FB: American Rivers Conference

[DutchFan2004]

Walston,

Congrats on the win.  Keep it rolling. 

Thanks. We were lucky to come away with that one. Blocked 2 punts and had a soph pick off 2 passes and recover a fumble.
With that said, we had to score a TD with 25 seconds left to win. Kind of tells you how the rest of the game went.
No such thing as an ugly win in the playoffs though.

So true.  It does not matter how you win just so you do.  You have seen it from the Dutch the last three years. 

[kohawkfan]

DF2004 -  What are they going to do in Pella having to eat crow all year from the other Dutch settlement whose Big Red (yeah right) are doing well and nationally ranked.  Not a Central fan needless to say but I hate to have anyone from OC have bragging rights.  Man you're letting me down. 

Are you talking about NAIA ranked Northwestern?     I don't think anyone in Pella cares about NAIA football. 

99% of the time the Pella Dutch roll the Orange City Dutch hands down. 

The top tier of NAIA can not compete with the middle to top tier d3 teams. 

Have you seen the top tier NAIA teams play lately??  
First of all, the University of Sioux Falls has 8 wins and 0 losses so far this season.  USF has scored 318 points to date while allowing only 24.  No, that's not a typo-24 total points allowed all season!  One of USF's wins was a 19-0 shut out of Northwestern (the other Hollander team in the state).  USF has made the playoffs 4 times since 2001 and they were National Champions in 2006.  
Close behind is Morningside also having 8 wins and 0 losses so far this season.  M'side has scored 376 points to date while allowing 82.  USF plays M'side Nov. 15 in Sioux Falls.  M'side has made the playoffs in the last 4 years.  
Northwestern has 7 wins and 2 losses (to USF and Morningside) so far.  N'western has scored 282 points to date while allowing 95.  N'western has made the playoffs three times since 2000.
Now, let's look at some teams in the IIAC-
Wartburg has 7 wins and 2 losses so far this season.  W'burg has scored 242 points and allowed 148.  W'burg has made the playoffs 3 times since 2002.
Buena Vista U has 6 wins and 2 losses so far this season.  BVU has scored 187 points and allowed 109 points.  I'm unaware if BV has ever made the playoffs.
Loras has 5 wins and 3 losses so far this season.  Loras has scored 213 points and has allowed 151 points.  I'm not aware if Loras has ever made the playoffs.
Central  has 5 wins and 3 losses so far this season.  Central has scored 186 points and has allowed 141 points.  Central has made the playoffs 5 times since 2000.

I would reconsider wanting to tangle with any of the above NAIA teams.  Just sayin'...  

[BeaverOfYore]

USF, NW, and Morningside's lopsided victories say a lot more about their opponents than they do about their own teams.  USF would likely be a powerhouse in the IIAC most years, but the other two teams would probably be a Coe or BV (between 3-5 in conference, typically) most years.  Playoff appearances are misleading because the percentage of teams who make it in NAIA is always much higher than in D3.  The teams above play in the GPAC, which annually sends two teams to the playoffs without fail and has sent three.

I have heard from very reliable sources that BV has attempted to schedule GPAC teams (read: Morningside and NW) for non-conference games, and those teams want nothing to do with it.  BV does play them in JV every year, and the games are always very close.  Until they want to tangle with the boys in the IIAC on the varsity level, that's the best gauge we have of those teams.

Parity in the IIAC is not a bad thing, and average point differential within the conference is a poor way to compare us to another conference.

[dbljay21]

Finally.....dbljay21 has come back to the IIAC board!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The IT dept has had this site fire-walled and I have been unable to participate in the always colorful banter between the regulars on the IIAC board.  But I am back now so here we go....

I look forward to getting into the discussion as the playoffs near and I hope that everyone is doing well.   

Are you still coaching? If so how did the season go?

Yep, still coaching...season isn't over yet.  We qualified for State playoffs again.  First time in school history that Curie has gone back-to-back as a State qualifier.  We got our butts handed to us by a dominant Bolingbrook team in the first round, though.  Watch for the name Roosevelt Holiday, college football fans.  He plays DT for the Brook and he is a monster.  6'3" listed as 300, but probably 285.  He is quick off the ball, strong, light on his feet and fast for his size. 

