FB: American Rivers Conference

[Klopenhiemer]

Just FYI...the small town, small college definitely held an attraction to Jr.'s decision process.  Our drive up the hill in Mt. Vernon and down the street to Cornell was very memorable.

And I will say again, Cornell's football record and future prospects or any reputation in that regard was so for down the list as to being a non-issue.

I do remember mentioning to him as we sent in his $300.00 check, "you're going to probably play for a team that loses more games than it wins..."  He shrugged and said, "Well, I'll just have to help them win some then."

I think he could've helped most of the teams in the IIAC.   

When I went to BV people said the same thing.  Why wouldnt you go to Central or Wartburg and have a chance to win.  I said BV was a middle of the road team, and how sweet would it be if we actually won the conference while I was there.  I liked the campus, the coaching staff, and the players.  People have said alot of things about Osty, but I tell you what he earned some points with me when I got hurt and he retianed me and let me help out with the d-line.  I met my parrents on that day and I can still remember him giving my mother a hug and stating that I was still apart of the program and would still be able to stick around.  We never won the conference and pissed the only good chance we ever had down our leg, but the experience and what I learned is all I need.  Even thought my right ring finger tells him hes lonley some days

Good points.  Not everyone can go to Central or Wartburg.  There is not enough PT for all.  Also the academic side comes into play.  As PH has stated Cornell's class schedule was attractive to his son.  SK went to Wartburg for the Com Arts major you can not get that at Central.  IMHO all of the IIAC schools have their strengths for academics.  That is the bottom line for D3 players. 

You completely and utterly missed the point.  I could have went to Central or Wartburg, but did not.  I wanted to make something at someplace that had not been made in a while.  To infer that Central and Wartburg are so holly that some of us people who come from the lesser class have to go to other schools to get playing time is a complete crock of crap. 

[Norsedad]

Is it Saturday yet???

[kohawkfan]

And I will say again, Cornell's football record and future prospects or any reputation in that regard was so for down the list as to being a non-issue.



When I went to BV people said the same thing.  Why wouldnt you go to Central or Wartburg and have a chance to win.  I said BV was a middle of the road team, and how sweet would it be if we actually won the conference while I was there.  I liked the campus, the coaching staff, and the players.
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Good points.  Not everyone can go to Central or Wartburg.  There is not enough PT for all.  Also the academic side comes into play.  As PH has stated Cornell's class schedule was attractive to his son.  SK went to Wartburg for the Com Arts major you can not get that at Central.  IMHO all of the IIAC schools have their strengths for academics.  That is the bottom line for D3 players. 
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It's interesting to see how college selection decisions come about.  My situation was a bit different.  Back in the day, I went to a NCC (D2) school and played some round ball.  Loved it and wouldn't have changed a thing.   Eventhough I've gone on to get an additional degree from another institution, I feel (like probably most of you do too) that who I am was molded by those 4 years of undergrad.  I always just figured my kid would have a similar post secondary experience.  When my child was looking at colleges (and they were looking at him) he could have  gone on an athletic scholarship to a D2 school in MN (for 1/4 of the $$ of most IIAC schools).   We visited and it was a very nice school, he would have been red-shirted his freshman year and I wouldn't have minded saving myself some green!  But the drawback was  the "away" locations on the schedule!  We're talking some major weekend roadtrips- Bemidji, Duluth, Moorhead, etc.  He also received interest from most of the IIAC schools.  I won't lie-it took me awhile to warm up to the idea of D3.  But,  I checked around and found that most of the IIAC colleges were academically sound and athletically pretty competitive.  The kid did a few overnight visits and made his decision.  I'm sure campus, coaching staff, and players played a part of that decision.  And boy, has it been nice to only have to travel an hour or 2 to an away game! 

[DutchFan2004]

Just FYI...the small town, small college definitely held an attraction to Jr.'s decision process.  Our drive up the hill in Mt. Vernon and down the street to Cornell was very memorable.

And I will say again, Cornell's football record and future prospects or any reputation in that regard was so for down the list as to being a non-issue.

I do remember mentioning to him as we sent in his $300.00 check, "you're going to probably play for a team that loses more games than it wins..."  He shrugged and said, "Well, I'll just have to help them win some then."

