FB: American Southwest Conference

[Ron Boerger]

So what happened?  Brown left ETBU as soon as he could. 

[Etchglow]

So what happened?  Brown left ETBU as soon as he could.

Yeah, Kaden Brown probably not a good example haha. Maybe Kyle Brown? I don't think he has hit the transfer portal...

As for the game today... Wasn't really expecting umhb to make the playoffs let alone win 3 road games. Defense had a flat first half but balled in the second half. Offense... Well it was there. Not going to win many games when you only score 10.

On to next year, should have a decent number of returners if they don't jet to the portal...

[CruFrenzy]

So what happened?  Brown left ETBU as soon as he could. 

Winning/Playing in a national championship probably would've changed that.

[Mavchamp]

Going to be interesting to see if the ASC is still intact by next fall.

I'm guessing no. 

Why wait another year to face the inevitable? 

It's obvious No one wants to join the ASC.

Time for the Baptist Four to go their own ways.  It's crazy that all 4 could end up in 4 different conferences/divisions/associations.

Question is....who goes where.

[TheChucker]

I'll just drop this here for fodder since the season is over for all ASC schools. I found some guy over on the D2 board claiming to have inside info that UMHB was looking into the GAC conference.

Disclaimer: the OP comes across in that board as being a bit of a...well...eccentric. His enrollment figures are way off too. It could all be BS, so take it with a grain of salt.

https://www.d2football.com/forum/forum/football/super-region-4/lsc/851623-insider-information-on-umhb-conference-shopping

[Etchglow]

Going to be interesting to see if the ASC is still intact by next fall.

I'm guessing no. 

Why wait another year to face the inevitable? 

It's obvious No one wants to join the ASC.

Time for the Baptist Four to go their own ways.  It's crazy that all 4 could end up in 4 different conferences/divisions/associations.

Question is....who goes where.

Nah, it sticks around next year and then promptly dies.  No point wasting the last year of the auto bid, or at least that's my speculation.

[Ron Boerger]

Agreed.  No sense in wasting those bids.

[justafan12]

So what happened?  Brown left ETBU as soon as he could. 

I think a D1 offer would make most leave.

[Mavchamp]

I'll just drop this here for fodder since the season is over for all ASC schools. I found some guy over on the D2 board claiming to have inside info that UMHB was looking into the GAC conference.

Disclaimer: the OP comes across in that board as being a bit of a...well...eccentric. His enrollment figures are way off too. It could all be BS, so take it with a grain of salt.

https://www.d2football.com/forum/forum/football/super-region-4/lsc/851623-insider-information-on-umhb-conference-shopping

Eccentric is a choice......

Opinions are opinions and facts are facts. They are different no matter how many times you repeat them.

He seems convinced most small private Christian schools will be defunct in the near future.  Including most of the remaining ASC schools.

That's not the case for any of the Baptist 4.  They are all fine financially. 

Things may change.  We may all end up in conferences or associations we are not excited about (temporarily or permanently) but bankruptcy isn't in the cards.

And don't even mention the academic differences he believes to be true between the LSC and not only D3 but even other D2 (GAC) conferences.

I'd take that all with a grain of salt.

IMHO......the GAC makes no geographical sense for anyone in the ASC except maybe ETBU and even the Tigers may be too far outside their footprint.

I did chuckle at his "liberal club" swipe at the SCAC though. 😂😂

[crufootball]

I hope it doesn't take any inside sources to say that UMHB (and all of the Baptist 4) is considering any option at this point, I would be angry if they weren't. This whole time I have felt like people are accusing the ASC and its members of not doing anything and perhaps I am naive but I can't believe that is possible. Now you can be mad at them for allowing it to get to this point but at this point, I can't think they have not looked under every rock and feel what they are doing is best for themselves.

[TheChucker]

I'll just drop this here for fodder since the season is over for all ASC schools. I found some guy over on the D2 board claiming to have inside info that UMHB was looking into the GAC conference.

Disclaimer: the OP comes across in that board as being a bit of a...well...eccentric. His enrollment figures are way off too. It could all be BS, so take it with a grain of salt.

https://www.d2football.com/forum/forum/football/super-region-4/lsc/851623-insider-information-on-umhb-conference-shopping

Eccentric is a choice......

Opinions are opinions and facts are facts. They are different no matter how many times you repeat them.

He seems convinced most small private Christian schools will be defunct in the near future.  Including most of the remaining ASC schools.

That's not the case for any of the Baptist 4.  They are all fine financially. 

Things may change.  We may all end up in conferences or associations we are not excited about (temporarily or permanently) but bankruptcy isn't in the cards.

And don't even mention the academic differences he believes to be true between the LSC and not only D3 but even other D2 (GAC) conferences.

I'd take that all with a grain of salt.

IMHO......the GAC makes no geographical sense for anyone in the ASC except maybe ETBU and even the Tigers may be too far outside their footprint.

