FB: American Rivers Conference

[Floyd in Iowa City]

I can't believe people aren't willing to admit defeat. The ball clearly was snapped milliseconds before the buzzer. I have seen the actual tape and it concurs. Just admit you lost and be good sports. There are plenty of games left in the season!

Go Duhawks!

Not to pick too hard at the scabs here, but I distinctly remember Coe, Central, and Wartburg fans a few years ago (around 2005) talking about how the good programs do not use the refs as an excuse for a losing performance.  

I think the fan bases at the other IIAC schools besides those three have done a lot more griping about the refs in the last decade.  When you play lots of close games or are always having to play close to the talent level just to win, it would make sense that the refs and all kinds of other factors play a bigger role.  Coe has played a tougher schedule so far this year, but the program clearly is having a 2008 season so far that reminds me more of Luther Football (good stats, too many losses) than Coe Football in recent years.

I personally think you can blame a game or two over a five year period on the refs.  Iowa's loss to Michigan in 2005 and Luther's loss to St. Olaf in 2006 were very badly officiated games.  The Norse might have lost to the Oles anyway, but there was a side judge that should never be allowed to work again in that profession.

Has Coe had about one .500 season in the past 10 years?  Like Luther last season, I expect Coe will turn this early record into something around .500 by the end of the year.

Is Coe moving towards being a wrestling school?   It seems like whatever thunder Coach O has going, it really picked up steam in these last couple of years at a time when the football program has sagged a little from its position earlier in the decade.  I am sure the football program will be fine, but I am still amazed at how much the wrestling program took off all of sudden after being solid for some time.

[Alfredeneumann]

Since the topic of other sports @ Coe has been brought up, any Kohawks tell me/us what's going on w/ Volleyball? Picked to win conf. and now 0-4 in conf + 3-14 overall?

[Kohawk Remedy]

Has Coe had about one .500 season in the past 10 years?  Like Luther last season, I expect Coe will turn this early record into something around .500 by the end of the year.

Is Coe moving towards being a wrestling school?   It seems like whatever thunder Coach O has going, it really picked up steam in these last couple of years at a time when the football program has sagged a little from its position earlier in the decade.  I am sure the football program will be fine, but I am still amazed at how much the wrestling program took off all of sudden after being solid for some time.

Coe went 3-5 in IIAC play and 5-5 overall in 2003 which was a result from many injuries throughout the season.  As far as Coe becoming a Wrestling school - they are def. getting better and are competing nationally because Coach O is a man child!

[Purple Heys]

I can't believe people aren't willing to admit defeat. The ball clearly was snapped milliseconds before the buzzer. I have seen the actual tape and it concurs. Just admit you lost and be good sports. There are plenty of games left in the season!

Go Duhawks!

Not to pick too hard at the scabs here, but I distinctly remember Coe, Central, and Wartburg fans a few years ago (around 2005) talking about how the good programs do not use the refs as an excuse for a losing performance.  

I think the fan bases at the other IIAC schools besides those three have done a lot more griping about the refs in the last decade.  When you play lots of close games or are always having to play close to the talent level just to win, it would make sense that the refs and all kinds of other factors play a bigger role.  Coe has played a tougher schedule so far this year, but the program clearly is having a 2008 season so far that reminds me more of Luther Football (good stats, too many losses) than Coe Football in recent years.

I personally think you can blame a game or two over a five year period on the refs.  Iowa's loss to Michigan in 2005 and Luther's loss to St. Olaf in 2006 were very badly officiated games.  The Norse might have lost to the Oles anyway, but there was a side judge that should never be allowed to work again in that profession.

Has Coe had about one .500 season in the past 10 years?  Like Luther last season, I expect Coe will turn this early record into something around .500 by the end of the year.

Is Coe moving towards being a wrestling school?   It seems like whatever thunder Coach O has going, it really picked up steam in these last couple of years at a time when the football program has sagged a little from its position earlier in the decade.  I am sure the football program will be fine, but I am still amazed at how much the wrestling program took off all of sudden after being solid for some time.

Dear Floyd,

The Refs can NEVER cost a team a game.

Signed,

Norv Turner

[Kohawk Remedy]

Since the topic of other sports @ Coe has been brought up, any Kohawks tell me/us what's going on w/ Volleyball? Picked to win conf. and now 0-4 in conf + 3-14 overall?

When I heard the volleyball team was picked I asked a former player and she was very suprised about it, and even said that Coe's coach was suprised by the pick.  I think maybe other coaches thought that there were good underclassmen or freshmen coming in, becuase I know they lost quite a bit of seniors from last years team. 

