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Yes upstate, K-mack deserves a garbage plate, he'll never be the same. Peter King (Sports Ill) had a reader ask him to stop by Nick Tahoe's after he visits bills camp at SJF... he declined for now.

K-Mack, if you are in Rochester, this is a must do. Don't be a wuss like peter king (he of the "healthly high ground" and venti triple mocha lattes).

[theoriginalupstate]

Yes upstate, K-mack deserves a garbage plate, he'll never be the same. Peter King (Sports Ill) had a reader ask him to stop by Nick Tahoe's after he visits bills camp at SJF... he declined for now.

K-Mack, if you are in Rochester, this is a must do. Don't be a wuss like peter king (he of the "healthly high ground" and venti triple mocha lattes).

I'll even buy.  It would be right on the way from Brockport to SJF!  We'll stop at a few watering holes in brockport then go to Nicks, of course we'd go to the one downtown and not the suburb area.  You have to experience the ghetto setting to totally encompass the plate. 

[K-Mack]

You are welcome.  Love to have you come and see Central play any time you can.  Just thought you could see more teams play.  I know games may or may not pan out depending on the given Saturday.  The game may or may not be decided in a short time or take till that final quarter.  It can be a tale of two halves as well.  I know in the Hope game at Central last year it was.  Hope was 13-3 at half and it was a 24-13 final.  Which half would you get to see to form your opinion?  That is a tuff way to form opinions about teams.  I totally understand what you are saying.  Just thought it was a possibility for you to see.  Thanks for all you do for D3.

Hey, thanks for the input ... Hope/Central is a good example of what relying on a half can do.

[K-Mack]

K-Mack how about an upstate double header in the rochester area.

September 15th

1:00 Cortland at Brockport: A classic state school battle between juiced up physical education teachers.

7:00 Rochester at St. John Fisher: Some might call this the "Courage Bowl" that benefits Camp Good Days and Special Times, I call it the Battle for the Golden Garbage Plate.  There are usually between 5000-7000 people there at this game and has a great student atmosphere with Yellowjacket fans being a hop skip and a jump away. 

that's an interesting doubleheader... 2 in-state matchups, 4.5 conferences!

Cortland (NJAC) vs. Brockport (ACFC)
St. John Fisher (E8) vs. Rochester (LL/part time UAA)

Not only in state match ups, but 3 of the 4 teams are located in Monroe county.  Plus K-Mack can have the pleasure of trying out a garbage plate...

Yes upstate, K-mack deserves a garbage plate, he'll never be the same. Peter King (Sports Ill) had a reader ask him to stop by Nick Tahoe's after he visits bills camp at SJF... he declined for now.

K-Mack, if you are in Rochester, this is a must do. Don't be a wuss like peter king (he of the "healthly high ground" and venti triple mocha lattes).

I'll even buy.  It would be right on the way from Brockport to SJF!  We'll stop at a few watering holes in brockport then go to Nicks, of course we'd go to the one downtown and not the suburb area.  You have to experience the ghetto setting to totally encompass the plate. 

I thought Wesley @ Widener on Friday night and Rowan @ Wilkes the next day was a no-brainer for that weekend, but I like this suggestion a lot. And not just because there's food involved!

Would there really be enough time to stop on a drive from Cortland to Rochester? Duh, of course, the games are at Brockport & SJF. (Note to self: slow down and read)

Wow, almost enough time to bust outta Wilkes at 4-5 p.m. and see an NY game somewhere.

I'll keep this one in mind, if not for that weekend, perhaps another with SJF, Rochester and Brockport all being relevant and close by. Although the night kickoffs are hard to come by.

How can I turn down a Garbage Plate?

I'll have you know, for the record, that K-Mack (required LL third-person reference to self) spent his younger days in the projects outside of Boston and in South Jersey, home of the knockoff Philly cheesesteak and 24-hour diner serving breakfast all night for $3.65, with scrapple.

I've been training my whole life to eat a Garbage Plate in a ghetto setting.

Healthy High Ground ... ha! I mean, I am trying to get back to looking like, if not a free safety, at least an outside linebacker of some sort. I was asked more than once if I'd played defensive end. Kinda drives home the ol' 'you ain't what you used to be' point.

