FB: American Rivers Conference

[TheOne89.1]

I have not looked to see who has not posted the pickems yet but I know I am short two or three people from picking their picks.  Don't forget to pick them.

After two text messages from SK on Saturday as I was driving to Davenport it hit me that I did not submit pick'ems for last week.  Looks like 0-4 for Sept. 20th for me.  Just guess I will have to run the tables like Wartburg and never lose a pick the rest of the season to win.

[DutchFan2004]

I have not looked to see who has not posted the pickems yet but I know I am short two or three people from picking their picks.  Don't forget to pick them.

After two text messages from SK on Saturday as I was driving to Davenport it hit me that I did not submit pick'ems for last week.  Looks like 0-4 for Sept. 20th for me.  Just guess I will have to run the tables like Wartburg and never lose a pick the rest of the season to win.

If you can do that you should see if you can lay down some with bookies.  You won't have to work hard any more or take some nice vacations.   

[TheOne89.1]

CR Gazette on-line slide show of Coe-Cornell game
http://gazetteonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080920/SPORTS/709209915/1056

WOW!  I have read a few posts on here about the socks over at Cornell...interesting.  Wouldn't be my first pick for a football team uniform.

[Ash Park]

CR Gazette on-line slide show of Coe-Cornell game
http://gazetteonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080920/SPORTS/709209915/1056

WOW!  I have read a few posts on here about the socks over at Cornell...interesting.  Wouldn't be my first pick for a football team uniform.

I agree. I think low-cut black or white socks would look better.

[Thunderbolt]

Kind of boring on here this week. I guess that's what happens when the game of the year takes place in week 1.

Well from a total IIAC perspective you have two of the games of the year.  The game with the longest rivalry and the game between the two favorites.  I really don't see any rivalry games this week. 

The two games I think are interesting are the UD/BV game and the Luther/Simpson game.  Those two games are two pretty unknowns.  I think the out comes of both of those games are up for grabs.  Simpson had two easy non con games and then loses the first IIAC game against a team that they have had their way with some what in recent years.  UD has struggled since beating an easier opponent.  BV has seemed to improve so this game is a very good game to judge some things.  Has UD taken a step back if they lose?  Has BV made a step towards upper division football if they win?  Where do Luther and Simpson fall in the picture if the win/lose?

I agree those two games, will help define things a little. Some strange stats from the BV game. BV totally dominates TOP and has 5 rushing TDs, while averaging under 2 yards per carry. You don't see that story line every day. About all you can say about Luther and BV last week is that on that day they were better than Dubuque and Simpson. Both were home underdogs, so to speak, both won the turnover and field position battles. Both had an average starting point of the 45 yard line. You should score some points playing on a 55 yard field. It's usually going to be a long day, if you're the visiting team and lose the field position battle by 15 to 20 yards a posession.

[TheOne89.1]

I guess you could link to it instead.

Fair point.
http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=2245&photo=0377

Just like the good old days when I was around Wartburg.  Good to see Willis hasn't lost his flair.  I don't ever expect him to lose that.

[TheOne89.1]

I have not looked to see who has not posted the pickems yet but I know I am short two or three people from picking their picks.  Don't forget to pick them.

After two text messages from SK on Saturday as I was driving to Davenport it hit me that I did not submit pick'ems for last week.  Looks like 0-4 for Sept. 20th for me.  Just guess I will have to run the tables like Wartburg and never lose a pick the rest of the season to win.

If you can do that you should see if you can lay down some with bookies.  You won't have to work hard any more or take some nice vacations.   

We will see if I can keep that kind of luck next April out in Vegas (hopefully work sends me again).  If not I will just bring it with me to Canterbury Park in Shokopee, MN next summer.

[doolittledog]

CR Gazette on-line slide show of Coe-Cornell game
http://gazetteonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080920/SPORTS/709209915/1056

WOW!  I have read a few posts on here about the socks over at Cornell...interesting.  Wouldn't be my first pick for a football team uniform.

I agree. I think low-cut black or white socks would look better.

If Cornell were to go on a tear and win 2 or 3 Iowa Conference championships I bet you would start seeing other teams with the hooped, high cut socks.  I wouldn't want to see every team looking alike.  I actually don't mind them.  But then again, I come from a soccer background and have seen socks like that before. 

[Klopenhiemer]

I truely believe that BV has taken a step forward.  Their O has improved, and their D is still tough.  No matter how tough UD has been in the past BV has found a way to win.  I believe and please correct me but BV has won like the last 8 out of 9 games.  I know Dubuque is a very, very improved team.  But BV did handle them pretty easily.  But as it has been said many times on this board the IIAC is a guess, any team can win.

I am perplexed on the question of, Has BV made a step forward towards the top?

