartburg during the couple years that they had huge classes would have a seperate practice for the newcomers so they could get individual instruction and evaluated better.

[Klompen]

Two UD flight students were critically injured in a small plane accident. 

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=214622

While I was at UD I can remember 2 University of North Dakota students that crashed into the Mississippi while in Dubuque for flight team regionals and a UD student that landed in Platteville without the landing gear down.  But can't remember anytime UD students were injured like this. 

I saw that on the news this morning.  It looked to me like they were lucky to be alive, given the pictures of the house in flames.  My thoughts and prayers go out to the students and their families.