FB: American Southwest Conference

[bleedpurple]

Question: Should a team, any team, drop in the polls after one sub-par performance?

UWW lost a first place vote last week for pitching a second half shutout and beating Franklin 42-13 after being up 14-13 at the half so anything is possible.

My guess is that vote will stay with UMHB, at least for awhile.  Poll voters don't usually like to be seen as fickle.

Great discussion! In my opinion, I feel that a team that wins and is ahead do a similar, closely ranked team should stay ahead no matter the outcome. I knew WLac would not be the same team who faced St. Thomas, nor would UMHB be the same on the road, away from their home support.

Eric Allen being out made a difference but shouldn't have made that big a difference. At least we gave some underclassman some play against a stout opponent, and we faced a little adversity and found a way to get it done. All in all, a positive.

If UMHB loses that vote it MAY be in two weeks, depending how UWW does against UWL. Same opponents and all.

Maybe, given UMHB doesn't play that day.  But as far as UMHB dropping in the polls this week, as WesleyDad (I believe) said, I do think there are SOME situations a team could drop after a win (voter has teams rated very closely and there is a big disparity in performance on a Saturday). However, I just don't see it with UMHB this week. They led 27-3 going into the fourth quarter and were outscored by 5 points in the fourth quarter.  Good fodder for coaches to keep the guys working hard and paying attention to detail, but not fodder for a voter to drop them in the polls IMO.

[DFWCrufan]

Question: Should a team, any team, drop in the polls after one sub-par performance?

Only if the polls are a beauty contest, if a team lower in the rank moves because they blow out a lesser team and a upper ranked team moves because it wasn't a pretty win, but a win none the less then is it a poll or a beauty contest?

Not sure what you mean by beauty contest -- I mean, all polls are, right? Because if you win ugly often enough, someday you are probably going to lose. Will UMHB drop this week from this game? No, but other teams that have won ugly have dropped, even this season if you take a look at the first couple of polls.

No what i'm talking about is are the polls simply a win/ points for and points against standard, or is there more taken into account, I think it is the latter, not a Big win good, small win bad kinda thing

[jknezek]

Question: Should a team, any team, drop in the polls after one sub-par performance?

Only if the polls are a beauty contest, if a team lower in the rank moves because they blow out a lesser team and a upper ranked team moves because it wasn't a pretty win, but a win none the less then is it a poll or a beauty contest?

Not sure what you mean by beauty contest -- I mean, all polls are, right? Because if you win ugly often enough, someday you are probably going to lose. Will UMHB drop this week from this game? No, but other teams that have won ugly have dropped, even this season if you take a look at the first couple of polls.

No what i'm talking about is are the polls simply a win/ points for and points against standard, or is there more taken into account, I think it is the latter, not a Big win good, small win bad kinda thing

In the world of semi-pro ball, Oklahoma just supplanted FSU despite FSU beating a credible squad with their back up qb. It is definitely possible to drop after a win. Especially when you have a lot of teams close together and it doesn't take much to shift a spot or two.  That is the only way to run a poll. You have to make those determinants week to week and not just lock yourself into an order until one loses.

[Pat Coleman]

Question: Should a team, any team, drop in the polls after one sub-par performance?

Only if the polls are a beauty contest, if a team lower in the rank moves because they blow out a lesser team and a upper ranked team moves because it wasn't a pretty win, but a win none the less then is it a poll or a beauty contest?

Not sure what you mean by beauty contest -- I mean, all polls are, right? Because if you win ugly often enough, someday you are probably going to lose. Will UMHB drop this week from this game? No, but other teams that have won ugly have dropped, even this season if you take a look at the first couple of polls.

No what i'm talking about is are the polls simply a win/ points for and points against standard, or is there more taken into account, I think it is the latter, not a Big win good, small win bad kinda thing

No -- our voters are very much tuned in to who the opponent is and that's a huge factor.

The coaches' poll, when it starts, is not as concerned with the opponent's strength and is really voting on just record. The coaches would almost never drop a team who won, regardless of what else happened around them.

I mean, sometimes a team deserves to get passed. If Platteville had barely beaten North Central, for example, Platteville certainly would have moved up past North Central and possibly past Linfield as well. That means Linfield would have fallen despite winning. You can't analyze just one team's spot in the poll in isolation -- lots of other teams around them have an effect as well.

[DFWCrufan]

Well anyway the D3 crew do a great job in all cases

[Brian R. Carroll]

Congrats to UMHB on the win over our UWL Eagles. I hope all of you who made the trip enjoyed your stay. Here's a question: Did our late TD's come against your first team D, or was free substitution in place by then ? Thanks for any insight, and good luck the rest of the way this season.

[umhb2001]

Congrats to UMHB on the win over our UWL Eagles. I hope all of you who made the trip enjoyed your stay. Here's a question: Did our late TD's come against your first team D, or was free substitution in place by then ? Thanks for any insight, and good luck the rest of the way this season.

Brian, from my perspective, that last TD DID come against our 1st Team D. Call it gassed, call it checking out due to the score, call it what you will, I'm sure they got chewed on for doing it. That was not a UMHB style of defense. I think they have a long way to go to play true Cru D!