P.S., only here would you have to clarify which publication that Peter King fella writes for. I love D3football.com.

[Superfoot Wallace]

I've been training my whole life to eat a Garbage Plate in a ghetto setting.

Healthy High Ground ... ha! I mean, I am trying to get back to looking like, if not a free safety, at least an outside linebacker of some sort. I was asked more than once if I'd played defensive end. Kinda drives home the ol' 'you ain't what you used to be' point.

While K Mack is trying to look like the svelt of the front seven, Macleod has managed to get 2hundo anda nine ought five plus a debatable 1 and 7/8  to 2 anda quad clips stuck on his/her chest.

Take my hand off the ground dagnabit!!!

signed,
Ted Arcidi

[Knightstalker]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Scrapple.

[labart96]

if anyone cares (probably not, but what the heck, here goes!), i've posted a pre-season preview for Hobart on the Liberty League board (page 1717).

[union89]

if anyone cares (probably not, but what the heck, here goes!), i've posted a pre-season preview for Hobart on the Liberty League board (page 1717).

Great read from TGP if you are willing to enter the ghetto which is LLPP.

[K-Mack]

I'll pack my gat.

[labart96]

Not sure if this belongs here, but Nation and USA are synomonous, right?

Anyone watch the Team USA-Japan IFAF game? 

TGP Tivoed it - yes this is now an actual word - while at the beach with the wife and kids.

Fun exhibition game that must have been a great experience for the kids from the US.  To get to play - in many cases - their last organized game in Japan of all places??!?

Props to #28 Doug Blakowski from Hobart - huge 3rd down pick ups in several spots 9 (wished Coach would have given him a TD carry after Doug set up Team USAs 2nd TD).  #82 from Williams was also very strong as a possession style WR. 

Don't know about the rest of the viewers but USA's QB Austin was very shaky at times.  TGP will give him the benefit of the doubt in that he probably had to learn the offense for this tournament as he went along. 

Although Team Japan probably should have won the game, the resilience and fight from the US to too tough to overcome.  Great effort by all and great to see several D3 all stars get one more chance for a day in the spotlight.

[K-Mack]

I definitely liked how they mixed the D3 guys in, and they played real roles.

Have not seen the game though. Was a little surprised by the score given the previous ones, but Japan and Germany seem like the only nations outside of North America who are interested in being good at American football.

[labart96]

I definitely liked how they mixed the D3 guys in, and they played real roles.

Have not seen the game though. Was a little surprised by the score given the previous ones, but Japan and Germany seem like the only nations outside of North America who are interested in being good at American football.

Bad weather and turnovers had a big impact on the game (and kept the score low). 

Both teams struggled with turnovers - I think the US had 2 or 3 (1 or 2 fumbles and 1 INT) and Japan had 2 (INT and fumble).  Not to mention Japan missing 2 FGs (1 blocked, 1 missed).

[K-Mack]

I definitely liked how they mixed the D3 guys in, and they played real roles.

Have not seen the game though. Was a little surprised by the score given the previous ones, but Japan and Germany seem like the only nations outside of North America who are interested in being good at American football.

Bad weather and turnovers had a big impact on the game (and kept the score low). 

Both teams struggled with turnovers - I think the US had 2 or 3 (1 or 2 fumbles and 1 INT) and Japan had 2 (INT and fumble).  Not to mention Japan missing 2 FGs (1 blocked, 1 missed).

As you mentioned, exhibitions are hard to play in.

I played one of those paid all-star games, and it just wasn't the same as "real" football. Little team chemistry or passion. Lotta guys flying around, and I played with a bunch of fun guys to be around, but ...

I also played a season of semi-pro, which is basically somewhere between D3 football and a season of exhibitions. Same thing, lots of talent, not quite as well organized or complicated. I played a playoff game at tight end with the tackle explaining to me the blocking assignments after we broke each huddle. And I was good! Which was a cool experience, but also something that no way, no how would've happened in a D3 game.