Curie has a 2nd round Prep Bowl game on Thursday against Lincoln Park.  We beat them during the season 41-20.  It was 41-6 when we pulled our starters at the end of the 3rd quarter.  We should get a victory on Thursday and move on to play again next week.  I will keep you updated

[DutchFan2004]

DF2004 -  What are they going to do in Pella having to eat crow all year from the other Dutch settlement whose Big Red (yeah right) are doing well and nationally ranked.  Not a Central fan needless to say but I hate to have anyone from OC have bragging rights.  Man you're letting me down. 

Are you talking about NAIA ranked Northwestern?     I don't think anyone in Pella cares about NAIA football. 

99% of the time the Pella Dutch roll the Orange City Dutch hands down. 

The top tier of NAIA can not compete with the middle to top tier d3 teams. 

Have you seen the top tier NAIA teams play lately??  
First of all, the University of Sioux Falls has 8 wins and 0 losses so far this season.  USF has scored 318 points to date while allowing only 24.  No, that's not a typo-24 total points allowed all season!  One of USF's wins was a 19-0 shut out of Northwestern (the other Hollander team in the state).  USF has made the playoffs 4 times since 2001 and they were National Champions in 2006.  
Close behind is Morningside also having 8 wins and 0 losses so far this season.  M'side has scored 376 points to date while allowing 82.  USF plays M'side Nov. 15 in Sioux Falls.  M'side has made the playoffs in the last 4 years.  
Northwestern has 7 wins and 2 losses (to USF and Morningside) so far.  N'western has scored 282 points to date while allowing 95.  N'western has made the playoffs three times since 2000.
Now, let's look at some teams in the IIAC-
Wartburg has 7 wins and 2 losses so far this season.  W'burg has scored 242 points and allowed 148.  W'burg has made the playoffs 3 times since 2002.
Buena Vista U has 6 wins and 2 losses so far this season.  BVU has scored 187 points and allowed 109 points.  I'm unaware if BV has ever made the playoffs.
Loras has 5 wins and 3 losses so far this season.  Loras has scored 213 points and has allowed 151 points.  I'm not aware if Loras has ever made the playoffs.
Central  has 5 wins and 3 losses so far this season.  Central has scored 186 points and has allowed 141 points.  Central has made the playoffs 5 times since 2000.

I would reconsider wanting to tangle with any of the above NAIA teams.  Just sayin'...  

Looking at the GPAC Conference standings They don't look all that outstanding.  They do have 12 teams so that is a little hard to compare the IIAC with them.  I would not concede that they are a superior conference in any way.  Comparable maybe but not superior. 

[Klopenhiemer]

DF2004 -  What are they going to do in Pella having to eat crow all year from the other Dutch settlement whose Big Red (yeah right) are doing well and nationally ranked.  Not a Central fan needless to say but I hate to have anyone from OC have bragging rights.  Man you're letting me down. 

Are you talking about NAIA ranked Northwestern?     I don't think anyone in Pella cares about NAIA football. 

99% of the time the Pella Dutch roll the Orange City Dutch hands down. 

The top tier of NAIA can not compete with the middle to top tier d3 teams. 

Have you seen the top tier NAIA teams play lately??  
First of all, the University of Sioux Falls has 8 wins and 0 losses so far this season.  USF has scored 318 points to date while allowing only 24.  No, that's not a typo-24 total points allowed all season!  One of USF's wins was a 19-0 shut out of Northwestern (the other Hollander team in the state).  USF has made the playoffs 4 times since 2001 and they were National Champions in 2006.  
Close behind is Morningside also having 8 wins and 0 losses so far this season.  M'side has scored 376 points to date while allowing 82.  USF plays M'side Nov. 15 in Sioux Falls.  M'side has made the playoffs in the last 4 years.  
Northwestern has 7 wins and 2 losses (to USF and Morningside) so far.  N'western has scored 282 points to date while allowing 95.  N'western has made the playoffs three times since 2000.
Now, let's look at some teams in the IIAC-
Wartburg has 7 wins and 2 losses so far this season.  W'burg has scored 242 points and allowed 148.  W'burg has made the playoffs 3 times since 2002.
Buena Vista U has 6 wins and 2 losses so far this season.  BVU has scored 187 points and allowed 109 points.  I'm unaware if BV has ever made the playoffs.
Loras has 5 wins and 3 losses so far this season.  Loras has scored 213 points and has allowed 151 points.  I'm not aware if Loras has ever made the playoffs.
Central  has 5 wins and 3 losses so far this season.  Central has scored 186 points and has allowed 141 points.  Central has made the playoffs 5 times since 2000.

