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[Ron Boerger]

Go Trinity College Bantams (CT) to win this weekend will be the third undefeated season and 30 game win streak only second to USC

Yep, the all-time Division IV record.  Congratulations. 

[redswarm81]

Go Trinity College Bantams (CT) to win this weekend will be the third undefeated season and 30 game win streak only second to USC

Yep, the all-time Division IV record.  Congratulations. 

Ron, are you disagreeing with Junior Assistant Guru K-Mack, who has written that the NESCAC is "small college football at its finest?"

[Trincoll]

I guess no Ivy leage football team is worth  a damm either since they exclude themselves from the playoffs.

[smedindy]

But at least they play other teams outside of their little cabal. There is absolutely no point of reference to compare the NESCAC to anyone else.

[Mr. Ypsi]

And how many decades has it been since any Ivy League fb team was 'worth a damn'?!

[coocooforcoekohawk]

Harvard has recently been ranked in the top 25 of the DI-AA poll.

[Pat Coleman]

Ron, are you disagreeing with Junior Assistant Guru K-Mack, who has written that the NESCAC is "small college football at its finest?"

That doesn't mean "at its most competitive" -- that statement takes things like atmosphere and rivalry and tradition into account.

[Mr. Ypsi]

coocoo,

Point noted, though that is AA not A - for d1, they are probably still not in the top 100.

While I was being flippant, I would agree with Smedindy (and later Pat): there is simply no basis for knowing where they stand in d3.  For all we know, Trinity holds the title as the "world's tallest midget".

As far as I am concerned, their records simply DO NOT COUNT as d3 records, since they do not play in d3.  Since Williams is so proud of their all-sports trophy in d3 (for what? 86 years in a row?), why does the NESCAC single out football as singularly evil?

[Ron Boerger]

Ron, are you disagreeing with Junior Assistant Guru K-Mack, who has written that the NESCAC is "small college football at its finest?"

I respect Keith's opinions and knowledge, but if every conference did what the NESCAC does, Division III football would be a joke.  Since they don't want to play with the rest of Division III, why are they even members? 

I also echo the sentiments of many others who find it ironic that the NESCAC doesn't have any problems allowing their STUDENT-athletes to find the time to participate in other playoffs. 

PS - If Keith is a "Junior Assistant Guru" then I guess I am an Associate Assistant Guru, Third Class.   

[Pat Coleman]

PS - If Keith is a "Junior Assistant Guru" then I guess I am an Associate Assistant Guru, Third Class.   

Yes. Now get back to swabbing the deck. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

I'm not quite sure what the debate is even about.

The NESCAC has clearly said that they are NOT a part of d3 for football - they play NO one else and do not participate in play-offs.  Since THEY say they are not a part of d3, why is anyone else even WONDERING where they should be ranked?

For football, they are NOT in d3!!!  Is that a difficult concept to understand?

[Pat Coleman]

Yes -- because regardless of where you classify them, Chuck, they still are Division III member schools and abide by Division III rules.

[Ron Boerger]

Yes. Now get back to swabbing the deck. 

Aye, aye, cap'n.   

And beggin the cap'n's pardon, but yer avatar's broke. 

[Pat Coleman]

Yeah -- I know. Oddly enough, I appear to have prohibited myself from using that image.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Watch out, Pat, you're gonna revive the Jack Sikma argument!  

Technically/Legally/Officially, they are obviously d3.  But if they play NO one outside their conference (pre-season, season, or post-season), how can they REALLY claim to be d3?  They are an isolated little cell within the d3 organism.

And I am still curious why NESCAC participates in every other sport's post-season (and takes apparently great pride in Williams winning the all-sports trophy every year), but football is evidently uniquely evil?

At the risk of offending the 'elite' of d3, may I suggest the word 'hypocrisy'?