[Floyd in Iowa City]

I'm sure the conference will do something if they see some evidence that it was a bad call. In 2006 the refs made a phantom block in the back call on a punt block return for a TD that would have won the game for us verse Central. Later the next week the conference sent us a letter apologizing for the mistake and saying that we wouldn't have that crew the rest of the year. Realistically it sucked to lose the game that way but in the long run it doesn't really matter. We shouldn't have been in the situation to let the refs decide that game...I would hope the players at Coe still aren't crying about it and are moved on or this could be more then a game changing mistake, it could be a season changing mistake. Here is to hoping Coe knows how to respond...

That contest against the Dutch was the other recent game I was thinking of!  The refs admitting they messed up didn't really do much for me.  That was a great day in Decorah right up until the end of the game.

[Floyd in Iowa City]

In defense of the kohawk fans that were quite angry at the end of the game.
There is no way the concession stand could have kept up with the demand of a crowd of 5,535.
Everyone was thirsty and hungry at the end of the game.

Did they add some legit opposing bleachers or other seating to increase capacity?  Coe's seating capacity has always reminded me of going to a couple Upper Iowa games in the early decade in that the home team has a newer looking grandstand, but it isn't very big and the opposing side has limited seating capacity.

Unlike Upper Iowa in Fayette, Coe does play games in a bigger city.  I assume they also play 2-3 home games every year against either an opponent who travels in recent years (Wartburg, Central, Luther as examples), or they have homecoming or the Cornell rivalry game to bring alumni out.

The program has played enough games of interest in recent years to think that the administration could increase capacity.  Is it still a space issue as well?

[DBQ1965]

At this point, I would rate the Duhawks as the good surprise team of the IIAC and the DDQ as the bad surprise team.

I hate to see UD classified as the "bad surprise team" ... but that may be closer to the truth than any other way of describing it.

[DutchFan2004]

In defense of the kohawk fans that were quite angry at the end of the game.
There is no way the concession stand could have kept up with the demand of a crowd of 5,535.
Everyone was thirsty and hungry at the end of the game.

Did they add some legit opposing bleachers or other seating to increase capacity?  Coe's seating capacity has always reminded me of going to a couple Upper Iowa games in the early decade in that the home team has a newer looking grandstand, but it isn't very big and the opposing side has limited seating capacity.

Unlike Upper Iowa in Fayette, Coe does play games in a bigger city.  I assume they also play 2-3 home games every year against either an opponent who travels in recent years (Wartburg, Central, Luther as examples), or they have homecoming or the Cornell rivalry game to bring alumni out.

The program has played enough games of interest in recent years to think that the administration could increase capacity.  Is it still a space issue as well?

Even if they wanted to keep the seating all on the same side they should increase seating. 

[Klopenhiemer]

So what does this economy situation do to private colleges as they attempt to recruit students at $30,000 a pop?

Great question. I guess I'll be keeping my college job (unless those same officials show up on campus again).

Private colleges are going to face a very challenging year.  Increasingly high school counselors and financial planners are telling students and parents to get the first two years at a community college.  Private colleges have done well to maintain enrollments against that environment, add the pressures of this economy and we could see financial struggles hit our alma maters like never before as more and more families will see that as the only choice and not even give our schools a fair chance to compete.  The regents will also likely see a bump from this.  Of course the flip side is that in a down economy more students opt for college when the job market is tight. 

What kind of job can one expect without a college degree?  They could go to a technical school and learn a technical trade.  They could join a union such as the carpenters, plumbers, iron workers, ect and go through their apprentiship program.  They could go to some other type of scpecialized school that might deal with fire, automotives, or anything else that does not need a tradional 4 year degree.  All of these still require some type of financing other than the Union Apprentiships.  Those guys have to buy tools so that is their cost of tuition.  With the lending markets being tight right now its going to be especially tough on everyone.  If a student does not go to college of tech school they can plan on saying would you like fries with that or paper or plastic sir for the rest of their lives. 

[TrainsEqualCrowdNoise]

So what does this economy situation do to private colleges as they attempt to recruit students at $30,000 a pop?

Great question. I guess I'll be keeping my college job (unless those same officials show up on campus again).

Private colleges are going to face a very challenging year.  Increasingly high school counselors and financial planners are telling students and parents to get the first two years at a community college.  Private colleges have done well to maintain enrollments against that environment, add the pressures of this economy and we could see financial struggles hit our alma maters like never before as more and more families will see that as the only choice and not even give our schools a fair chance to compete.  The regents will also likely see a bump from this.  Of course the flip side is that in a down economy more students opt for college when the job market is tight. 

What kind of job can one expect without a college degree?  They could go to a technical school and learn a technical trade.  They could join a union such as the carpenters, plumbers, iron workers, ect and go through their apprentiship program.  They could go to some other type of scpecialized school that might deal with fire, automotives, or anything else that does not need a tradional 4 year degree.  All of these still require some type of financing other than the Union Apprentiships.  Those guys have to buy tools so that is their cost of tuition.  With the lending markets being tight right now its going to be especially tough on everyone.  If a student does not go to college of tech school they can plan on saying would you like fries with that or paper or plastic sir for the rest of their lives. 

