FB: American Rivers Conference

[Fannosaurus Rex]

I have read the play by play of the Central game and now I'm ready to do my Monday morning quarterbacking.  The things that stand out to me are
1. Central's special teams aren't making the impact they did for the last couple of years.
2.  Albion was down 1 point with 24 seconds left in the game and they punted?
3. Central was up 1 point with 24 seconds left in the game and made a fair catch?  Seems to this Monday morning quarterback, I would of had everyone up watching for a fake and I would have told everyone not to even go near a punt and risk a turnover on my end of the field.

It is wonderful how smart I can be from so far away with so few facts.

[DutchFan2004]

Wasn't around a computer this weekend, so lots of reading to do today. 

Heys, thanks for the laughs, you have some great one-liners.

DF1, didn't make the game, or even hear much of it, but I would say the long trip on Friday took a lot out of the team.  Unlike Dubuque when the went to Redlands, we didn't leave until Friday morning and it would have been a long haul.  Plus, I think both Central and WB were off their games a bit this week because of last week's game.  I think both teams gave everything they had this week, and I'm with WH, that tends to lead to a let down, but I see it for both teams.  Finally, I didn't catch exactly what happened with the safety when we were punting out of the end zone, but watching the WB game where every snap went to the ground, we have got to find a long snapper that can get the ball right where it needs to be, in Brondyke's hands and mid-body.  I read that as of mid-week we had no game film on Albion, so if they didn't provide it, as other schools have faced this year, it is hard to know what to prepare for.

I understand the idea is you want to win the game.  And if it isn't in the contract then tough cookies.  But for me, I would want to win games with some integrity, and not because I resorted to not trading game film.  These kids are still learning their morals...not trading game film isn't the best example to be setting in my mind.  But I am probably in the minority on this. 

I'm with you on the integrity bit Doolittle.  I guess you could say you have integrity if it isn't in the contract, because you did what was required, but I would lose a lot of respect for my team if they were doing that.  I suspect Albion had our game film, but we didn't get any.  That could even things up really fast between teams of anticipated differing abilities and it could tilt things entirely to one side if the team not sharing is the anticipated better team. 

I have learned some things about this lately.  Exchanging videos can be difficult due to conference rules.  I know some conferences do not let schools exchange vidoes out of conference because once you let the videos out of your hands you have no control where they go.  So from what I understand some conference rules state that you have to get permisson from the school that you are giving tape to.  If that schools says no you can not give it out.  So there may be more to this integrity thing than you think of.  If a school won't let you give it out then you give it out any way that is not having the integrity you are speaking of.  That may be why there is no mention of video exchanges in non conference schools.  So this IMHO is a moot point as coaches know what they are going up against.  If both schools don't have video of each other then they are equally in the blind about each other's opponent. 

[Klopenhiemer]

Here is my actual video, I'm not sure who shot that other one. The vid shows a couple plays near the end of the game. On the last play you can see everyone come set, then crowd noise, then snap, then buzzer, then TD. It is hard to hear that weird buzzer of theirs, but it is there after the snap. It is a real bang-bang sequence and probably could have gone either way, but I think the refs actually got it right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6tBG569AVg

This isnt quite the conclusive video evidence that you posed yesterday.  After watching this many times, I think I can hear a buzzer go off right after the snap of the ball.  If this is the truth then a great win for Loras.  With all the people screaming its hard to actually understand if that is a buzzer.  I can not see the scoreboard in the video as it is very grainy.  I am not going to get into the legitamcy of the play, it was a great win for Loras, but I was hoping for a much better video. 

[digger]

I also was there in the endzone and it appeared to me that they got the snap off.
I cant say that I heard the buzzer but I was wathcing the clock and it was close. Just assuming the refs were watching and listening also.

[sportsknight]

Here's a poll question for this week.  
Which of the following starts to the conference season is most surprising:
BV starting 2-0
Coe starting 0-2
Dubuque starting 0-2?

OBVIOUSLY NOT B - Coe is 1-1
I'd say C

Damn.  I meant to say that they've started 1-3 overall this season.

[DutchFan2004]

I would agree that this was not conclusive.  There is no shot of the clock and I did not hear the horn.  I did think that the O was set before the snap. 