I think he could've helped most of the teams in the IIAC.   

When I went to BV people said the same thing.  Why wouldnt you go to Central or Wartburg and have a chance to win.  I said BV was a middle of the road team, and how sweet would it be if we actually won the conference while I was there.  I liked the campus, the coaching staff, and the players.  People have said alot of things about Osty, but I tell you what he earned some points with me when I got hurt and he retianed me and let me help out with the d-line.  I met my parrents on that day and I can still remember him giving my mother a hug and stating that I was still apart of the program and would still be able to stick around.  We never won the conference and pissed the only good chance we ever had down our leg, but the experience and what I learned is all I need.  Even thought my right ring finger tells him hes lonley some days

Good points.  Not everyone can go to Central or Wartburg.  There is not enough PT for all.  Also the academic side comes into play.  As PH has stated Cornell's class schedule was attractive to his son.  SK went to Wartburg for the Com Arts major you can not get that at Central.  IMHO all of the IIAC schools have their strengths for academics.  That is the bottom line for D3 players. 

You completely and utterly missed the point.  I could have went to Central or Wartburg, but did not.  I wanted to make something at someplace that had not been made in a while.  To infer that Central and Wartburg are so holly that some of us people who come from the lesser class have to go to other schools to get playing time is a complete crock of crap. 

And you missed my point.  What kind of conference would we have if everyone went to two schools.  I was agreeing with you.  I think that if you read the whole post I think there is more to a decision of playing football at a school than just the football program.  There is the degree to consider.  There is the chance you may not fit into the program or like the coach.  I never once implied that Central and Wartburg are Holy.  Where did you read into this statement? 

[Klopenhiemer]

Just FYI...the small town, small college definitely held an attraction to Jr.'s decision process.  Our drive up the hill in Mt. Vernon and down the street to Cornell was very memorable.

And I will say again, Cornell's football record and future prospects or any reputation in that regard was so for down the list as to being a non-issue.

I do remember mentioning to him as we sent in his $300.00 check, "you're going to probably play for a team that loses more games than it wins..."  He shrugged and said, "Well, I'll just have to help them win some then."

I think he could've helped most of the teams in the IIAC.   

When I went to BV people said the same thing.  Why wouldnt you go to Central or Wartburg and have a chance to win.  I said BV was a middle of the road team, and how sweet would it be if we actually won the conference while I was there.  I liked the campus, the coaching staff, and the players.  People have said alot of things about Osty, but I tell you what he earned some points with me when I got hurt and he retianed me and let me help out with the d-line.  I met my parrents on that day and I can still remember him giving my mother a hug and stating that I was still apart of the program and would still be able to stick around.  We never won the conference and pissed the only good chance we ever had down our leg, but the experience and what I learned is all I need.  Even thought my right ring finger tells him hes lonley some days

Good points.  Not everyone can go to Central or Wartburg.  There is not enough PT for all.  Also the academic side comes into play.  As PH has stated Cornell's class schedule was attractive to his son.  SK went to Wartburg for the Com Arts major you can not get that at Central.  IMHO all of the IIAC schools have their strengths for academics.  That is the bottom line for D3 players. 

You completely and utterly missed the point.  I could have went to Central or Wartburg, but did not.  I wanted to make something at someplace that had not been made in a while.  To infer that Central and Wartburg are so holly that some of us people who come from the lesser class have to go to other schools to get playing time is a complete crock of crap. 

And you missed my point.  What kind of conference would we have if everyone went to two schools.  I was agreeing with you.  I think that if you read the whole post I think there is more to a decision of playing football at a school than just the football program.  There is the degree to consider.  There is the chance you may not fit into the program or like the coach.  I never once implied that Central and Wartburg are Holy.  Where did you read into this statement? 

Half the time your posts restate what everyone else said and I did read your post several times before I responded.  If you read the whole post you would understand that my post was fueled by Heys post and went from there. 

If you are looking to make your point more clear, you might want to look at changing your words.  Stating that not everyone can go to Wartburg or Central leaves people thinking that you are taking a hollier than you approach.  A better use of words would be saying that not everyone wants to go to Warburg or Central and some players are more inclined to go to schools for other reason that the win/loss record of the football team.

