FB: American Southwest Conference

[D O.C.]

see DOC didnt take long to jump ship

Planned ahead of time as a "what if" scenario. Played the folks a couple of times and have some established t d' t with them.

[umhb2001]

Mullin and Warren have served as punters from that spread formation all season.

http://www.mcmurrysports.com/custompages/football/2011/teamcume.htm]

We had only had 39 punts in the first 11 games.

Mullin was averaging 46 yds per punt; Warren 43 yds per punt.

Yeah, I recognize the fact that they have served as punters all season, I'm just confused by that. Is it a roster spot issue, he doesn't want to take a spot for a punter, or is it a strategical move?

In that situation, with your defense having success, why not really punt and not worry about the fake?

[wesleydad]

thanks guys for the explanation.  I remember the one time we were in Belton and the wind was blowing and also the playoff game that you played against I believe it was UWW and the wind played havic on the kicks and passes.  Hoping that there will be no wind this weekend.

[umhb2001]

On this day, this much is true.  The cru oline and dline were stronger and McMurry's ability to pass the ball outside in to the wind to the hash mark to the side lines was impacted greatly by the wind.  Any passes outside 15 to 20 yards past the line were knocked down when thrown to the home press box side of the field and floated away from the reciever when thrown to the other sideline. This lowered our ability to hit crossing patterns and passes to the running backs coming out of the backfield.  The passing game is what we do best! Our running game is much improved from last year which brings me to UMHB's line play.  Cru dline did a fine job in the trenches.  McMurry is stronger than last year, did a better job on pass protection and in run blocking.  The cru dline was a notch or two better.  The cru oline showed why UMHB likes to run the ball. The cru oline is a notch stronger than McMurry.  It was a pleasure to watch both lines work.  Both team lines played to their ability to final horn.  Good luck the the cru next week!  One final thought, how good could #6 for UMHB be if showcased on a passing team.

#6 and #9 for us can definitely do some things in the passing game, and that what makes us so dangerous. But they knew what they were getting into when they came to UMHB and obviously, they liked it! You may see more of them after this game as our run D was being stopped a bit. If the wind would have died down a bit, you may have seen the passing game a bit more, but when it's like that, stick with the bread and butter!

[umhb2001]

roocru, toby, ralph, umhb2001, looking at the boxscore it looks like McMurray self destructed in the 4th quarter.  2 turnovers lead to 2 scores and some of the other stuff I have heard about, a fake punt inside their 20.  Playing what if, does McMurray have a chance to win the game if they play a clean 4th quarter.  Good teams cause turnovers and UMHB has been known for doing that.  Just trying to get a read on what Wesley has to do to win and UMHB has not had many close games this season to look at since the first 2 games of the season and that is too far back to get a read on anything at this point.

In my mind, the way that you would have to stop the Cru would be to stifle the run and put us in 2nd and third and long.

In the first, we had a 3 and 11 and 4 and 8 leading to a long FG that was no good. Later, in the 2nd,  a 3rd and long was helped by a penalty that gave us good position for a touchdown.

Early in the third, a 2 and 5 turned into 3 and 6 with a loss of one yard on a run play, LB was then sacked for -8 yds and so we punted. Later in the third, a 2nd and 7 turned into 2 and 17 on a penalty, on 3rd and 12 a Darius Wilson run made up some yards, then we punted.

You can see the pattern. Our D, aided by some pivotal calls by McMurry on offense led to our win. Self destructed, yes, but UMHB put them in those positions. 

[umhb2001]

thanks guys for the explanation.  I remember the one time we were in Belton and the wind was blowing and also the playoff game that you played against I believe it was UWW and the wind played havic on the kicks and passes.  Hoping that there will be no wind this weekend.

Hoping for no wind, in Belton, at this time of year, is a pipe dream. There will be wind.

[Ralph Turner]

Mullin and Warren have served as punters from that spread formation all season.

http://www.mcmurrysports.com/custompages/football/2011/teamcume.htm]

We had only had 39 punts in the first 11 games.

Mullin was averaging 46 yds per punt; Warren 43 yds per punt.

Yeah, I recognize the fact that they have served as punters all season, I'm just confused by that. Is it a roster spot issue, he doesn't want to take a spot for a punter, or is it a strategical move?

In that situation, with your defense having success, why not really punt and not worry about the fake?

Thanks for the comment.

I think that the "roster" spot was a consideration for the playoffs. The maximuim number of players in the playoffs is 53.