[du-sz]

Here is my actual video, I'm not sure who shot that other one. The vid shows a couple plays near the end of the game. On the last play you can see everyone come set, then crowd noise, then snap, then buzzer, then TD. It is hard to hear that weird buzzer of theirs, but it is there after the snap. It is a real bang-bang sequence and probably could have gone either way, but I think the refs actually got it right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6tBG569AVg

This isnt quite the conclusive video evidence that you posed yesterday.  After watching this many times, I think I can hear a buzzer go off right after the snap of the ball.  If this is the truth then a great win for Loras.  With all the people screaming its hard to actually understand if that is a buzzer.  I can not see the scoreboard in the video as it is very grainy.  I am not going to get into the legitamcy of the play, it was a great win for Loras, but I was hoping for a much better video. 

It is a little more difficult to pick everything out with the internet file quality. I wish the scoreboard would have been on the other end. I wanted to be close to the play but had to sacrfice seeing the scoreboard. The picture quality doesn't look too bad if you click the "watch in high quality" option. The buzzer is there, you might just have to play it a couple times.

But yeah, its a tough way to lose for Coe. Some calls didn't go their way and this tight play really could have gone the other way.  Congrats to both teams on playing a very exciting game no matter the outcome.

[Alfredeneumann]

Suggestion - Tie the play clock to the score board clock when game clock gets under 40 seconds. Like the 24 second shot clock is in basketball. More places for the zebras to look in situations like Sat. in CR.

[Kohawk Remedy]

Here is my actual video, I'm not sure who shot that other one. The vid shows a couple plays near the end of the game. On the last play you can see everyone come set, then crowd noise, then snap, then buzzer, then TD. It is hard to hear that weird buzzer of theirs, but it is there after the snap. It is a real bang-bang sequence and probably could have gone either way, but I think the refs actually got it right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6tBG569AVg

This isnt quite the conclusive video evidence that you posed yesterday.  After watching this many times, I think I can hear a buzzer go off right after the snap of the ball.  If this is the truth then a great win for Loras.  With all the people screaming its hard to actually understand if that is a buzzer.  I can not see the scoreboard in the video as it is very grainy.  I am not going to get into the legitamcy of the play, it was a great win for Loras, but I was hoping for a much better video. 

It is a little more difficult to pick everything out with the internet file quality. I wish the scoreboard would have been on the other end. I wanted to be close to the play but had to sacrfice seeing the scoreboard. The picture quality doesn't look too bad if you click the "watch in high quality" option. The buzzer is there, you might just have to play it a couple times.

But yeah, its a tough way to lose for Coe. Some calls didn't go their way and this tight play really could have gone the other way.  Congrats to both teams on playing a very exciting game no matter the outcome.

I'm not a physics genius by any means, but if I remember right (correct me if i'm wrong) I blieve the speed of sound is slower thant he speed of sight...therefore it would be best if the clock was in the picture

[Pat Coleman]

At 550 mph over the course of a few yards, I don't think the difference is measurable by humans.

[Kohawk Remedy]

At 550 mph over the course of a few yards, I don't think the difference is measurable by humans.

But what about recorded audio??

[doolittledog]

Isn't the reason they went to a tenth of a second clock in basketball because you still have a second left when the clock first hits zero?  That could be the case here.  The clock hit zero but the horn didn't go off because there were still 9/10 of a second left?  

[Pat Coleman]

No, the clock doesn't work that way, doolittledog.

Remedy: Are you advocating going to the video, then calculating the time it took to travel from the speaker to the microphone?

[Old Dutch]

I watched both youtubes and there's nothing conclusive either way, i'd say is was close enough you gotta go with what's called on the field.  For a lesson on goal line stands Kohawks could watch da' Bears from last night!!

Looks like it was a great game and indicates more parity in this league than we are used to.  combine that with the Cornell effort vs Warty, and Central's addiction to narrow escapes and all things are up in the air.  I only listened to the 2nd half of Dutch vs Brits, but The Dutch D slammed the door on the run but didn't do so well against the dump and dink passing game???
They need to find a corner to replace Baethke real quickly,sounded like the experimented with 3 Frosh Saturday.

Congrats to all the winners,  perhaps Jermar J. was conference MVP as DBQ seemed to drop off the most of any top teams form last year, at least thus far in the short season..

[duhawkdanran]

I can't believe people aren't willing to admit defeat. The ball clearly was snapped milliseconds before the buzzer. I have seen the actual tape and it concurs. Just admit you lost and be good sports. There are plenty of games left in the season!

Go Duhawks!