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[Ralph Turner]

Ralph,

If not the rankings what do they use?  Rock paper scissors?   I am just wondering how W&J went up or MUC or Central went down. 

I see the national seedings as:

1) MUC
2) UWW
3) W&J
4) Central

[DutchFan2004]

That is what I took from it as well.  My question is still how does the Central bracket fall to a 4 from a strong #2 with UWW out I know that SJU losing hurts that but the D3 rankings which are not a criteria as stated put Central @ #3.  Having said that how is W&J ahead of Central?

[Pat Coleman]

Ralph,

If not the rankings what do they use?  Rock paper scissors?   I am just wondering how W&J went up or MUC or Central went down. 

They use their own rankings. They obviously disagreed with ours. That should be fairly clear to see, right?

[DutchFan2004]

Well that is the decsision that they came up with.  I am just wondering what goes into it. 

[smedindy]

W & J was #1 in the South. I assume Central was #2 in the West after the St. John's loss. So when the decision was made to move Mt. Union East, it was a matter of a #1 over a #2. I would gather that's the logic.

[DutchFan2004]

That makes some sense but if that is the logic used(and it is not bad logic)  Could it not also be said that the reason for the move is that they are truly the #3 team in the field and thus the reason for moving UWW?  That being said then don't they become the #1 and equal.  I am not disputing and I know this line is moot and futile as that is the way it was decided but why else move MUC and UWW around?  Why not leave things the way they have been?  There are many questions that have been raised and I am not arguing that any of them are wrong just trying to get some insight. 

Pat, 

I am sure you are confused on all this as well.  I am pretty happy and you have to beat the best to be the best.  Does not matter if you meet MUC first round or at the Stagg if you want the Walnut and Bronze you have to beat MUC.  My position is that if UWW and Central needed to be split up then I would have thought that they would have been #2 and #3 not #2 and #4 is all. 

[Pat Coleman]

I'm not overly confused, no. They disagree with our rankings all of the time.

[smedindy]

That makes some sense but if that is the logic used(and it is not bad logic)  Could it not also be said that the reason for the move is that they are truly the #3 team in the field and thus the reason for moving UWW?  That being said then don't they become the #1 and equal.  I am not disputing and I know this line is moot and futile as that is the way it was decided but why else move MUC and UWW around?  Why not leave things the way they have been?  There are many questions that have been raised and I am not arguing that any of them are wrong just trying to get some insight. 

They wouldn't have moved Mt. Union if the East had someone even close to being a #1. Curry is no way a #1, it would be odd for a "C" (SJF) to be a #1, and evn if TCNJ had won I bet they would have moved Mt. Union. At least the NCAA had the chance to move Mt. Union because the mileage worked out.

As quality as the D-3 Top 25 is, it's not infallible. Central needs to prove it belongs, and the way to do that is to win no matter who is in their region or in their way.

[DutchFan2004]

Oh I was also referring to the Whitworth pick over UWEC I was not talking about just the seedings sorry I should have stated that Pat.  But after all the things that went on with the bracket this year the seeding is a very minor thing.  I was just curious in the thought process Smedindy came up with a logical one for me and I accept it (even if I didn't I know nothing will change).

[K-Mack]

I think this was a perfectly fine line of questioning, and generated some good responses (my favorite was knightstalker suggesting what they do with the rankings after)

Clearly the committee felt W&J was the third-strongest 1 seed in the field and Central was fourth.

The important thing to note is that, if I have it right, the committee does not rank the entire bracket to seed them, just the top seeds. (DutchFan, in your post from 1:35, you didn't seem to understand that)

Knowing that, everything you read on this thread should answer the question.

[DutchFan2004]

K-Mack,

That was my impression from the start.  I just assumed and I know now that assuming was not the thing to do in this case that Central was the fourth now third ranked team in D3's poll and thought that would carry the weight but I was incorrect.  With W&J being what 4-5 spots back I felt that Central would be the 3 seed.  That is why I asked the question. 

[K-Mack]

I don't know what exactly made W&J preferable to Central, but they do use the same criteria used to select at-large teams, so I guess if we look closely at OWP, OOWP and such we might find the answer. They both had the same regional win pct. and no h2h or common opponents, I believe.

That might actually answer the question you're really getting at, which is 'why W&J over Central?'

[DutchFan2004]

K-Mack thanks that is kind of what I was asking was there set criteria for the seedings or was it more of a subjective thing.  That was all I was searching for.  Thanks to all who responded and tried to educate this slow guy.

[DutchFan2004]

Great ATN again K-Mack

I do have one thing that I either didn't understand or you have wrong.  The Wartburg game was not OT this year it was only a 3 seconds from being OT Last year was the OT game.

[DutchHawk]

As for the quiz on the front page pertaining to the Consensus Bracket picks...Bethel was not unanimous...as Kmack picked Central? hmmm