[K-Mack]

OK, officially renaming this the ATN Games to Attend Watch List. Nothing official about it, just looking for suggestions and travel ideas from the die-hards. All suggestions appreciated; last discussed at the bottom of page 55, and before that on Page 50, if you care for more detail:

>> Now is the time to campaign for your team's big matchup. Also, in all seriousness, D3football.com staff does accept kind offers of generosity that will make travelling to your team's game easier. We aren't necessarily looking for donations (your support of Kickoff '07 will do) but advice on the best way to travel/eat/stay/tailgate/catch the game is always appreciated.

IDEAS (games in bold are likely commitments so far)

Sept. 1
Thu./Fri./Sat. Tripleheader options: Moravian at Susquehanna / USMMA at Kean / NCW at Wesley
or Ursinus at LaSalle, Muhlenberg at TCNJ and Rowan at CNU.

UW-La Crosse at Hardin-Simmons
Rowan at Christopher Newport
Gallaudet at St. Vincent (someone's gotta win!)
Ithaca at Lycoming
N.C. Wesleyan at Wesley

Sept. 8
Christopher Newport at UMHB
Package: RPI at Endicott, 1 p.m.; Springfield at Union, 7 p.m.
Package: Augustana at Baldwin-Wallace, 2 p.m.; Denison at Case Western 7 p.m.

Sept. 15
Hardin-Simmons at Linfield
Package: Rowan at Wilkes (doubleheader with Wesley at Widener Fri. night)
Package: Cortland at Brockport, 1 p.m.; Rochester at St. John Fisher, 7 p.m.
Carnegie Mellon at Hobart

Sept. 22 (Fri. 21st Widener at Rowan, back-to-back Fridays)
SJF at Ithaca
RPI at Hobart
Package: Macalester at Chicago 12 or 1, Hope at Wheaton 7 or 8

Sept. 29 (Friday the 28th: Montclair St. at TCNJ)
UW-Whitewater at UW-La Crosse
Huntingdon at Wesley
Baldwin-Wallace at John Carroll

Oct. 6 (Oct. 5 TCNJ at Rowan, back-to-back Fridays)
UMHB at Hardin-Simmons b/w ETBU at McMurry
Trinity (Tex.) at DePauw
St. Olaf at St. John's
St. Norbert at Monmouth
Wheaton at North Central
Redlands at Occidental
Becker at Gallaudet (see Gallaudet-St. Vincent comment)
Package: Kalamazoo at Tri-State, 1 p.m., Olivet at Adrian, 7 p.m.

Oct. 13
Package: TCNJ @ William Paterson, 1 p.m.; Kean at Montclair State, 6 p.m.
Franklin at Mt. St. Joseph

Oct. 20
St. John Fisher at Springfield

Oct. 27
UMHB at UW-Whitewater
St. Thomas at St. John's
Ithaca at Springfield
Trinity (Tex.) at Millsaps (second consec. trip to Jackson)
Alfred at Hobart

Nov. 3
Linfield at Whitworth
Hobart at Union
Monmouth at Knox (rivalry)

Nov. 10
Amherst at Williams
Wabash at DePauw
Cortland State at Ithaca
Hampden-Sydney at Randolph-Macon
RPI at Union (Dutchman's Shoes)
Moravian at Muhlenberg
Cornell at Coe
Franklin at Hanover
Wesleyan at Trinity(?)
also:
Central at Wartburg
St. John's at Bethel
Baldwin-Wallace at Capital
Wilkes at Widener?
W&L at Carnegie-Mellon?
NEFC Title Game

I appreciate everyone's suggestions so far, even if they don't end up being the featured game of the week, we might at least be able to get a regional guy in town, or wish we woulda went Pat and I travel separately sometimes too, and there are times when we can't get there but we can pick up the broadcast ... if you haven't listened to fourth quarters from McMinnville to Springfield on a Saturday ... it can be a fun way to geek out.

As noted before, always looking for night games (Fri or Sat) that we can package with an afternoon kickoff on a doubleheader trip.

