FB: American Southwest Conference

[Etchglow]

Maybe the ASC should call up the commissioner of the Pac-12 no 10 no 9 no 8 no 6 and see if they want to make a deal.

+1

I bet Simon Fraser could find a home there

[Ralph Turner]

Sorry to post this question here as it does not relate to the ASC but no real other place to post this.

My son took a coaching job and was there for a total of 2 weeks before the college went belly up; out of business; closed the doors.  So he is scrambling to find a job; has had several college offers but nothing that he has settled on yet.  He currently has 1 year of college coaching in football. 
He has been offered a football coaching job at a local high school that is paying him way more that he would make as a college coach at this point.  He is afraid that if he gets out of college coaching that it will be hard to get back in even if it is just for a year. 
He thinks that a future college coach will look down on a year of high school experience on his resume.  My thoughts are it is easily explained as to why he is taking the high school job and as a dad I am thinking about the money that he would make.  He thinks the experience in college out weighs that. 

Any one have any thoughts on this; espically in regards to college coaches hiring him in the future.

Thanks

Is he a Texas native?

My two grandsons played high school football in Colorado, at a school with 1300 kids, and in Alabama in a 4A high school, respectively. My bias is that any Texas High School football coach is a quantum better than the coaches that I saw in those states, position/job for position/job. I do not believe that one year in Texas High School ball will hurt him in this situation.

[Hawks88]

Maybe the ASC should call up the commissioner of the Pac-12 no 10 no 9 no 8 no 6 no 4 and see if they want to make a deal.

Fixed it.

[Ron Boerger]

Per a report from Cory Hogue, UMHB secondary/DB coach Nathaniel Jones is leaving after a year to take on the DC role at Texas College. 

[y_jack_lok]

Sorry to post this question here as it does not relate to the ASC but no real other place to post this.

My son took a coaching job and was there for a total of 2 weeks before the college went belly up; out of business; closed the doors.  So he is scrambling to find a job; has had several college offers but nothing that he has settled on yet.  He currently has 1 year of college coaching in football. 
He has been offered a football coaching job at a local high school that is paying him way more that he would make as a college coach at this point.  He is afraid that if he gets out of college coaching that it will be hard to get back in even if it is just for a year. 
He thinks that a future college coach will look down on a year of high school experience on his resume.  My thoughts are it is easily explained as to why he is taking the high school job and as a dad I am thinking about the money that he would make.  He thinks the experience in college out weighs that. 

Any one have any thoughts on this; espically in regards to college coaches hiring him in the future.

Thanks

A couple of responses from the ODAC board.

"A lot of D3 coaches throughout all the different sports having HS experience. I've ever seen head coaches get hired straight out of HS." I think he means "even" not "ever"

Scott Abell came straight from a h.s. head coach to W&L. Now he has Davidson. Wouldn't think it's a career killer. Especially a year as an assistant.

[Etchglow]

Since UMHB hasn't posted rosters yet I decided to look at some other teams' rosters and returning production.  I only got to HSU (mainly because I spent time writing a script to extract players and classes from the website...) done but here are some interesting stats:




   
   
   
   
   
   

Class	2023	2022
Freshman	90	58
Sophomore	43	74
Junior	56	19
Senior	17	28
Total	206	179

I haven't gone into individuals much, but they lost this many:



   
   
   
   
   

Class	Lost
Returning - Sophomore	15
Returning - Junior	18
Returning - Senior	2
Total	35

This doesn't really take into account anyone listed as a Senior last year who might have taken another year.  It is straight comparing Jr -> Sr counts on the roster from last year.   


What is more interesting is looking at returning player statistics.  Their QB is coming back and most of the RB core is coming back.  However, they've been decimated at WR.




   
   
   
   
   

Category	Number of Yards
Rushing - Lost	502
Rushing - Returning	1940
Receiving - Lost	2186
Receiving - Returning	165

So that maths out to them losing 20% of their rushing and 92% of their receiving yards from last year....  Their returning receivers caught a total of 18 passes last year of 169 total passes :O

I'll try and put together the numbers for the other schools tomorrow.

