FB: American Rivers Conference

[Thunderbolt]

You need to keep things in perspective.  When it really gets bad for you is Saturday when Central pounds Luther.

Sure, your boys just come back from having tea and crumpets with the British, and now you want to pound Norwegians. I shouldn't be surprised. So do the British footballers wear those silly little skirts?

[DutchFan2004]

You need to keep things in perspective.  When it really gets bad for you is Saturday when Central pounds Luther.

Sure, your boys just come back from having tea and crumpets with the British, and now you want to pound Norwegians. I shouldn't be surprised. So do the British footballers wear those silly little skirts?

Those are Scots and Irish if I am not mistaken.   

[Purple Heys]

Purple I will have to disagree with you when the Wartburg announcer's were talking about the crowd from Cornell. I don't believe they were making fun of Cornell or blaming the players as they said it was a shame that not more people came to the game to support  a good team meaning Cornell. That was my take of the comment.

Maybe I'm a little sensitive, be they seemed, to me, to be making light of a situation that is really Purple....err...Apples to Oranges when comparing Wartburg attendance to Cornell.

No doubt thousands travel from Waverly to watch the games when contested at Ash Park...   

[Klopenhiemer]

And why is oil $95 a barrel and I am still paying over $4.00 per gallon in Chicago?  When oil hit over $120 a barrel I was paying close to the same price

I will leave this for someone to give a conviluted answer regarding supply/demand and the cost to refine

The first problem is that you live in Chicago.  Cook Co. has a much higher tax rate than all but 2 other citiies.  Im 65 west of you and it has been at about $3.75 here for most of the past week....it was @ $3.44 in Decorah a week ago.  The oil index dropped 141.12 today so you should see some drop in a couple of days.  The short answer for why they are charging $4/gal is...because they can.

I have my issues with Cook Co. and they make me want to puke most of the time.  Everything from the bottled water tax to the new county president.  The finest display of nepitsim ever seen.  If I did not enjoy all the recreation the city has to offer I would be moving closer to my office 60 miles dead west of the city in Kane Co.  I like it out there is a little more peacful, just not ready for the mom's and mini vans life yet!

[steelhawk]

Congrats to the victors over the weekend. They don't put descriptive words behind the numbers in the standings. Ugly, uninspired, controversial all count as 1-0.
  It is starting to look like there could be a big log jam in the middle this year.

Is the logjam going to be in the middle of the pack, or are we possibly looking at a repeat of 2004 when a 2-loss team won the conference?  I think the BV-Wartburg game will be a big determining factor!

[Alfredeneumann]

Purple I will have to disagree with you when the Wartburg announcer's were talking about the crowd from Cornell. I don't believe they were making fun of Cornell or blaming the players as they said it was a shame that not more people came to the game to support  a good team meaning Cornell. That was my take of the comment.

Maybe I'm a little sensitive, be they seemed, to me, to be making light of a situation that is really Purple....err...Apples to Oranges when comparing Wartburg attendance to Cornell.

No doubt thousands travel from Waverly to watch the games when contested at Ash Park...   

Year in and year out Wartburg does bring a large contingent of fans hit the road. I'd say the number of Wart fans on the road the rivals the amount of Central fans.

Last year Cornell's largest home game attendance WAS Wartburg.

[Klopenhiemer]

Purple I will have to disagree with you when the Wartburg announcer's were talking about the crowd from Cornell. I don't believe they were making fun of Cornell or blaming the players as they said it was a shame that not more people came to the game to support  a good team meaning Cornell. That was my take of the comment.

Maybe I'm a little sensitive, be they seemed, to me, to be making light of a situation that is really Purple....err...Apples to Oranges when comparing Wartburg attendance to Cornell.

No doubt thousands travel from Waverly to watch the games when contested at Ash Park...   

Year in and year out Wartburg does bring a large contingent of fans hit the road. I'd say the number of Wart fans on the road the rivals the amount of Central fans.

Last year Cornell's largest home game attendance WAS Wartburg.

Lets keep it real for a moment.  The MAJORITY of the traveling fans are the parrents and realatives of the players playing in the game.  Cornell has between 60-80 rostered and only travel in the middle 50's.  A large percentage of their players come from out of state.  Its pretty hard for PH to make every game and all the other parrents and realatives of the kids coming from all over God's green Earth.  Thus equaling a low traveling crowd.  Wartburg might travel well, but in my tenure they never brought the house to Storm Lake. 

[the_mayne_event]

Kohawk Remedy, no matter how terrible the referee's are, they never take the game from a team.  From what many other posters have said, Coe had plenty of opportunities to stop Loras and was even given some questionable calls as well.  I think someone said they were given an INT when the ball clearly hit the ground.  Even one of Coe's defensive ends Aaron Hadenfeldt said that if they had done their jobs, Loras wouldn't of even been in that situation at the end of the game.  

did loras even have any actual yardage that they earned that drive, or was it all penalties?

I can't believe people aren't willing to admit defeat. The ball clearly was snapped milliseconds before the buzzer. I have seen the actual tape and it concurs. Just admit you lost and be good sports. There are plenty of games left in the season!

Go Duhawks!

there is no tape, the person taping didnt the endzone shot didnt get the final play... unless there were 2 people taping the endzone shot.  i'm hoping the line about clearly seeing something in milliseconds is sarcastic

i was with a bunch of loras people that day, and most of them admitted that it had ran out

Umm? There is no tape?  This video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6tBG569AVg clearly shows the last play of the game.  On top of that du_sz and myself have the tape of that game in our possession and it clearly shows the final play.