With that wind in the 4th quarter, even with an effective defensive stand, I don't think that Brooks' punt (#30) could have gotten the Cru beyond FG range from that deep in McMurry territory.  And then you are letting the CRU burn another 2 minutes of clock with a 3-and-out.

[umhb2001]

Mullin and Warren have served as punters from that spread formation all season.

http://www.mcmurrysports.com/custompages/football/2011/teamcume.htm]

We had only had 39 punts in the first 11 games.

Mullin was averaging 46 yds per punt; Warren 43 yds per punt.

I see. It makes sense. Might as well give it all you have when you can.

Well, good luck to the team next year! I hope that y'all are able to be successful in D2.

Yeah, I recognize the fact that they have served as punters all season, I'm just confused by that. Is it a roster spot issue, he doesn't want to take a spot for a punter, or is it a strategical move?

In that situation, with your defense having success, why not really punt and not worry about the fake?

Thanks for the comment.

I think that the "roster" spot was a consideration for the playoffs. The maximuim number of players in the playoffs is 53.

With that wind in the 4th quarter, even with an effective defensive stand, I don't think that Brooks' punt (#30) could have gotten the Cru beyond FG range from that deep in McMurry territory.  And then you are letting the CRU burn another 2 minutes of clock with a 3-and-out.

[Toby Taff]

umhb2001,
I think at least part of the qbs punting is what it does to the special teams of the other team. if the qb is lined up in a way that he could pass and he's as dangerous as Mullin you have to respect that so you can't put a punt returner back. Think about the weapons that takes out of UMHBs arsenal.

[Ralph Turner]

umhb2001,
I think at least part of the qbs punting is what it does to the special teams of the other team. if the qb is lined up in a way that he could pass and he's as dangerous as Mullin you have to respect that so you can't put a punt returner back. Think about the weapons that takes out of UMHBs arsenal.

These are this year's stats for McMurry (all 12 games) and conversions...

The 3rd down conversion rate is "normal".  The 4th down rate with Mullin is amazing!

3RD-DOWN Conversions     58/172     55/170
           3rd-Down Pct         34%         32%
4TH-DOWN Conversions     24/48     10/22
           4th-Down Pct         50%         45%

[Ralph Turner]

D3reports

I respectfully differ with the opinion that Mullin did not show any effects of the torn meniscus and lateral collateral ligament.

His knee was in a brace. His scrambling was severely hampered.  He gingerly arose from the ground after each tackle or a slide.  He did not punt from the short punt formation which we posters have discussed is a real weapon in Coach Mumme's offense with a healthy Jake Mullin, and which was probably the play about which most posters have commented.

His three INT's were in the 4th quarter, in the last 6 minutes of the game, during "Hail Mary" time.  (In fact, there were no turnovers until the 4th quarter by either team.)

[Gray Fox]

He was also the last man to be able to tackle on UMHB's last or next to last interception touchdown.  He could hardly move to stop the guy as the interceptor ran by him for a TD.

[Kelly Boggs]

For what it is worth, McMurry ran two fake punts in the LC game. The first came from its own 15 in the first half. The War Hawks threw a pass on that particular play and it went for 85 yards and a touchdown. The second fake punt came in the second half. The War Hawks had a 4th and about 8 from around their own 20. McM ran the fake it attempted against UMHB on Saturday and it went for about 10 yards and a first down.   

[DGPugh]

  Ralph Turner said "I respectfully differ with the opinion that Mullin did not show any effects of the torn meniscus and lateral collateral ligament. His knee was in a brace. His scrambling was severely hampered.  He gingerly arose from the ground after each tackle or a slide."

wow... the fact someone can play, throw a football, and even try with that type of stifle injury is amazing. The last lateral collateral tear i saw was a  big muscled up feller that weighed ~1100 lbs, and we had to bury him.
congrats to McMurray for a remarkable season
keep the faith

[Ralph Turner]

  Ralph Turner said "I respectfully differ with the opinion that Mullin did not show any effects of the torn meniscus and lateral collateral ligament. His knee was in a brace. His scrambling was severely hampered.  He gingerly arose from the ground after each tackle or a slide."

wow... the fact someone can play, throw a football, and even try with that type of stifle injury is amazing. The last lateral collateral tear i saw was a  big muscled up feller that weighed ~1100 lbs, and we had to bury him.
congrats to McMurray for a remarkable season
keep the faith

My friend Dr Pugh (DVM) is a veteranarian, so he sees the real "hosses".

Thanks for visiting us on the ASC board!  +1!