[labart96]

OK, officially renaming this the ATN Games to Attend Watch List. Nothing official about it, just looking for suggestions and travel ideas from the die-hards. All suggestions appreciated; last discussed at the bottom of page 55, and before that on Page 50, if you care for more detail:

>> Now is the time to campaign for your team's big matchup. Also, in all seriousness, D3football.com staff does accept kind offers of generosity that will make travelling to your team's game easier. We aren't necessarily looking for donations (your support of Kickoff '07 will do) but advice on the best way to travel/eat/stay/tailgate/catch the game is always appreciated.

IDEAS (games in bold are likely commitments so far)

Sept. 1
Thu./Fri./Sat. Tripleheader options: Moravian at Susquehanna / USMMA at Kean / NCW at Wesley or Ursinus at LaSalle, Muhlenberg at TCNJ and Rowan at CNU.

UW-La Crosse at Hardin-Simmons
Rowan at Christopher Newport
Gallaudet at St. Vincent (someone's gotta win!)
Ithaca at Lycoming
N.C. Wesleyan at Wesley

Sept. 8
Christopher Newport at UMHB
Package: RPI at Endicott, 1 p.m.; Springfield at Union, 7 p.m.
Package: Augustana at Baldwin-Wallace, 2 p.m.; Denison at Case Western 7 p.m.

Sept. 15
Hardin-Simmons at Linfield
Package: Rowan at Wilkes (doubleheader with Wesley at Widener Fri. night)
Package: Cortland at Brockport, 1 p.m.; Rochester at St. John Fisher, 7 p.m.
Carnegie Mellon at Hobart

Sept. 22 (Fri. 21st Widener at Rowan, back-to-back Fridays)
SJF at Ithaca
RPI at Hobart
Package: Macalester at Chicago 12 or 1, Hope at Wheaton 7 or 8

Sept. 29 (Friday the 28th: Montclair St. at TCNJ)
UW-Whitewater at UW-La Crosse
Huntingdon at Wesley
Baldwin-Wallace at John Carroll

Oct. 6 (Oct. 5 TCNJ at Rowan, back-to-back Fridays)
UMHB at Hardin-Simmons b/w ETBU at McMurry
Trinity (Tex.) at DePauw
St. Olaf at St. John's
St. Norbert at Monmouth
Wheaton at North Central
Redlands at Occidental
Becker at Gallaudet (see Gallaudet-St. Vincent comment)
Package: Kalamazoo at Tri-State, 1 p.m., Olivet at Adrian, 7 p.m.

Oct. 13
Package: TCNJ @ William Paterson, 1 p.m.; Kean at Montclair State, 6 p.m.
Franklin at Mt. St. Joseph

Oct. 20
St. John Fisher at Springfield

Oct. 27
UMHB at UW-Whitewater
St. Thomas at St. John's
Ithaca at Springfield
Trinity (Tex.) at Millsaps (second consec. trip to Jackson)
Alfred at Hobart

Nov. 3
Linfield at Whitworth
Hobart at Union
Monmouth at Knox (rivalry)

Nov. 10
Amherst at Williams
Wabash at DePauw
Cortland State at Ithaca
Hampden-Sydney at Randolph-Macon
RPI at Union (Dutchman's Shoes)
Moravian at Muhlenberg
Cornell at Coe
Franklin at Hanover
Wesleyan at Trinity(?)
also:
Central at Wartburg
St. John's at Bethel
Baldwin-Wallace at Capital
Wilkes at Widener?
W&L at Carnegie-Mellon?
NEFC Title Game

I appreciate everyone's suggestions so far, even if they don't end up being the featured game of the week, we might at least be able to get a regional guy in town, or wish we woulda went Pat and I travel separately sometimes too, and there are times when we can't get there but we can pick up the broadcast ... if you haven't listened to fourth quarters from McMinnville to Springfield on a Saturday ... it can be a fun way to geek out.

As noted before, always looking for night games (Fri or Sat) that we can package with an afternoon kickoff on a doubleheader trip.
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TGP likes seeing Hobart mentioned several times on K-Mack's list.  Realistically, though - depending on where you and Pat are based - getting up to Geneva can be a long haul.

There are a lot of cheap accomodations in town and nearby though - so it's definitely worth the trip.  Hard to beat the scenery of the finger lakes during the fall.