But I do have an answer.  And yes they have, I think with what they have going for them is good.  Yes, it is 2 games into the season for them, but they will keep winning, and maybe surprise somebody out there.  But then again, they can win and win, and choke, who knows, it's football anyone can get beaten on any given day.  But I do see, maybe this year of them being in the top 3-4-5 if not in the next couple of years be in the top for sure, BV's recruiting was great this year.  So if there is minimal turnover and high expectations/confidence, yea, I think BV will take steps forward.

As for UD, teams struggle, and if after a loss they struggle more it is something most teams battle through, every one goes through adversity, it is the good teams that fight adversity and win after it.  And UD I do not see taking any steps back from where they are at.  They are a good team that has improved, and will keep improving, they have got the taste of winning, and they like it in Dubuque.  The recruits will keep coming, the wins will keep coming, and the confidence will keep raising. 

MNBeev

The question came from the last 7 years results

2007

3-5 in the conference 6th place

2006

4-4 in the conference 5th place

2005 

4-4 in the conference and 5th place

2004

5-3 in the conference and 3rd place

2003

4-4 in the conference and 5th place

2002

3-6 in the conference and 8th place

2001

4-5 in the conference and 5th place

I did not count ties such as ties for 1st place moving teams up places.  You can quibble about the places but I think this is explaining my question.  BV has only one upper half finish in the last seven years.  The 5th place is right in the middle not upper not lower since the Peacocks left.  If they win this Saturday they will be on their way to an upper half finish but they still have what has been the upper half (or what has been) to play yet.  If they win against the Spartans this will leave the Duhawks, Rams, and Norse within striking distance of the upper half.  It is possible, the first step is this Saturday and the reason for the question I posed. 

DF2K4....He was not perplexed as to why you asked the question, he was more preplexed in finding an education answer to your question.  Obviously no one in Beaver Nation is claiming they have moved forward over the last 7 years.  We have stayed put so to speak, with the 2004 season being the best run that we have made. 

[MNbeev]

I truely believe that BV has taken a step forward.  Their O has improved, and their D is still tough.  No matter how tough UD has been in the past BV has found a way to win.  I believe and please correct me but BV has won like the last 8 out of 9 games.  I know Dubuque is a very, very improved team.  But BV did handle them pretty easily.  But as it has been said many times on this board the IIAC is a guess, any team can win.

I am perplexed on the question of, Has BV made a step forward towards the top?

But I do have an answer.  And yes they have, I think with what they have going for them is good.  Yes, it is 2 games into the season for them, but they will keep winning, and maybe surprise somebody out there.  But then again, they can win and win, and choke, who knows, it's football anyone can get beaten on any given day.  But I do see, maybe this year of them being in the top 3-4-5 if not in the next couple of years be in the top for sure, BV's recruiting was great this year.  So if there is minimal turnover and high expectations/confidence, yea, I think BV will take steps forward.

As for UD, teams struggle, and if after a loss they struggle more it is something most teams battle through, every one goes through adversity, it is the good teams that fight adversity and win after it.  And UD I do not see taking any steps back from where they are at.  They are a good team that has improved, and will keep improving, they have got the taste of winning, and they like it in Dubuque.  The recruits will keep coming, the wins will keep coming, and the confidence will keep raising. 

The question came from the last 7 years results

2007

3-5 in the conference 6th place

2006

4-4 in the conference 5th place

2005 

4-4 in the conference and 5th place

2004

5-3 in the conference and 3rd place

2003

4-4 in the conference and 5th place

2002

3-6 in the conference and 8th place

2001

4-5 in the conference and 5th place

I did not count ties such as ties for 1st place moving teams up places.  You can quibble about the places but I think this is explaining my question.  BV has only one upper half finish in the last seven years.  The 5th place is right in the middle not upper not lower since the Peacocks left.  If they win this Saturday they will be on their way to an upper half finish but they still have what has been the upper half (or what has been) to play yet.  If they win against the Spartans this will leave the Duhawks, Rams, and Norse within striking distance of the upper half.  It is possible, the first step is this Saturday and the reason for the question I posed. 

DutchFan,

I, in no way was questioning your question, I was explaining why they could YES be in the upper devision.  And thank you for explaining further in detail.  And yes, with Loras, Luther, and Cornell lft, along with the Spartans, BV can make a upper finish.  

What do you think we don't have a chance against the knights and Central?

Great post, great explaination, great discussion. 

[Klopenhiemer]

WH...Hows the season going over at Dowling?