I did chuckle at his "liberal club" swipe at the SCAC though. 😂😂

Directional state universities get public funding, so yeah, they have a longer financial rope. Private schools that aren't blessed with massive endowments (hedge funds with dorms) need to solicit substantial donations to make up the gap. The 4 remaining ASC schools do just that and are fine. That said, the expanded free tuition program for UT schools in Texas probably makes it harder to compete. 

As for academics, the four ASC schools produced more Academic All Americans since 2019 (42) than the five football playing Texas LSC schools (32). For ASC, it was UMHB (17), HSU (13) and ETBU (10) then HPU with 2. West Texas pulls the weight in the LSC (22), Midwestern (6) then Kingsville (4). Permian and Sul Ross had zero.

[Crubill]

I'll just drop this here for fodder since the season is over for all ASC schools. I found some guy over on the D2 board claiming to have inside info that UMHB was looking into the GAC conference.

Disclaimer: the OP comes across in that board as being a bit of a...well...eccentric. His enrollment figures are way off too. It could all be BS, so take it with a grain of salt.

https://www.d2football.com/forum/forum/football/super-region-4/lsc/851623-insider-information-on-umhb-conference-shopping

I'm not sure this guy's angle. If D2 is the goal for UMHB, I can see aiming for GAC because it is the class of our geographic region. To succeed at that level we would need to compete with the likes of Harding and Owachata. The Lone Star Conference is struggling to keep up with them in the playoffs. I can see UMHB becoming competitive rather quickly in the LSC, whereas the GAC will probably be a challenge but could bring us better long term success if we step up to the competition, and probably provides better potential future rivals.

[TheChucker]

I'll just drop this here for fodder since the season is over for all ASC schools. I found some guy over on the D2 board claiming to have inside info that UMHB was looking into the GAC conference.

Disclaimer: the OP comes across in that board as being a bit of a...well...eccentric. His enrollment figures are way off too. It could all be BS, so take it with a grain of salt.

https://www.d2football.com/forum/forum/football/super-region-4/lsc/851623-insider-information-on-umhb-conference-shopping

I'm not sure this guy's angle. If D2 is the goal for UMHB, I can see aiming for GAC because it is the class of our geographic region. To succeed at that level we would need to compete with the likes of Harding and Owachata. The Lone Star Conference is struggling to keep up with them in the playoffs. I can see UMHB becoming competitive rather quickly in the LSC, whereas the GAC will probably be a challenge but could bring us better long term success if we step up to the competition, and probably provides better potential future rivals.

The GAC is a better fit institutionally for a private school, but it is a long haul for travel (not bad for ETBU). I'm guessing the only way the GAC would consider new membership is if multiple ASC schools moved. Granted, the LSC is so spread out and includes trips to the pan handle, NM, WA and OR that would make travel challenging too. If nothing else, the GAC has proven that private schools can thrive in D2 football. It's too bad that none of the LSC privates play football.

Former trips to Belhaven, Ozarks, and Sul Ross were no picnic either I guess.

[Etchglow]

I'll just drop this here for fodder since the season is over for all ASC schools. I found some guy over on the D2 board claiming to have inside info that UMHB was looking into the GAC conference.

Disclaimer: the OP comes across in that board as being a bit of a...well...eccentric. His enrollment figures are way off too. It could all be BS, so take it with a grain of salt.

https://www.d2football.com/forum/forum/football/super-region-4/lsc/851623-insider-information-on-umhb-conference-shopping

I'm not sure this guy's angle. If D2 is the goal for UMHB, I can see aiming for GAC because it is the class of our geographic region. To succeed at that level we would need to compete with the likes of Harding and Owachata. The Lone Star Conference is struggling to keep up with them in the playoffs. I can see UMHB becoming competitive rather quickly in the LSC, whereas the GAC will probably be a challenge but could bring us better long term success if we step up to the competition, and probably provides better potential future rivals.

The GAC is a better fit institutionally for a private school, but it is a long haul for travel (not bad for ETBU). I'm guessing the only way the GAC would consider new membership is if multiple ASC schools moved. Granted, the LSC is so spread out and includes trips to the pan handle, NM, WA and OR that would make travel challenging too. If nothing else, the GAC has proven that private schools can thrive in D2 football. It's too bad that none of the LSC privates play football.

Former trips to Belhaven, Ozarks, and Sul Ross were no picnic either I guess.

I still say that LSC makes sense if they get 2 ASC teams and drop the PNW teams.  Not sure what the appetite for that is though...

[Mavchamp]

Geographically the LSC makes a lot more sense for UMHB and HSU.

But athletic spending is 30-40% higher in the LSC than the GAC

lSC makes no geographical sense for ETBU.  GAC makes a lot more sense. But the GaC may not want to go into Texas. They have a fairly tight footprint I. Arkansas and Oklahoma.

I'm guessing the SAC in the NAIA is the next best option for football for any or all of the ASC.  Red River for ETBU in all other sports.