FB: American Rivers Conference

[doolittledog]

Yes, and when I was at my frat reunion this summer I noticed I was there with a doctor, a dentist, airline pilots, a Lt. Col. in the Army, a bank vice president and so on.  Another thing I can think of is when I would come home from school 20 odd years ago and talk to friends of mine from high school.  I had friends at all three state schools and each of the IIAC schools.  Most classes we took were very similar.  In fact, most of the Gen Ed classes like macro and micro econ and the accounting classes had the same text books at each school. 

Few employees at a bank are not VPs..........not to diminish being a vp at a bank, but the bank I work for has thousands of VPs.

Yeah, I thought about that after I typed it.  In his case he is a higher up.  In my moms' case 30 plus years ago...she was a teller...with a vice president label

[the_mayne_event]

Just as the NFL is not a good barometer of Iowa Conference football talent, income is not a good measure of professional success.

except for Coe

[the_mayne_event]

Sorry for the long post, but I am extremely tired of Cornell not winning in much of anything and wish the administration would change some things...like their attitude. ccram33s post really got me going.To be a winner you at least have to have a winners attitude..oh and it might help if everyone has it..not just a few people.

I guess I just don't get it.

I have never seen a college administrator take the field.  So how is it they are the root cause?

Plenty of places with high academic standards find ways to compete...and do not most IIAC schools have relatively high standards compared to a State school?

Look, I don't like losing, Jr doesn't like it...but football is part of the means to an end.  His degree will be the most valued thing he takes from this. 

Even if Cornell doesn't win another game for the rest of his career, and he would hate that, I believe that it will not defeat him.  For his 4 years he will have worked as hard as any kid that played at Wartburg or Central or Mount Union.  I see that in other Cornell kids too.

That is what makes me proud.

not necessarily... if you arn't in the top half of your class, you can barely get in to Iowa, Iowa State, or UNI -- and that is usually after reaplying and having letters of reccomendation, and begging.

[dutchfan1]

Sorry for the long post, but I am extremely tired of Cornell not winning in much of anything and wish the administration would change some things...like their attitude. ccram33s post really got me going.To be a winner you at least have to have a winners attitude..oh and it might help if everyone has it..not just a few people.

I guess I just don't get it.

I have never seen a college administrator take the field.   So how is it they are the root cause?

Plenty of places with high academic standards find ways to compete...and do not most IIAC schools have relatively high standards compared to a State school?

Look, I don't like losing, Jr doesn't like it...but football is part of the means to an end.  His degree will be the most valued thing he takes from this. 

Even if Cornell doesn't win another game for the rest of his career, and he would hate that, I believe that it will not defeat him.  For his 4 years he will have worked as hard as any kid that played at Wartburg or Central or Mount Union.  I see that in other Cornell kids too.

That is what makes me proud.

How about standing on the sidelines, say as the kicking coach? Central's President, Dr. Roe, did that....  (Talk about visible support for your athletic programs!)

[the_mayne_event]

Sorry for the long post, but I am extremely tired of Cornell not winning in much of anything and wish the administration would change some things...like their attitude. ccram33s post really got me going.To be a winner you at least have to have a winners attitude..oh and it might help if everyone has it..not just a few people.

I guess I just don't get it.

I have never seen a college administrator take the field.  So how is it they are the root cause?

Plenty of places with high academic standards find ways to compete...and do not most IIAC schools have relatively high standards compared to a State school?

Look, I don't like losing, Jr doesn't like it...but football is part of the means to an end.  His degree will be the most valued thing he takes from this. 

Even if Cornell doesn't win another game for the rest of his career, and he would hate that, I believe that it will not defeat him.  For his 4 years he will have worked as hard as any kid that played at Wartburg or Central or Mount Union.  I see that in other Cornell kids too.

That is what makes me proud.

I have heard the faculty thing time and time again.  I truly believe that it has to start with the coach and him getting the school excited about football again.  When I visited Coe, and I am going to be brutally honest, I thought the place was a dump.  The football field was a disaster, the weight room was less than to be desired, and the dorm rooms were pitiful.  Kids were sleeping on beds made from plywood and 2 x4 's.  But the program was winning football games and the kids who I met were very excited about being there.  Hence why Coe scored so high with me.  I figured if all the players were this fired up, I could live with these conditions. 

I have heard people say that Cornell is a dump and that it needs updating.  Well when you do not win a conference game in 2+ years and counting, why would anyone want to update the facility.  If Cornell could somehow salvage this season and carry this momentum into recruiting season and put another good one on the  board, things might change.  Remember people this program is not that far removed from players like Matt Ditch and Chris Lovely. 

they still do, it's called lofting your bed - making more room in your dorm

[dutchfan1]

Just as the NFL is not a good barometer of Iowa Conference football talent, income is not a good measure of professional success.

except for Coe

Eh, Central's got an NFL star, too. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Vern Den Herder played on the NFL's only undefeated season...... 

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19880717/SPORTS11/50625004

[Klopenhiemer]

Sorry for the long post, but I am extremely tired of Cornell not winning in much of anything and wish the administration would change some things...like their attitude. ccram33s post really got me going.To be a winner you at least have to have a winners attitude..oh and it might help if everyone has it..not just a few people.

I guess I just don't get it.

I have never seen a college administrator take the field.  So how is it they are the root cause?

Plenty of places with high academic standards find ways to compete...and do not most IIAC schools have relatively high standards compared to a State school?

Look, I don't like losing, Jr doesn't like it...but football is part of the means to an end.  His degree will be the most valued thing he takes from this. 

Even if Cornell doesn't win another game for the rest of his career, and he would hate that, I believe that it will not defeat him.  For his 4 years he will have worked as hard as any kid that played at Wartburg or Central or Mount Union.  I see that in other Cornell kids too.