[Klopenhiemer]

Well we are a little slow on here today so I will try to create some conversation.  Which one of these senarios is the most likely to occur an why?

Cornell wins a conference game in 2008

Wartburg win the IIAC title

Luther wins the IIAC title

Buena Vista wins the IIAC title

There is a 3 way tie for the conference title between Luther, Buean Vista, and Wartburg. 

I will go with the 3 way tie because I think BV will win out, Wartburg will win out, and Luther will drop one close game.  I think the Dutch lose another close game and the rest is a mismash in the middle. 

[KCDutch]

I will go with the 3 way tie because I think BV will win out, Wartburg will win out, and Luther will drop one close game.  I think the Dutch lose another close game and the rest is a mismash in the middle. 

If BV wins out, it is quite obvious the Dutch will lose at least 1 more game.

[Klopenhiemer]

I will go with the 3 way tie because I think BV will win out, Wartburg will win out, and Luther will drop one close game.  I think the Dutch lose another close game and the rest is a mismash in the middle. 

If BV wins out, it is quite obvious the Dutch will lose at least 1 more game.

Man I am stupid arnt I KC.  What I was implying is that BV wins out and Central loses another close game on top of that. 

[KCDutch]

I will go with the 3 way tie because I think BV will win out, Wartburg will win out, and Luther will drop one close game.  I think the Dutch lose another close game and the rest is a mismash in the middle. 

If BV wins out, it is quite obvious the Dutch will lose at least 1 more game.

Man I am stupid arnt I KC.  What I was implying is that BV wins out and Central loses another close game on top of that. 

Nope, just either captain obvious or not clear (to me).  I went w/ captain obvious........

[the_mayne_event]

i would say no to Cornell
Luther will lose 2 more games (wartburg and coe).
BV will lose at least 1 more game (Coe, possibly Central)
Wartburg wins out.

[Walston Hoover]

If Wartburg and BV win out, Luther is tied for 3rd with someone.

[sc_stormchaser]

Here's a long, long shot scenario from a Simpson fan.  Simpson wins out. (beats Wartburg, Loras, Dubuque and Central). Easy enough That would eliminate Loras and Central. Wartburg beats Luther. BV loses to Coe and Central. BV is eliminated. Simpson, Luther and Wartburg are tied at 6-2. Simpson wins the tie-breaker based on head-to-head competition.

It's that easy.

[Thunderbolt]

Well we are a little slow on here today so I will try to create some conversation.  Which one of these senarios is the most likely to occur an why?

Cornell wins a conference game in 2008

Wartburg win the IIAC title

Luther wins the IIAC title

Buena Vista wins the IIAC title

There is a 3 way tie for the conference title between Luther, Buean Vista, and Wartburg. 

I will go with the 3 way tie because I think BV will win out, Wartburg will win out, and Luther will drop one close game.  I think the Dutch lose another close game and the rest is a mismash in the middle. 

From most likely to least:

1) BV wins because they own the tie breaker with Wartburg.
1A) Wartburg runs the table and BV slips up once.
3) Luther by winning out or some combination of two loss teams @ the top.
4) None of the above. See Central, Simpson, Loras, Dubuque and Coe scenerios.
5) Cornell wins a game.
6)A three way tie with Luther, BV and Wartburg. That can't happen unless all three have two losses, and if that happens look for another team or two to join the party.

[Klopenhiemer]

Here's a long, long shot scenario from a Simpson fan.  Simpson wins out. (beats Wartburg, Loras, Dubuque and Central). Easy enough That would eliminate Loras and Central. Wartburg beats Luther. BV loses to Coe and Central. BV is eliminated. Simpson, Luther and Wartburg are tied at 6-2. Simpson wins the tie-breaker based on head-to-head competition.

It's that easy.

All things considered, I could see it happening!!!

[Thunderbolt]

 BV and Wartburg have done the most work so far and have the easier road. BV at Coe and Cornell where neither team has won yet and Central at home. Wartburg with just the Simpson game left on the road.