[Kelly Boggs]

The CRU needs to get it together and play a complete game on both sides of the ball this Saturday against Kean. It's time for UMHB to play to its potential.

UP with the PURPLE!

[DFWCrufan]

Watching the JV game.. good to see the new cru

[DFWCrufan]

Watching the JV game.. good to see the new cru

27-7 at the half over HSU

[MasterJedi]

The CRU needs to get it together and play a complete game on both sides of the ball this Saturday against Kean. It's time for UMHB to play to its potential.

UP with the PURPLE!

Kean lost to Albright and Endicott and pretty bad. I suspect it won't be much of a challenge for the Cru, should win by 60+

[crufootball]

Watching the JV game.. good to see the new cru

27-7 at the half over HSU

Finished 47-7

Does anyone know the rules regarding JV players and their partipation in varsity games later that week? Saw a couple of our backup QBs playing in the game and wondered if that meant they couldn't play at all in the varisty game on Saturday?

[Toby Taff]

Coach Fredenburg answered some of the 4th qtr question in today's Temple Daily Telegram.

UW-La Crosse scored 19 of its points in the fourth quarter when UMHB had already started substituting reserves for starters, giving Fredenburg a better look at the development of some younger players.

"I look up at one point, and the middle of our defense was freshman, freshman, freshman, freshman and a newcomer. No wonder we gave up yardage in there," Fredenburg said. "Those guys are really, really talented. Now it's up to us to get them executing better."

[DFWCrufan]

good 47-7 win for the JV.
I don't know if this would be the right place to say this but whoever handled the video coverage last night, should do every game. Camera coverage was great, although there was no sound and that's ok but camera angles, switching and coverage was outstanding, the images were very clear, smooth panning and framed to capture all of the action and not so zoomed out that it was a bunch of stick figures on the field. The sideline cam was awesome, in one shot the sideline cam caught the ball being passed right at it, and the cru defender jumping up and intercepting it, but the kicker was, they replayed it, IN SLOW MOTION.. just awesome! and the view was like we were not more then 5 feet away, just beautiful.
So the point is, there was no graphics of 3rd down make some noise, which keeps the viewer from seeing the game, and from out of state I'd rather see the sub in and out, and formation set than a graphic that tells me to do something I am not going to do and then come back to the game just at the snap.
So less graphics, I don't care (on broadcast) about other game scores, I have my PC to do that at home, I would rather see more game action and happenings, sure the flex cam was cool no problem, and people waving at the cam is ok too, just dump the graphics and do what you did last night and Viola! excellent. Don't cut to a video at the national anthem, let people who are viewing see the team come into the stadium.
I'm sorry if this is a rant but it was really good vid coverage and I'm kinda a nerd in that area, plus we have family in other states watching the games and it is a great informational tool about the school we dearly love. So I'll put away the soap box and return to my wings and frosty drink for this Saturday. Hear me UMHB, give the crew from last night a raise, make them Knights or promise them free Oreo cookies for life if they handle the coverage like they did last evening... they get a double

[crufootball]

good 47-7 win for the JV.
I don't know if this would be the right place to say this but whoever handled the video coverage last night, should do every game. Camera coverage was great, although there was no sound and that's ok but camera angles, switching and coverage was outstanding, the images were very clear, smooth panning and framed to capture all of the action and not so zoomed out that it was a bunch of stick figures on the field. The sideline cam was awesome, in one shot the sideline cam caught the ball being passed right at it, and the cru defender jumping up and intercepting it, but the kicker was, they replayed it, IN SLOW MOTION.. just awesome! and the view was like we were not more then 5 feet away, just beautiful.
So the point is, there was no graphics of 3rd down make some noise, which keeps the viewer from seeing the game, and from out of state I'd rather see the sub in and out, and formation set than a graphic that tells me to do something I am not going to do and then come back to the game just at the snap.
So less graphics, I don't care (on broadcast) about other game scores, I have my PC to do that at home, I would rather see more game action and happenings, sure the flex cam was cool no problem, and people waving at the cam is ok too, just dump the graphics and do what you did last night and Viola! excellent. Don't cut to a video at the national anthem, let people who are viewing see the team come into the stadium.
I'm sorry if this is a rant but it was really good vid coverage and I'm kinda a nerd in that area, plus we have family in other states watching the games and it is a great informational tool about the school we dearly love. So I'll put away the soap box and return to my wings and frosty drink for this Saturday. Hear me UMHB, give the crew from last night a raise, make them Knights or promise them free Oreo cookies for life if they handle the coverage like they did last evening... they get a double

I agree with you Morrgen that the coverage for the game last night was awesome but I am afraid you are not going to like any of the varsity games if you watch them online. The feed we watch online is the exact image that is being shown on the jumbo-tron, so on home varsity game days it is going to feature out of town scores and things like flex cam, ads, etc. Now does that have to happen I doubt it, but I would image the athletics staff would say they are stretched as it is to do the things they do and don't have more staff to have a broadcast feed and a big screen feed.