That is what makes me proud.

I have heard the faculty thing time and time again.  I truly believe that it has to start with the coach and him getting the school excited about football again.  When I visited Coe, and I am going to be brutally honest, I thought the place was a dump.  The football field was a disaster, the weight room was less than to be desired, and the dorm rooms were pitiful.  Kids were sleeping on beds made from plywood and 2 x4 's.  But the program was winning football games and the kids who I met were very excited about being there.  Hence why Coe scored so high with me.  I figured if all the players were this fired up, I could live with these conditions. 

I have heard people say that Cornell is a dump and that it needs updating.  Well when you do not win a conference game in 2+ years and counting, why would anyone want to update the facility.  If Cornell could somehow salvage this season and carry this momentum into recruiting season and put another good one on the  board, things might change.  Remember people this program is not that far removed from players like Matt Ditch and Chris Lovely. 

they still do, it's called lofting your bed - making more room in your dorm

I am aware of what lofting a bed is.  I did it in my dorm room.  This was not a lofted bed, this was a bed made from 2 x 4's and plywood resting on the floor.  It was pretty sweet

[the_mayne_event]

Just as the NFL is not a good barometer of Iowa Conference football talent, income is not a good measure of professional success.

except for Coe

Eh, Central's got an NFL star, too. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Vern Den Herder played on the NFL's only undefeated season...... 

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19880717/SPORTS11/50625004

touche

[doolittledog]

Even Upper Iowa and William Penn have NFL Alumni.  Maybe not with as cool of names as Vern Den Herder...but other schools do have their NFL alumni.

Facilities are nice, but in the end I think it is support from the school administration that is the most important.  Central has it with their President/kicking coach...Wartburg had it with President Ohle...or however you spell it.  Dubuque has it now with with President Bullock...Dubuque might not achieve the success Central and Wartburg have had, but the administrations support has to lead to improvements in facilities and alumni giving as well as improved performances on the field.  

[doolittledog]

Hey Klop, how about if BV beats UD this weekend you no longer owe me a hot dog.  If UD beats BV you will owe me a hot dog AND a beer sometime...and, If Dubuque can put together a 10 game win streak over your Beavers in the next 20 years...you will install field turf in my yard...I'm getting too old and tired to keep mowing every weekend, not to mention my lucky mower hasn't been so lucky recently

[Klopenhiemer]

Hey Klop, how about if BV beats UD this weekend you no longer owe me a hot dog.  If UD beats BV you will owe me a hot dog AND a beer sometime...and, If Dubuque can put together a 10 game win streak over your Beavers in the next 20 years...you will install field turf in my yard...I'm getting too old and tired to keep mowing every weekend, not to mention my lucky mower hasn't been so lucky recently

You got a deal.  I was actually thinking about coming over for the game, but I have to work on Saturday, so no dice on that one.  I might come over when they play Loras though, depending upon how things shake out.

[Walston Hoover]

How about standing on the sidelines, say as the kicking coach? Central's President, Dr. Roe, did that....  (Talk about visible support for your athletic programs!)

Ohle was a big fan of football, having coached in a Stagg Bowl. I'm not sure, but from what I hear, Interim President Hamm is a fan of the old pigskin as well.

[dutchfan1]

How about standing on the sidelines, say as the kicking coach? Central's President, Dr. Roe, did that....  (Talk about visible support for your athletic programs!)

Ohle was a big fan of football, having coached in a Stagg Bowl. I'm not sure, but from what I hear, Interim President Hamm is a fan of the old pigskin as well.

Knowing that you have support is one thing, but having the powers-that-be so involved in the athletic culture is taking it to another level. Central and Wartburg both do that very well.

[Ash Park]

Yeah I'm going to go ahead and say that even though the administration and some students think Cornell is that much above every school in the IIAC in academics they are not. I believe every school in this conference is a good school and you can get a good education at any of them.....as much as it hurts to say this..even at Coe

I agree I have never heard anyone say anything about thinking Wartburg players will be going to the NFL. Cornell might have higher admission standards than everyone else in the conference but that is the only difference I see and I have known people who got into college with a 18 or lower on their act or below a 3.0 gpa out of high school who went to an IIAC school and actually earned better grades than in high school.

In my opinion the administration at Cornell needs to wake up and realize they are not an Ivy league school. Their standards at Cornell are too high. The classes their are not any tougher than any other IIAC school. I had friends who transferred in and were thinking that it was going to be tough then realized that it wasn't bad at all.

Part of the problem at Cornell and sorry ccram33 no offense to you is that people are too complacent with losing. They say things like oh well at least we have good academics....and....oh wait. Why not be like well we are good at academics, athletics, music, theatre etc. I know of a couple schools in this conference that can say that. I don't think I even need to list them.

Jr. don't like losing, nor do I.  There are a lot of young men and coaches on that team that share that sentiment.

Sorry Heys, I never said the athletes or the parents...I'm just talking in general the general population at Cornell. Train hits my points right on. I was not attacking the athletes at Cornell at all. I know that most of them want to win and work hard. No the administration does not take the field but as Train said their attitude kind of reflects most of the community there.

[Alfredeneumann]

How about standing on the sidelines, say as the kicking coach? Central's President, Dr. Roe, did that....  (Talk about visible support for your athletic programs!)

Ohle was a big fan of football, having coached in a Stagg Bowl. I'm not sure, but from what I hear, Interim President Hamm is a fan of the old pigskin as well.

As proof check the current photo @ http://www.go-knights.net/
He's about @ the left 1/3 light orange shirt, 3rd row from top, next to former AD Grace.