[DutchFan2004]

MNBeev, Klopenhiemer,

Thanks I didn't take offense to the question at all.  I was just clarifying my question if you didn't understand it.  You did and I missed that.  I do think BV has a chance to move up.  Are Cental and Wartburg automatic winners no way.  I think that last two years showed that games with Central were very close and hard fought.  I think BV has the chance to take as high as third.  I think Central and Wartburg will win the games against BV provided that no serious injuries occur.  That is my opinion but can BV beat them sure it can happen.  The past has told us that the Knights can stumble a bit when they shouldn't.  Has that happened already this season with the Augsburg game? Time will tell. 

[Klopenhiemer]

MNBeev, Klopenhiemer,

Thanks I didn't take offense to the question at all.  I was just clarifying my question if you didn't understand it.  You did and I missed that.  I do think BV has a chance to move up.  Are Cental and Wartburg automatic winners no way.  I think that last two years showed that games with Central were very close and hard fought.  I think BV has the chance to take as high as third.  I think Central and Wartburg will win the games against BV provided that no serious injuries occur.  That is my opinion but can BV beat them sure it can happen.  The past has told us that the Knights can stumble a bit when they shouldn't.  Has that happened already this season with the Augsburg game? Time will tell. 

Personally I do not see BV losing to Central this season.  BV shot themselves in the foot big time against UW-P.  Turnovers and missed opportunities were the story of that day.  They beat a perenial solid Simpson team last week and put up over 40 points.  I do not believe that Central is the team they have been over the past few season.  Though they are still good, I see them losing two more conference games, all by close margins.  You have a young QB and a running QB and do not seem to have a combination of both, or one that throws the ball all that well.  Lets spice it up a bit, the board has been boreing.  It's no fun agreeing with people all the time. 

[dutchfan1]

MNBeev, Klopenhiemer,

Thanks I didn't take offense to the question at all.  I was just clarifying my question if you didn't understand it.  You did and I missed that.  I do think BV has a chance to move up.  Are Cental and Wartburg automatic winners no way.  I think that last two years showed that games with Central were very close and hard fought.  I think BV has the chance to take as high as third.  I think Central and Wartburg will win the games against BV provided that no serious injuries occur.  That is my opinion but can BV beat them sure it can happen.  The past has told us that the Knights can stumble a bit when they shouldn't.  Has that happened already this season with the Augsburg game? Time will tell. 

Personally I do not see BV losing to Central this season.  BV shot themselves in the foot big time against UW-P.  Turnovers and missed opportunities were the story of that day.  They beat a perenial solid Simpson team last week and put up over 40 points.  I do not believe that Central is the team they have been over the past few season.  Though they are still good, I see them losing two more conference games, all by close margins.  You have a young QB and a running QB and do not seem to have a combination of both, or one that throws the ball all that well.  Lets spice it up a bit, the board has been boreing.  It's no fun agreeing with people all the time. 

Perinnial solid Simpson team? In the 90's, maybe. Sorry Simpson fans, but beating a 4-6 or a 3-7 Simpson team is not what I would consider a "solid" win. Sure, BV will win some games this season, but don't expect the Dutch to lose sleep the week of November 8.

Central may not be the team we were last year (*ahem* Because we graduated so many players....) but we're not exactly Cubs fans ("there's always next year") yet.... losing one game hardly ruins a season. 

[doolittledog]

MNBeev, Klopenhiemer,

Thanks I didn't take offense to the question at all.  I was just clarifying my question if you didn't understand it.  You did and I missed that.  I do think BV has a chance to move up.  Are Cental and Wartburg automatic winners no way.  I think that last two years showed that games with Central were very close and hard fought.  I think BV has the chance to take as high as third.  I think Central and Wartburg will win the games against BV provided that no serious injuries occur.  That is my opinion but can BV beat them sure it can happen.  The past has told us that the Knights can stumble a bit when they shouldn't.  Has that happened already this season with the Augsburg game? Time will tell. 

Personally I do not see BV losing to Central this season.  BV shot themselves in the foot big time against UW-P.  Turnovers and missed opportunities were the story of that day.  They beat a perenial solid Simpson team last week and put up over 40 points.  I do not believe that Central is the team they have been over the past few season.  Though they are still good, I see them losing two more conference games, all by close margins.  You have a young QB and a running QB and do not seem to have a combination of both, or one that throws the ball all that well.  Lets spice it up a bit, the board has been boreing.  It's no fun agreeing with people all the time. 

Ok, UD will beat BV like a rented mule...readheaded stepchild...you name it, this Saturday.  BV lost to UW-Platteville because of turnovers???  Then that's the reason we lost to a perenial solid Luther (if Simpson and their 9-15 conference record over the last 3 seasons is solid...then Luther and their 10-14 conference record is as well)  

Wish I could be in Dubuque this saturday for the game.  We will be home celebrating a belated birthday with our son.  Hey Klop, if BV wins...you won't owe me a chili cheesedog anymore