FB: American Southwest Conference

[trickytroy32]

Just terrible .  UMHB bracket have four top ten teams in the compared to two in each of the others? Why send ST John in that bracket and take Centre out? MHB bracket have 2 vs 7 in first round. possible 3 vs 10 in second round and possible 2 or 7 vs 3 or 10 in quarterfinals. Mount. Union bracket first top ten meeting possible Quarterfinals 1 vs 8( first round match up in the umhb) UW-WW top ten meeting quarterfinals 5 vs 9(first round in umhb), Brockport first possible top ten match.....guess what quarter finals 4 vs 6.  It makes no sense putting ST John in this bracket except to hope for umhb and St. John be beat up or good chance to be upset before facing whitewater.  Worst bracket I have ever seen. I do understand the mhb vs hsu match up but the rest is bs.

[UMHB03]

I should have been more clear that I was speaking relatively. MU's probable third round game is more of a cakewalk than UMHB's probable third round game. Or our FIRST round game, for that matter.

Seriously?  You would make the point spread on a Mount Union/John Carroll game bigger than a game matching UMHB and Hardin Simmons?

I'd probably have them about the same, which speaks volumes about the fact that one is a FIRST round game, and the other would be a THIRD round game.

UMHB is a bit banged up and could use a cupcake in the first round to heal up, like EVERY OTHER top team got. Instead, the sheisters in the committee throw us into a potential street fight right out of the gate.

I'm just wondering what it will take to earn just an OUNCE of respect from these northern-biased committee members. Do they have any respect for authentic, results-based seedings AT ALL?

[QB Jock Itch]

It is what it is!! You can't bring home the trophy if you don't win the game in front of you no matter who it is or where it's at. Fair or unfair, it's time to strap up, work harder than everyone else and get back to the Stagg Bowl. Go CRU!!!

[trickytroy32]

Edward, mhb vs HSU is probably same point spread as mt. Union vs John Carroll. I can actually see HSU winning. Yes they lost the first meeting this year, but that was the second game and first great defense face by HSU after losing their best offensive player and all American rb. Since that game a new rb emerged that didn't really play a lot and two more wrs. Add injuries the umhb have had the last two games. It could very easy come to last play of game.Now Mt.UNION qb is injured, but has two weeks until really facing a top opponent. Don't think anyone can see John Carroll beating Mt. Union in three weeks.  Plus what would you say if MT. Union would have to face John Carroll in the first round and St. john in quarterfinals just to meet Whitewater in the semifinal and mhb only faces hsu in the quarterfinals and brockport. Instead you face john Carroll in quarterfinals to get brockport in semis. See why people are upset

[edward de vere]

I'd probably have them about the same
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You might but nobody else on planet Earth would.

I will agree that in a perfect world the two Texas teams wouldn't meet in the first round - but geography is the default option.  (Not mandatory, but obviously the default option.)

I will also agree that in a perfectly fair world St. Johns would be in the Brockport bracket.  But again - geography.  (Not for the third round but prior to that.)

Of course, in a perfectly fair world you'd have the best 32 teams in the field.  But just like in the wide, wide world OUTSIDE D3 football there are rules, there are constraints.

As a great philosopher once noted:  "THIS is the business we've chosen."

[UMHB03]

It is what it is!! You can't bring home the trophy if you don't win the game in front of you no matter who it is or where it's at. Fair or unfair, it's time to strap up, work harder than everyone else and get back to the Stagg Bowl. Go CRU!!!

This is true. We have to beat great teams if we're going to win it all, but that shouldn't start in game 1. It doesn't for any of the other "powerhouse" programs. When the "worst" team we would face on the way to the Stagg Bowl would be ranked #20, and the others would be #7, #3, and #5, respectively, that leaves a lot less room for error. Mount Union, Whitewater, and Brockport can afford to have an off game or two. We can't.

I hope that the Crusaders use this disrespectful slap in the face as motivation, and end up shoving it back in the crooked NCAA's face.

[edward de vere]

Well, UMHB03, I take it back.

Trickytroy32 ALSO thinks the two games referenced would have roughly the same point spread.  So it's NOT you against the world; it's you and tt32 against the world.

[UMHB03]

Well, UMHB03, I take it back.

Trickytroy32 ALSO thinks the two games referenced would have roughly the same point spread.  So it's NOT you against the world; it's you and tt32 against the world.

More like those who don't think the OAC is the center of the D3 world vs. those who do. JC is no better than HSU.

[edward de vere]

By the way, I REALLY don't think the members of the committee are "shysters" and "crooked."  (And I'm a pretty damned cynical guy.)

[wally_wabash]

I hope that the Crusaders use this disrespectful slap in the face as motivation, and end up shoving it back in the crooked NCAA's face.

That's a bit much. 

[wally_wabash]

Well, UMHB03, I take it back.

Trickytroy32 ALSO thinks the two games referenced would have roughly the same point spread.  So it's NOT you against the world; it's you and tt32 against the world.

More like those who don't think the OAC is the center of the D3 world vs. those who do. JC is no better than HSU.

I don't know the answer to this question and I'm in no way a John Carroll or OAC apologist.  But tell us what Hardin-Simmons has done that definitively tells us that they are better than John Carroll. 

[edward de vere]

More like those who don't think the OAC is the center of the D3 world vs. those who do.
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No, actually more like those who appear to be completely UNAWARE of recent Mount/JC history vs. those who have actually WATCHED the games and noted the scores.

[UMHB03]

Well, UMHB03, I take it back.

Trickytroy32 ALSO thinks the two games referenced would have roughly the same point spread.  So it's NOT you against the world; it's you and tt32 against the world.

More like those who don't think the OAC is the center of the D3 world vs. those who do. JC is no better than HSU.

I don't know the answer to this question and I'm in no way a John Carroll or OAC apologist.  But tell us what Hardin-Simmons has done that definitively tells us that they are better than John Carroll.

I didn't say that Hardin-Simmons is better. I just said that JC isn't either. I've watched both teams and seen the scores of both teams' games. They're pretty even.

[UMHB03]

More like those who don't think the OAC is the center of the D3 world vs. those who do.

No, actually more like those who appear to be completely UNAWARE of recent Mount/JC history vs. those who have actually WATCHED the games and noted the scores.
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I'm not concerned with the history, I'm concerned with the quality of the teams. Nothing that I've seen, either by watching the teams, or looking at the scores, would suggest that either team is noticeably better than the other. And none of that is even relevant since MU is not playing them in the FIRTS ROUND. MU gets their annual pair of cupcakes before they face any real competition, while UMHB has been saddled with a murderers row right out or the gate by the unscrupulous NCAA.

[trickytroy32]

Edward,  I've seen John Carroll play twice this year. Mt. Union and Ben Wallace. They are a good team. However, HSU is a tab better(not just us thinking but check the polls). Who has John Carroll beaten?