With a tough job market, it just makes it that much harder to get a job regardless of whether or not you have a degree.  I will disagree with you that people without degrees should plan on working fast food, as there are plenty of jobs that do not require a degree  or where a degree is just recommended.  Things being so tough puts an extra emphasis on who you know, and just getting your foot in the door.  My brother went to a technical school to become a carpenter and entered the Union as an apprentice, and still he was laid off a month ago and is currently doing odd jobs for private contractors just to bring home money.  If he didn't have contacts with these private companies, who knows what he would have to do to find work.  I also know some one who just graduated from high school, that was given a job as an administrative assistant, but only because the person who hired her was a long time family friend.  So I think with things being the way they are, it becomes even more so on who you know, rather than your qualifications.

[dutchfan1]

So what does this economy situation do to private colleges as they attempt to recruit students at $30,000 a pop?

Great question. I guess I'll be keeping my college job (unless those same officials show up on campus again).

Private colleges are going to face a very challenging year.  Increasingly high school counselors and financial planners are telling students and parents to get the first two years at a community college.  Private colleges have done well to maintain enrollments against that environment, add the pressures of this economy and we could see financial struggles hit our alma maters like never before as more and more families will see that as the only choice and not even give our schools a fair chance to compete.  The regents will also likely see a bump from this.  Of course the flip side is that in a down economy more students opt for college when the job market is tight. 

What kind of job can one expect without a college degree?  They could go to a technical school and learn a technical trade.  They could join a union such as the carpenters, plumbers, iron workers, ect and go through their apprentiship program.  They could go to some other type of scpecialized school that might deal with fire, automotives, or anything else that does not need a tradional 4 year degree.  All of these still require some type of financing other than the Union Apprentiships.  Those guys have to buy tools so that is their cost of tuition.  With the lending markets being tight right now its going to be especially tough on everyone.  If a student does not go to college of tech school they can plan on saying would you like fries with that or paper or plastic sir for the rest of their lives. 

That's not necessarily true. Quite a few former co-workers at Wells Fargo had pretty cushy jobs and no degree. (For a while, I had higher educational attainment than all of my supervisors and managers....which is a little sad, by the way.) Several people are going to school now because their employers will pay for it through an educational reimbursement program of some sort. In exchange for a "true college experience" these guys trade for zero debt upon graduation.

[Norsedad]

So what does this economy situation do to private colleges as they attempt to recruit students at $30,000 a pop?

Great question. I guess I'll be keeping my college job (unless those same officials show up on campus again).

Private colleges are going to face a very challenging year.  Increasingly high school counselors and financial planners are telling students and parents to get the first two years at a community college.  Private colleges have done well to maintain enrollments against that environment, add the pressures of this economy and we could see financial struggles hit our alma maters like never before as more and more families will see that as the only choice and not even give our schools a fair chance to compete.  The regents will also likely see a bump from this.  Of course the flip side is that in a down economy more students opt for college when the job market is tight. 

What kind of job can one expect without a college degree?  They could go to a technical school and learn a technical trade.  They could join a union such as the carpenters, plumbers, iron workers, ect and go through their apprentiship program.  They could go to some other type of scpecialized school that might deal with fire, automotives, or anything else that does not need a tradional 4 year degree.  All of these still require some type of financing other than the Union Apprentiships.  Those guys have to buy tools so that is their cost of tuition.  With the lending markets being tight right now its going to be especially tough on everyone.  If a student does not go to college of tech school they can plan on saying would you like fries with that or paper or plastic sir for the rest of their lives. 

With a tough job market, it just makes it that much harder to get a job regardless of whether or not you have a degree.  I will disagree with you that people without degrees should plan on working fast food, as there are plenty of jobs that do not require a degree  or where a degree is just recommended.  Things being so tough puts an extra emphasis on who you know, and just getting your foot in the door.  My brother went to a technical school to become a carpenter and entered the Union as an apprentice, and still he was laid off a month ago and is currently doing odd jobs for private contractors just to bring home money.  If he didn't have contacts with these private companies, who knows what he would have to do to find work.  I also know some one who just graduated from high school, that was given a job as an administrative assistant, but only because the person who hired her was a long time family friend.  So I think with things being the way they are, it becomes even more so on who you know, rather than your qualifications.

Or they could run for a seat in Congress, take kick-backs, monies from special interest groups, give prepared speaches, and generally BS their way thru life.

[Norsedad]

opps....on the typo...speech.  I also forgot to add to the list...get a ghost writer and pen an insider and throughly uninformed book of the state of America.

[Charlie Kohawk]

I know this is a football board, but I bet me and Heys are the only one's saying, "How 'bout the Dodgers?!"