[Etchglow]

If any other conferences want me to try and put this together, let me know, I may take a swing at it.

Brushed off the programming skills and wrote a quick tool to scrape the sidearm and presto sports pages for rosters so I managed to finish up everyone in the ASC except for UMHB (no roster posted).  HPU and McMurry don't have incoming classes added to the roster though.  Here is the spreadsheet:

2023 ASC Roster Changes

Howard Payne lost the fewest players:  14 total, only one an underclassman
Sul Ross lost the most players: 79 (45 freshmen, 13 Seniors, 8 Juniors, 13 Sophomores)
Hardin-Simmons lost the second most players: 72 ( 23 Seniors, 9 Juniors, 17 Sophomores, 23 Freshmen)
Sul Ross had the most transfers at 15

Here is a table of the new classes. 



   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

School	Recruiting Class
Sul Ross	109
Hardin-Simmons	99
Texas Lutheran	90
East Texas Baptist	65
Austin College	35
McMurry	Not Posted
Howard Payne	Not Posted
Mary Hardin-Baylor	Not Posted

[Ron Boerger]

If any other conferences want me to try and put this together, let me know, I may take a swing at it.

Brushed off the programming skills and wrote a quick tool to scrape the sidearm and presto sports pages for rosters so I managed to finish up everyone in the ASC except for UMHB (no roster posted).  HPU and McMurry don't have incoming classes added to the roster though.  Here is the spreadsheet:

2023 ASC Roster Changes

Howard Payne lost the fewest players:  14 total, only one an underclassman
Sul Ross lost the most players: 79 (45 freshmen, 13 Seniors, 8 Juniors, 13 Sophomores)
Hardin-Simmons lost the second most players: 72 ( 23 Seniors, 9 Juniors, 17 Sophomores, 23 Freshmen)
Sul Ross had the most transfers at 15

Here is a table of the new classes. 



   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

School	Recruiting Class
Sul Ross	109
Hardin-Simmons	99
Texas Lutheran	90
East Texas Baptist	65
Austin College	35
McMurry	Not Posted
Howard Payne	Not Posted
Mary Hardin-Baylor	Not Posted

Impressive.

Most impressive.

The problem I always had when doing this kind of analysis (silly me that hasn't programmed in decades uses Excel instead) is when the names change from year to year, like John Smith going to Johnathan Smith.  Maybe the ASC is better at this than the SAA and keeps the names consistent. 

[Etchglow]

If any other conferences want me to try and put this together, let me know, I may take a swing at it.

Brushed off the programming skills and wrote a quick tool to scrape the sidearm and presto sports pages for rosters so I managed to finish up everyone in the ASC except for UMHB (no roster posted).  HPU and McMurry don't have incoming classes added to the roster though.  Here is the spreadsheet:

2023 ASC Roster Changes

Howard Payne lost the fewest players:  14 total, only one an underclassman
Sul Ross lost the most players: 79 (45 freshmen, 13 Seniors, 8 Juniors, 13 Sophomores)
Hardin-Simmons lost the second most players: 72 ( 23 Seniors, 9 Juniors, 17 Sophomores, 23 Freshmen)
Sul Ross had the most transfers at 15

Here is a table of the new classes. 



   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

School	Recruiting Class
Sul Ross	109
Hardin-Simmons	99
Texas Lutheran	90
East Texas Baptist	65
Austin College	35
McMurry	Not Posted
Howard Payne	Not Posted
Mary Hardin-Baylor	Not Posted

Impressive.

Most impressive.

The problem I always had when doing this kind of analysis (silly me that hasn't programmed in decades uses Excel instead) is when the names change from year to year, like John Smith going to Johnathan Smith.  Maybe the ASC is better at this than the SAA and keeps the names consistent.