I would reconsider wanting to tangle with any of the above NAIA teams.  Just sayin'...  

First off my comparision was not between the IIAC and the GPAC.  My comparison was between the top tier of NAIA and the middle to top tier or d3 in general.  That is including teams like UWW, MUC, St. Johns, Oxy,Redlands, Lindfield, ect....  you get the point. 

There is no defense in NAIA.  I have watched plenty of the games and they all lead to high scores across the board.  They do not have the atheletes to compete on defense so offense basically wins.  Secondly, there is no parity in NAIA.  There are the very good and then there are the very bad.  Thus leading to lop sided scores. 

Its kind of funny how Morningside can can from the craphouse to the penthouse in a matter of a few season, and then their coach applies for jobs all over the place and does not get hired.  Kind of interesting.  Might show you what people think about the level of competition and how people really think about the GPAC. 

[doolittledog]

Lets do a hypothetical here...

Wartburg vs Sioux Falls
Buena Vista  vs Morningside
Loras  vs Northwestern
Central  vs St. Ambrose
Simpson  vs Graceland
Luther  vs William Penn
Coe  vs Iowa Wesleyan
Dubuque  vs Waldorf
Cornell vs Briar Cliff
Grinnell vs Dordt

Sioux Falls is probably the only school that might be considered a favorite there.  Morningside, Northwestern and St. Ambrose would probably be able to be competitive with most of the D3 teams in our state.  After that it is a HUGE dropoff in talent for the NAIA.  Also consider in 2004 a 4-6 Loras lost 16-14 to a 7-3 St. Ambrose, in 2005 a 3-7 Loras lost 29-28 to an 8-3 St. Ambrose that made it to the 1st round of the NAIA playoffs, in 2006 a 4-6 Loras lost 17-15 to a 10-1 St. Ambrose that made it to the 1st round of the NAIA playoffs...losing to Morningside each of their 2 playoffs years. 

[LCNorse]

Lets do a hypothetical here...

Wartburg vs Sioux Falls
Buena Vista  vs Morningside
Loras  vs Northwestern
Central  vs St. Ambrose
Simpson  vs Graceland
Luther  vs William Penn
Coe  vs Iowa Wesleyan
Dubuque  vs Waldorf
Cornell vs Briar Cliff
Grinnell vs Dordt

Sioux Falls is probably the only school that might be considered a favorite there.  Morningside, Northwestern and St. Ambrose would probably be able to be competitive with most of the D3 teams in our state.  After that it is a HUGE dropoff in talent for the NAIA.  Also consider in 2004 a 4-6 Loras lost 16-14 to a 7-3 St. Ambrose, in 2005 a 3-7 Loras lost 29-28 to an 8-3 St. Ambrose that made it to the 1st round of the NAIA playoffs, in 2006 a 4-6 Loras lost 17-15 to a 10-1 St. Ambrose that made it to the 1st round of the NAIA playoffs...losing to Morningside each of their 2 playoffs years. 

Just the fact that Waldorf is not necessarily the worst team in their conference speaks a lot of the discrepancy in the talent level. The past few years Luther has handled them, and Luther is a middle of the pack IIAC School as of late. I believe that the upper tier teams in NAIA are very competitive but overall I would take D3 any day...I may be a little biased though...

[doolittledog]

Lets do a hypothetical here...

Wartburg vs Sioux Falls
Buena Vista  vs Morningside
Loras  vs Northwestern
Central  vs St. Ambrose
Simpson  vs Graceland
Luther  vs William Penn
Coe  vs Iowa Wesleyan
Dubuque  vs Waldorf
Cornell vs Briar Cliff
Grinnell vs Dordt

Sioux Falls is probably the only school that might be considered a favorite there.  Morningside, Northwestern and St. Ambrose would probably be able to be competitive with most of the D3 teams in our state.  After that it is a HUGE dropoff in talent for the NAIA.  Also consider in 2004 a 4-6 Loras lost 16-14 to a 7-3 St. Ambrose, in 2005 a 3-7 Loras lost 29-28 to an 8-3 St. Ambrose that made it to the 1st round of the NAIA playoffs, in 2006 a 4-6 Loras lost 17-15 to a 10-1 St. Ambrose that made it to the 1st round of the NAIA playoffs...losing to Morningside each of their 2 playoffs years. 

