FB: American Southwest Conference

[jknezek]

News of some import: https://www.d3football.com/notables/2021/10/region-shift

Welcome back ASC.  The NCAA actually does learn from their mistakes on occasion, it would appear.

IMHO, the PresAC going to Region 2 makes a lot of sense, especially with respect to Mission and Vision.

Ignore this post as I ran out of fingers and toes and apparently forgot how to count after that.

Was that a criteria? I wouldn't think so. I suspect it was mostly a matter of geography and schools per region. If I had to guess I'd say the original Region VI was a function of doing the "West" first and working East.

If you start in the West, where D3 is scarce, and you know you need about 40 teams per region, it's easy to see how the ASC becomes the last farthest West conference and ended up in Region VI. Did it make competitive sense? Not really. But numbers wise, starting from the left coast, it was a simple alignment that got to 40 (240 teams in 6 regions).

Frankly, without the ASC, Region 6 from a numbers perspective is way smaller than any other Region. There will only be 30 teams in that Region. Region 2 goes from being the smallest, at 31, to being among the larger Regions at 41. Region 3 stays the same as the largest (if you don't count the NESCAC schools in Region 1). But to give you an idea how out of balance this change makes things, Region 6 is 5 teams smaller than any other region. That's a big number. And 14 teams smaller than the largest Region... our own Region 3, again excluding the NESCAC.

From a competitive balance perspective, this move makes sense. Region 6 was overloaded with quality conferences and teams. From a sheer numbers perspective per Region, this doesn't look so good.

[Pat Coleman]

There isn't a good way to do both.

In a lot of sports, the West is just indeed smaller, or in the new parlance, Region 10 is smaller.

[crufootball]

News of some import: https://www.d3football.com/notables/2021/10/region-shift

Welcome back ASC.  The NCAA actually does learn from their mistakes on occasion, it would appear.

IMHO, the PresAC going to Region 2 makes a lot of sense, especially with respect to Mission and Vision.

Was that a criteria? I wouldn't think so. I suspect it was mostly a matter of geography and schools per region. If I had to guess I'd say the original Region VI was a function of doing the "West" first and working East.

If you start in the West, where D3 is scarce, and you know you need about 40 teams per region, it's easy to see how the ASC becomes the last farthest West conference and ended up in Region VI. Did it make competitive sense? Not really. But numbers wise, starting from the left coast, it was a simple alignment that got to 40 (240 teams in 6 regions).

Frankly, without the ASC, Region 6 from a numbers perspective is way smaller than any other Region. There will only be 30 teams in that Region. Region 2 goes from being the smallest, at 31, to being among the larger Regions at 41. Region 3 stays the same as the largest (if you don't count the NESCAC schools in Region 1). But to give you an idea how out of balance this change makes things, Region 6 is 5 teams smaller than any other region. That's a big number. And 14 teams smaller than the largest Region... our own Region 3, again excluding the NESCAC.

From a competitive balance perspective, this move makes sense. Region 6 was overloaded with quality conferences and teams. From a sheer numbers perspective per Region, this doesn't look so good.

Am I miscounting somewhere because I don't get those numbers with the new count.

By my count before today it was

Region 1:51...41 without the NESCAC
Region 2:31
Region 3:34
Region 4:35
Region 5:38
Region 6:50

Today it is

Region 1:51...41 without the NESCAC
Region 2:41
Region 3:34
Region 4:35
Region 5:38
Region 6:40

With that in mind I would say not only do these new layout make more sense competitively speaking but more fair since now the biggest gap is 7 schools, not counting the NESCAC.

[jknezek]

News of some import: https://www.d3football.com/notables/2021/10/region-shift

Welcome back ASC.  The NCAA actually does learn from their mistakes on occasion, it would appear.

IMHO, the PresAC going to Region 2 makes a lot of sense, especially with respect to Mission and Vision.

Was that a criteria? I wouldn't think so. I suspect it was mostly a matter of geography and schools per region. If I had to guess I'd say the original Region VI was a function of doing the "West" first and working East.

If you start in the West, where D3 is scarce, and you know you need about 40 teams per region, it's easy to see how the ASC becomes the last farthest West conference and ended up in Region VI. Did it make competitive sense? Not really. But numbers wise, starting from the left coast, it was a simple alignment that got to 40 (240 teams in 6 regions).

Frankly, without the ASC, Region 6 from a numbers perspective is way smaller than any other Region. There will only be 30 teams in that Region. Region 2 goes from being the smallest, at 31, to being among the larger Regions at 41. Region 3 stays the same as the largest (if you don't count the NESCAC schools in Region 1). But to give you an idea how out of balance this change makes things, Region 6 is 5 teams smaller than any other region. That's a big number. And 14 teams smaller than the largest Region... our own Region 3, again excluding the NESCAC.

From a competitive balance perspective, this move makes sense. Region 6 was overloaded with quality conferences and teams. From a sheer numbers perspective per Region, this doesn't look so good.

Am I miscounting somewhere because I don't get those numbers with the new count.

By my count before today it was

Region 1:51...41 without the NESCAC
Region 2:31
Region 3:34
Region 4:35
Region 5:38
Region 6:50

Today it is

Region 1:51...41 without the NESCAC
Region 2:41
Region 3:34
Region 4:35
Region 5:38
Region 6:40

With that in mind I would say not only do these new layout make more sense competitively speaking but more fair since now the biggest gap is 7 schools, not counting the NESCAC.

Honestly? I was going off this:

D3football's story on the regional alignments, including a list of teams by region, is here.   