I think you are in denial sir. You lost; get over it and look to next weeks game. It's a long season.

congrats, it shows the last play... it doesnt show the time, which is what i was saying.  there was no tape of the final play with the clock showing.  if you have it, why not show it?  is it because you dont want people to see what really happened? 
i know that this doenst make a difference, but it's terrible that these refs won't be disciplined, and have the chance to screw over another team.  am i bitter? or pissed? sure am.  i am not the only one.  every coe fan and player is pissed about this.  everyone else would be to.  you can't say you wouldnt be.  i hope it comes back to bite loras, by the same refs.  i was with plenty of loras people that said the clock had expired.  there is no way in hell that you can hear the buzzer go off, dont kid yourself.  call me bitter or whatever you want, but i just hate to see a win taken out of players hands.  yeah they shouldnt have been in that situation, you can say that, but they stopped them when it matters, and 60 minutes had been up, and the game should have been over.  they stuffed them on the final play of the game.

[Charlie Kohawk]

congrats, it shows the last play... it doesnt show the time, which is what i was saying.  there was no tape of the final play with the clock showing.  if you have it, why not show it?  is it because you dont want people to see what really happened? 
i know that this doenst make a difference, but it's terrible that these refs won't be disciplined, and have the chance to screw over another team.  am i bitter? or pissed? sure am.  i am not the only one.  every coe fan and player is pissed about this.  everyone else would be to.  you can't say you wouldnt be.  i hope it comes back to bite loras, by the same refs.  i was with plenty of loras people that said the clock had expired.  there is no way in hell that you can hear the buzzer go off, dont kid yourself.  call me bitter or whatever you want, but i just hate to see a win taken out of players hands.  yeah they shouldnt have been in that situation, you can say that, but they stopped them when it matters, and 60 minutes had been up, and the game should have been over.  they stuffed them on the final play of the game.

Amen, brother! This isn't sour grapes, it was robbery. I'm still hoarse and it wasn't from cheering. I was near the officials as they left the field and, like everyone in the house, was voicing my displeasure. One of them lunged toward me and yelled, "Why don't you do it?" Granted, it was an ugly scene. By reacting, this crew only made a bad situation worse. A suspension seems in order, but I'd settle for never having this group officiate another Coe game, home or away, ever.

[DutchFan2004]

congrats, it shows the last play... it doesnt show the time, which is what i was saying.  there was no tape of the final play with the clock showing.  if you have it, why not show it?  is it because you dont want people to see what really happened? 
i know that this doenst make a difference, but it's terrible that these refs won't be disciplined, and have the chance to screw over another team.  am i bitter? or pissed? sure am.  i am not the only one.  every coe fan and player is pissed about this.  everyone else would be to.  you can't say you wouldnt be.  i hope it comes back to bite loras, by the same refs.  i was with plenty of loras people that said the clock had expired.  there is no way in hell that you can hear the buzzer go off, dont kid yourself.  call me bitter or whatever you want, but i just hate to see a win taken out of players hands.  yeah they shouldnt have been in that situation, you can say that, but they stopped them when it matters, and 60 minutes had been up, and the game should have been over.  they stuffed them on the final play of the game.

Amen, brother! This isn't sour grapes, it was robbery. I'm still hoarse and it wasn't from cheering. I was near the officials as they left the field and, like everyone in the house, was voicing my displeasure. One of them lunged toward me and yelled, "Why don't you do it?" Granted, it was an ugly scene. By reacting, this crew only made a bad situation worse. A suspension seems in order, but I'd settle for never having this group officiate another Coe game, home or away, ever.

I agree that the ref should not have said that.  The best move would have been is to keep mouth shut and get the heck out of there.

[LCNorse]

I'm sure the conference will do something if they see some evidence that it was a bad call. In 2006 the refs made a phantom block in the back call on a punt block return for a TD that would have won the game for us verse Central. Later the next week the conference sent us a letter apologizing for the mistake and saying that we wouldn't have that crew the rest of the year. Realistically it sucked to lose the game that way but in the long run it doesn't really matter. We shouldn't have been in the situation to let the refs decide that game...I would hope the players at Coe still aren't crying about it and are moved on or this could be more then a game changing mistake, it could be a season changing mistake. Here is to hoping Coe knows how to respond...

[Ash Park]

I'm never one to really cheer for Coe or care to take their side, but in this case I must. Now I also I agree with Aaron Hadenfeldt who was quoted as saying that if they would have done their job, played to their abilities and been disciplined they would have never been in that situation.

The reason that I take the Coe side on all of this is because I have a buddy who is a loras grad that lives in CR now and was at the game Saturday. He told me that yes the refs were horrible and both teams got a taste of their crappy calls, but Coe was on the worst end of it. He told me the same thing that all the coe people are saying which is that the clock clearly hit ALL ZEROES before the ball was snapped. Him and his old college buddies started cursing because they thought they didn't get off and lost the game.

Obviously it isn't going to change but just thought I would share that there are more people than just Coe supporters that think they got a raw deal.

[Charlie Kohawk]

Here is to hoping Coe knows how to respond...

Thanks and I have no worries there. Teams with chips on their shoulders are dangerous.

[DutchFan2004]

I was not there I can not tell from the video what happened but I have a hard time accepting that a crew would intentionally call a game to decide the outcome.  I would hope that officials have no steak in the outcome and do not care who wins.  


One thing I do have a question on is the third to last play was that for a first down?  I did not see the white hat signal one after the play?  I did see the Line Judge stop the clock to mark the spot so I figured that it must have been for a first down.

[Charlie Kohawk]

Obviously it isn't going to change but just thought I would share that there are more people than just Coe supporters that think they got a raw deal.

Wow. Even a Ham is on our side on this one. Thanks Ash. +k