Just the fact that Waldorf is not necessarily the worst team in their conference speaks a lot of the discrepancy in the talent level. The past few years Luther has handled them, and Luther is a middle of the pack IIAC School as of late. I believe that the upper tier teams in NAIA are very competitive but overall I would take D3 any day...I may be a little biased though...

I really should not have even put Sioux Falls in there since they aren't from our state...though close    Move Sioux Falls out, put Grand View in at 7th and move 2-6 up 1 place and it would really favor D3 over the NAIA schools in our state.  Now, to be fair, Waldorf was a JC until 2002, Briar Cliff started FB in 2003 I think, and Grand View and Dordt are in their first year of varsity football.  We might need to let those schools play catch up. 

For the most part you will find the NAIA schools don't have the money the D3 schools have.  Endowments are lower and facilities can't match the D3 schools.  Briar Cliff, Dordt, Grand View, William Penn, St. Ambrose and I believe Iowa Wesleyan all play their football at local high school fields.  Morningside, Northwestern, Graceland have nice facilities but none of the others can match what the D3 schools have facilities wise. 

[kohawkfan]

The top tier of NAIA can not compete with the middle to top tier d3 teams. 
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I would reconsider wanting to tangle with any of the above NAIA teams.  Just sayin'...  [/color]


There is no defense in NAIA.   USF has allowed only 24 points all year... (or even the 85 and 92 allowed by the others mentioned.)  That just doesn't happen  without a defense.)
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[the_mayne_event]

The top tier of NAIA can not compete with the middle to top tier d3 teams. 

 


I would reconsider wanting to tangle with any of the above NAIA teams.  Just sayin'...  [/color]


There is no defense in NAIA.   USF has allowed only 24 points all year... (or even the 85 and 92 allowed by the others mentioned.)  That just doesn't happen  without a defense.)
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or it happens by no offense on the other schools part.  you can say, look at Florida's points given up vs non sec school and sec schools. 

[Klopenhiemer]

The top tier of NAIA can not compete with the middle to top tier d3 teams. 

 


I would reconsider wanting to tangle with any of the above NAIA teams.  Just sayin'...  [/color]


There is no defense in NAIA.   USF has allowed only 24 points all year... (or even the 85 and 92 allowed by the others mentioned.)  That just doesn't happen  without a defense.)

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or it happens by no offense on the other schools part.  you can say, look at Florida's points given up vs non sec school and sec schools. 
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My statements were generalization regarding NAIA as a whole.  USF only giving up 24 points all season speaks to the level of competition they are playing against. 

[kohawkfan]

The top tier of NAIA can not compete with the middle to top tier d3 teams. 

 


I would reconsider wanting to tangle with any of the above NAIA teams.  Just sayin'...  [/color]


There is no defense in NAIA.   USF has allowed only 24 points all year... (or even the 85 and 92 allowed by the others mentioned.)  That just doesn't happen  without a defense.)

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or it happens by no offense on the other schools part.  you can say, look at Florida's points given up vs non sec school and sec schools. 
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Moot point I suppose,  it would be interesting to see a few cross-over games.   ;)Since there aren't any on the varsity level-how do the JV squads fair?  Is BV the only IIAC that plays GPAC schools on the JV level?

[Fannosaurus Rex]

I'm more interested in what Central has to do to beat Buena Vista than how they would do in some mythical match up.  I checked out the Beaver's stats page.  Nothing really jumps out at me except that they have beaten good teams and they seem to have a pretty solid defense.  In fact what I really worry about is that Central could fail to score against the Beavers and suffer their first shut out since 2002.  I have never been to a football game in Storm Lake, but from what I have read on here, I predict that somehow, the wind will have something to do with the outcome.

[doolittledog]

Speaking of Central football.  I wonder what the winning percentage for Central is when DF2K4 is in attendance.  I know he was at the Loras game and missed the Luther game this year.  I don't know about the Wartburg game. 

That is probably a pretty high winning percentage over the last 5 seasons!!!