FB: American Southwest Conference

[Josh Bowerman]

Then we obviously will have to agree to disagree.  When you're winning by 65, you don't go for it on fourth and anything--even if the twelfth string quarterback is in.  Kick the field goal.

That TD made me sick.

[Toby Taff]

I am glad Padron got his reps!  The stat sheet shows that 63 players got to play in the Homecoming game.  Another 90 guys didn't!

Ralph,

I'm going to guess that everyone who suited played, I can't be sure, but I think that was the case.  What I can tell you is that there were people on the field the last 10 minutes of the game who's numbers didn't even show up in the program.  I know because I was looking.  Most of the offense on the field was freshman and sophmores.  The last 3 tds were scored by Chris Owen--Soph, Eric Schoenert--So, & Tommy Valdel--Fr.  I really don't think they were trying to run up the score.  Truthfully, this game was not even 72-0 close.  It could have been a lot worse, and you know, Ralph, that I don't get on here talking crap.

[Toby Taff]

Then we obviously will have to agree to disagree.  Kick the field goal.  That TD made me sick.  Period.

OK.  We can agree to disagree on this one Josh.

[Kelly Boggs]

Kick the field goal and the score is 68-0 rather than 72-0. Yeah, that makes a big difference.

At some point a team has to rise up and make a play. It is not a winning team's responsibility to keep the score respectable.

I have been on the short end of some long scores. In fact, in one game we were being shut out and were down big. Our offense moved the ball inside the opponent's 20 and the opposing coach put all his defensive starters back in to preserve the shut out - which they did. It did not bother me then and it would not bother me now.

In Oregon if a high school team gets down by 45 points, the remainder of game is played with a running clock. While the goal is to keep the score down, the unintended result is that team now has the "stigma" of being "45'd," because everyone is aware of the rule.

When one team dominates another, the prevailing team can't win. No matter what they do, someone will say, "They should have pulled the starters earlier," or "They shouldn't have passed," or "They should have _____________."

The game is football, not some self-esteem boosting social engineering experiment.

The day that UMHB or any other team I happen to favor gets pasted 72-0, I will  say "That's life" and accept it.

A good friend of mine, who is a very successful 5A coach in Texas, says, "You live by the sword; you die by the sword." Meaning, some days you are the windshield and some days you are the bug.

[crualum04]

This is my opinion on the situation. UMHB doesn't have a ticket to the playoffs yet. Therefore, UMHB has to prove every week that they are a playoff team. A 72-0 win looks alot better than a 35-0 win. So your telling me that UMHB should of kneeled the ball every play in the second half. I mean they ran up the middle and still got first downs with the second team and 3rd team in. I'm sorry but if I was a coach im not going to look into the eyes of my players and tell them to stop blocking, or stop runnning. These young guys need snaps to. Some of the guys playing second and third team can become 1st teamers in one snap. They need the experience. That's why you play is to score. If you don't like the score then i guess your a sore loser. Coach Fredenburg allows everybody to suit up. If 150 want to suit up they can. No team in the ASC has 150 players on the sidelines. Not even the almight HSU. Get over it!

[crualum04]

Alot of guys would rather play 40 snaps on monday night, than 4 snaps on saturday. Would you give up if you went through offseason, two-a-days, and practice 4 days a week. No, you wouldn't you would try to do your best just like UMHB's young guys. Today there best was to score on McMurry more than once. It' not there fault.

[roocru]

From the UMHB website story;

Rollins led UMHB with 158 yards rushing on 12 carries, all of them in the first half. ........ Twelve different UMHB players carried the ball and seven different players caught a pass for the Crusaders.

Let's look at this in another way using numbers.  UMHB never suits up 150 players.  The roster on their website shows 77 players with numbers and 78 without numbers (JV).  Not all 77 players with numbers suited out , some because they played JV ball this week and some because of injuries.  If all 77 did suit up that means, that because of two platooning and having three kickers,  69 are on three deep rosters and 6 are fourth string.   Sixty three did play!  Who else can you play?  They went as deep on their bench as they could. 

The only remaining thing to do is to tell the kids who seldom get into the game to not do what they have been practicing for all season. 

On the other side of the ball, did McMurry give up trying to score, give up on the pass plays and just run the ball to get the game over sooner.  McMurry had 15 drives in the game.  Four of them were not three and out and those were 6 plays, 5 plays (twice) and 4 plays.  Where does their reponsibility for the score come into play? 

[Kelly Boggs]

roocru,

Excellent points and info.

[D O.C.]

10:30PM PST
Just got back to my computer...
gosh, Ralph, sorry about that one.

[Toby Taff]

Dens,

Did the cats have a day off?

[Ralph Turner]

mhb8904, I would be very careful asking Dens that question.

If you think that we McMurry fans were frustrated, you haven't heard the wailing and gnashing of teeth that the Lewis & Clark season cancellation may have caused.

[Bill McCabe]

I talked with my son about who played and he said that everyone got into the game, including some JV kids that suited up for the game.  I don't think you ever ask your reserves to quit playing.  I'm surprised by the score, but some of that falls on McMurry.  Obviously, they didn't play as well as they have in some other games.  Just like last year, I think UMHB losing woke them up and they are a very talented team.

[Stephen1452]

Let's stop beating around the bush. Mcmurray QB was supposedly the best our defense had seen all season long. However he came out and threw for 2 interceptions in the first quarter alone. UMHB's defense totally shut him down. They were also able to play contain all day. With that kind of defense it's no wonder the score was so high at the end of the game. Also, last time when we beat HSU everyone griped about umhb running up the score. Well this time around 63 players played. Like for real we had no one else on the bench. And if the 3rd and 4th string guys are coming out and playing hard and McMurray can't stop them, is that really UMHB's fault. To be honest if I were coach Fred I probably would have scored that last touchdown, but that would be running up the score and a lack of class. We didn't the QB took a knee and let the clock run. Keep in mind the cru were only 7 yards from the endzone.

[Kelly Boggs]

mhb8904,

This week Linfield was to play Lewis and Clark. At the last minute, L&C chose to not play its Northwest Conference schedule this year. As a  result, all league teams had a hole to fill. Linfield was unable to find an opponent. It messed up a lot of plans.  As a "replacement," some Wildcat alumni played the JV. I think many season ticket holders returned their tickets for a refund.

[Warren Thompson]

Does anyone have an explanation for TLU's nosedive this season?