Doh, now there is an edge case I didn't look into...  Most of the schools in the ASC use sidearm sports which makes it easy so I can look for something like this:

<li class="sidearm-roster-player" data-bind="click: togglePlayer" data-player-id="6450" data-player-url="/sports/football/roster/grayson-bearden/6450" aria-live="polite" aria-relevant="additions">

Then parsing the name from that.  Then I look for the next line that is like this to pick up their class:

<span class="sidearm-roster-player-academic-year hide-on-large">So.</span>

Sul Ross for last year used a slightly different format for the player name so I had to search for sidearm-table-player-name.  but the key was the same url pattern being https://srlobos.com/sports/football/roster/<player name>/<number identifier>


Austin College and Texas Lutheran are the biggest outliers as they use the presto sports format.  I didn't check to see if anyone changed names on theirs.  But I supposed I can...


Honestly, it was less annoying than having to deal with the NCAA's stats pages.  I'll probably write some other code to dynamically pull it and then grab the player's stats from the NCAA website for last year.  Just to paint a more complete picture of what they lost...

[Etchglow]

Managed to get it working for the SAA with about 30 minutes of work:

SAA Roster Breakdown

Now I'm working on getting it to pull data on request instead of me having to go download the rosters manually. 

[jekelish]

If any other conferences want me to try and put this together, let me know, I may take a swing at it.

Brushed off the programming skills and wrote a quick tool to scrape the sidearm and presto sports pages for rosters so I managed to finish up everyone in the ASC except for UMHB (no roster posted).  HPU and McMurry don't have incoming classes added to the roster though.  Here is the spreadsheet:

2023 ASC Roster Changes

Howard Payne lost the fewest players:  14 total, only one an underclassman
Sul Ross lost the most players: 79 (45 freshmen, 13 Seniors, 8 Juniors, 13 Sophomores)
Hardin-Simmons lost the second most players: 72 ( 23 Seniors, 9 Juniors, 17 Sophomores, 23 Freshmen)
Sul Ross had the most transfers at 15

Here is a table of the new classes. 



   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

School	Recruiting Class
Sul Ross	109
Hardin-Simmons	99
Texas Lutheran	90
East Texas Baptist	65
Austin College	35
McMurry	Not Posted
Howard Payne	Not Posted
Mary Hardin-Baylor	Not Posted

Impressive.

Most impressive.

The problem I always had when doing this kind of analysis (silly me that hasn't programmed in decades uses Excel instead) is when the names change from year to year, like John Smith going to Johnathan Smith.  Maybe the ASC is better at this than the SAA and keeps the names consistent.

Doh, now there is an edge case I didn't look into...  Most of the schools in the ASC use sidearm sports which makes it easy so I can look for something like this:

<li class="sidearm-roster-player" data-bind="click: togglePlayer" data-player-id="6450" data-player-url="/sports/football/roster/grayson-bearden/6450" aria-live="polite" aria-relevant="additions">

Then parsing the name from that.  Then I look for the next line that is like this to pick up their class:

<span class="sidearm-roster-player-academic-year hide-on-large">So.</span>

Sul Ross for last year used a slightly different format for the player name so I had to search for sidearm-table-player-name.  but the key was the same url pattern being https://srlobos.com/sports/football/roster/<player name>/<number identifier>


Austin College and Texas Lutheran are the biggest outliers as they use the presto sports format.  I didn't check to see if anyone changed names on theirs.  But I supposed I can...


Honestly, it was less annoying than having to deal with the NCAA's stats pages.  I'll probably write some other code to dynamically pull it and then grab the player's stats from the NCAA website for last year.  Just to paint a more complete picture of what they lost...

Shouldn't be any name changes for Austin College. Though there is one thing that could get confusing; the 'Roos had a player named Caleb Williams leave, while also bringing in a freshman named Caleb Williams. (Reminiscent of when the 'Roos had two defensive tackles -- both starters -- on the same team, wearing numbers 96 and 97, both named Brett Vaughn. They were not related, FWIW.)