The SAA is the conference that went to Region 3, appropriate given where the great majority of teams are located.  But given the imbalance in number of teams per region (if I counted right 34 for Region 3 and 50 for Region 6), I guess it's not implausible the AA might change their mind and move the ASC too.

Nothing would surprise me with the NCAA but I have seen the In The Huddle guys say they believe that the NCAA will announce soon that the ASC will be moved to Region 3. I am just confused if they do since its not like it is new evidence that the ASC is more closely related to Region 3 but who knows.

It would make sense though, I posted this count to the Northwest board a few days ago, if the ASC was moved to Region 3, seems like it would even things out a bit more than they currently are.

Region 1:51...really 41 since the NESCAC doesn't compete in the playoffs
Region 2:31
Region 3:44
Region 4:35
Region 5:38
Region 6:40

And I MISSED the bolded part... So yeah, you are right. I'm wrong.  Should have counted myself or at least practiced my reading comprehension! Mea Culpa and +K

[crufootball]

No worries jknezek, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.

This new plan really does seem to be a better approach, not sure what was wrong with the 4 region system but I would really just like to know why they reversed course at this point?

[jknezek]

No worries jknezek, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.

This new plan really does seem to be a better approach, not sure what was wrong with the 4 region system but I would really just like to know why they reversed course at this point?

I just want to know why they did it the way they did in the first place. It's not hard to get a layout that makes similar geographic sense to what they started with where every region had between 37 and 42 teams (not counting the NESCAC). So why make it where there are 31 and 34 on one end and 50 and 45 on the other? It doesn't make sense. And geography was clearly not much of an answer.

At least they fixed it. And really, it didn't matter when they fixed it so long as it was done before the first set of Regional Rankings. So I'll just be happy with the resolution and chuckle about my idiocy.

[Etchglow]

Hi new home!  Game week.

[Reverendbiker]

Re: UMHB vs. TLU on 10/16
I see that the TLU's starting CBs are 5'8" and 5'9".  Look for UMHB's #21 Brandon Jordan.

[Etchglow]

Re: UMHB vs. TLU on 10/16
I see that the TLU's starting CBs are 5'8" and 5'9".  Look for UMHB's #21 Brandon Jordan.

Also, lots of freshmen made it into the 2 deep on defense. 

James Eckrote - LE - Propser HS
Lyndon Rangel - WLB - Elgin HS
Durand Hill - MLB - Hays HS
Johnny Smith-Rider - SLB - Haltom HS

[Reverendbiker]

Also, lots of freshmen made it into the 2 deep on defense. 

James Eckrote - LE - Propser HS
Lyndon Rangel - WLB - Elgin HS
Durand Hill - MLB - Hays HS
Johnny Smith-Rider - SLB - Haltom HS

Hill, Rangel and Smith-Ryder got into the game last week and looked pretty stout.  Hill and Rangel are on the roster as RB's...

[Etchglow]

Also, lots of freshmen made it into the 2 deep on defense. 

James Eckrote - LE - Propser HS
Lyndon Rangel - WLB - Elgin HS
Durand Hill - MLB - Hays HS
Johnny Smith-Rider - SLB - Haltom HS

Hill, Rangel and Smith-Ryder got into the game last week and looked pretty stout.  Hill and Rangel are on the roster as RB's...

I missed that at the AC game.  I spent most of the time trying to take pictures though honestly.  There have been some odd things on the roster this year anyways.  Up until Austin College, Jackson Tingler and Jackson Tingley had been listed on the game notes as WR's instead of QB that they were listed as on the official roster.  It is interesting that Hill and Rangel are listed as backup for defensive positions on the 2-deep even though on the roster right above it they are RB's lol...  Who knows!

[Etchglow]

Let's see... Umhb first string offense looked really good. Thomas was explosive and smart with the ball today. So was Kj Miller. Defense showed up after that first drive and was the typical umhb defense. Special teams still needs work... Second and third string offenses looked pretty bad, they need to be careful or someone from the jv might be coming for their job.

I expected etbu to put up more of a fight against HSU honestly... Also expected the Sul Ross vs Belhaven game to be a lot closer... Oh well.

Hpu won a nail biter too...

Oh yeah, and the umhb stream was actually pretty good quality today! I suppose the one upside of being sick was being able to watch all of the asc games at the same time at home...

On to next week in alpine. I won't be making that drive lol. So hopefully their stream is good!

[umhb2001]

UMHB looked good today. Pulled up the HPU game today and the feed on YouTube included chat. The HPU posters were pretty sure HSU and UMHB would fall to the hands of HPU.

Who knows?? Perhaps. But they haven't played anyone of note. UMHB has been pushed and now knows what it takes to play wire to wire.

Should be an interesting next couple weeks.

[Etchglow]

UMHB looked good today. Pulled up the HPU game today and the feed on YouTube included chat. The HPU posters were pretty sure HSU and UMHB would fall to the hands of HPU.

Who knows?? Perhaps. But they haven't played anyone of note. UMHB has been pushed and now knows what it takes to play wire to wire.

Should be an interesting next couple weeks.

I saw that. I think they give Hardin Simmons a run for their money based on their common opponents... But, if the Cru can come out and play motivated it could turn into a track meet.

[Ron Boerger]

UMHB looked good today. Pulled up the HPU game today and the feed on YouTube included chat. The HPU posters were pretty sure HSU and UMHB would fall to the hands of HPU.

Who knows?? Perhaps. But they haven't played anyone of note. UMHB has been pushed and now knows what it takes to play wire to wire.

Should be an interesting next couple weeks.

LOL they have to come from behind to squeak past Southwestern and they're still mouthing off about beating HSU and UMHB?