[Etchglow]

If any other conferences want me to try and put this together, let me know, I may take a swing at it.

Brushed off the programming skills and wrote a quick tool to scrape the sidearm and presto sports pages for rosters so I managed to finish up everyone in the ASC except for UMHB (no roster posted).  HPU and McMurry don't have incoming classes added to the roster though.  Here is the spreadsheet:

2023 ASC Roster Changes

Howard Payne lost the fewest players:  14 total, only one an underclassman
Sul Ross lost the most players: 79 (45 freshmen, 13 Seniors, 8 Juniors, 13 Sophomores)
Hardin-Simmons lost the second most players: 72 ( 23 Seniors, 9 Juniors, 17 Sophomores, 23 Freshmen)
Sul Ross had the most transfers at 15

Here is a table of the new classes. 



   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

School	Recruiting Class
Sul Ross	109
Hardin-Simmons	99
Texas Lutheran	90
East Texas Baptist	65
Austin College	35
McMurry	Not Posted
Howard Payne	Not Posted
Mary Hardin-Baylor	Not Posted

Impressive.

Most impressive.

The problem I always had when doing this kind of analysis (silly me that hasn't programmed in decades uses Excel instead) is when the names change from year to year, like John Smith going to Johnathan Smith.  Maybe the ASC is better at this than the SAA and keeps the names consistent.

Doh, now there is an edge case I didn't look into...  Most of the schools in the ASC use sidearm sports which makes it easy so I can look for something like this:

<li class="sidearm-roster-player" data-bind="click: togglePlayer" data-player-id="6450" data-player-url="/sports/football/roster/grayson-bearden/6450" aria-live="polite" aria-relevant="additions">

Then parsing the name from that.  Then I look for the next line that is like this to pick up their class:

<span class="sidearm-roster-player-academic-year hide-on-large">So.</span>

Sul Ross for last year used a slightly different format for the player name so I had to search for sidearm-table-player-name.  but the key was the same url pattern being https://srlobos.com/sports/football/roster/<player name>/<number identifier>


Austin College and Texas Lutheran are the biggest outliers as they use the presto sports format.  I didn't check to see if anyone changed names on theirs.  But I supposed I can...


Honestly, it was less annoying than having to deal with the NCAA's stats pages.  I'll probably write some other code to dynamically pull it and then grab the player's stats from the NCAA website for last year.  Just to paint a more complete picture of what they lost...

Shouldn't be any name changes for Austin College. Though there is one thing that could get confusing; the 'Roos had a player named Caleb Williams leave, while also bringing in a freshman named Caleb Williams. (Reminiscent of when the 'Roos had two defensive tackles -- both starters -- on the same team, wearing numbers 96 and 97, both named Brett Vaughn. They were not related, FWIW.)

Interesting, from a sidearm site side that should be an easy fix... Not sure about from a presto sports side like Austin College uses. That format is kind of weird.

[CruFrenzy]

Just saw on twitter that Tigres (Mexico) is scheduled to play UMHB Saturday night. In the past our JV has played Tigres and our varsity has played Monterrey Tech. Does anyone have information on wether the game vs Tigres is a varsity scrimmage? Or will it be another day vs someone else?

Thanks

[Etchglow]

Just saw on twitter that Tigres (Mexico) is scheduled to play UMHB Saturday night. In the past our JV has played Tigres and our varsity has played Monterrey Tech. Does anyone have information on wether the game vs Tigres is a varsity scrimmage? Or will it be another day vs someone else?

Thanks

I have no clue. The other scrimmage is next Saturday which I can't make so I'll go to the one this Saturday just to say I went to one... Just look for the overweight dude with a giant camera bag and long hair if you're there lol.  Bets on if we even have a roster posted by then?

[UMHB03]

Anyone know if either or both of the scrimmages will be streamed online?