FB: American Southwest Conference

[Sader4life]

So what I am hearing is that, there is no possible way UMHB could catch Millsaps.
Muhlenburg possibly shipped to the East leaving
#1 Millsaps vs #8 Huntingdon/LaGrange winner in Jackson, MS
#2 UMHB vs #3 Hardin-Simmons in Belton, TX
#4 Catholic vs #7 Wesley in Washington DC
#5 Hampden Sydney vs #6 Washington and Jefferson in Hampden-Sydney VA

How accurate or close to accurate is that playoff scenario?

I know its early days, but none of those games require plane rides, and it only has one glitch the "Texas Sub-Bracket" but anyone who knows Division III football knows that its almost a requirement that that game is played in the first round. Even if they were ranked Number 1 and 2 in the nation and in the region the NCAA would still pair them together. Its tough on the ASC but that's life.
My question is do they try saving money in the second round as well thus sending the UMHB/HSU winner to Jackson MS and potentially having Numbers 4,5,6 and 7 fighting for a place in the region final. I know it makes sense financially but in football logic does it make sense.

Footnote:
Generally speaking, the No. 1 seed plays the No. 8 seed, the No. 2 seed plays the No. 7 seed, No. 3 plays No. 6 and No. 4 plays No. 5. But the committee also reserves the right to juggle first-round pairings to satisfy their travel requirements as well as keep conference foes from facing each other in the first round  Now that is funny!!!!!!!!!!!

[@d3jason]

So what I am hearing is that, there is no possible way UMHB could catch Millsaps.
Muhlenburg possibly shipped to the East leaving
#1 Millsaps vs #8 Huntingdon/LaGrange winner in Jackson, MS
#2 UMHB vs #3 Hardin-Simmons in Belton, TX
#4 Catholic vs #7 Wesley in Washington DC
#5 Hampden Sydney vs #6 Washington and Jefferson in Hampden-Sydney VA

How accurate or close to accurate is that playoff scenario?

I know its early days, but none of those games require plane rides, and it only has one glitch the "Texas Sub-Bracket" but anyone who knows Division III football knows that its almost a requirement that that game is played in the first round. Even if they were ranked Number 1 and 2 in the nation and in the region the NCAA would still pair them together. Its tough on the ASC but that's life.
My question is do they try saving money in the second round as well thus sending the UMHB/HSU winner to Jackson MS and potentially having Numbers 4,5,6 and 7 fighting for a place in the region final. I know it makes sense financially but in football logic does it make sense.

Footnote:
Generally speaking, the No. 1 seed plays the No. 8 seed, the No. 2 seed plays the No. 7 seed, No. 3 plays No. 6 and No. 4 plays No. 5. But the committee also reserves the right to juggle first-round pairings to satisfy their travel requirements as well as keep conference foes from facing each other in the first round  Now that is funny!!!!!!!!!!!

Unless Thomas More gets moved to the North, they would be in the bracket not W&J (who is still a Pool C candidate with a lot of one-loss teams.)

Plus I don't think the HSU/UMHB would have to travel to Millsaps once the bracket is set up.
Unless and I'm just guessing but this could be a reason not to move Muhlenberg who could host the eastern part of the region bracket, while the southern teams would have go through Jackson (if Millsaps wins.)

Also the USAC winner (CNU or Ferrum) also needs a spot in the field. So two teams may have to be moved. May be three get moved IF W&J and Wesley get in.

[Ralph Turner]

So what I am hearing is that, there is no possible way UMHB could catch Millsaps.
Muhlenburg possibly shipped to the East leaving
#1 Millsaps vs #8 Huntingdon/LaGrange winner in Jackson, MS
#2 UMHB vs #3 Hardin-Simmons in Belton, TX
#4 Catholic vs #7 Wesley in Washington DC
#5 Hampden Sydney vs #6 Washington and Jefferson in Hampden-Sydney VA

How accurate or close to accurate is that playoff scenario?

I know its early days, but none of those games require plane rides, and it only has one glitch the "Texas Sub-Bracket" but anyone who knows Division III football knows that its almost a requirement that that game is played in the first round. Even if they were ranked Number 1 and 2 in the nation and in the region the NCAA would still pair them together. Its tough on the ASC but that's life.
My question is do they try saving money in the second round as well thus sending the UMHB/HSU winner to Jackson MS and potentially having Numbers 4,5,6 and 7 fighting for a place in the region final. I know it makes sense financially but in football logic does it make sense.

Footnote:
Generally speaking, the No. 1 seed plays the No. 8 seed, the No. 2 seed plays the No. 7 seed, No. 3 plays No. 6 and No. 4 plays No. 5. But the committee also reserves the right to juggle first-round pairings to satisfy their travel requirements as well as keep conference foes from facing each other in the first round  Now that is funny!!!!!!!!!!!

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Plus I don't think the HSU/UMHB would have to travel to Millsaps once the bracket is set up.

Unless and I'm just guessing but this could be a reason not to move Muhlenberg who could host the eastern part of the region bracket, while the southern teams would have go through Jackson (if Millsaps wins.)

Also the USAC winner (CNU or Ferrum) also needs a spot in the field. So two teams may have to be moved. May be three get moved IF W&J and Wesley get in.

Respectfully, I think that HSU/UMHB is the likely second round game in the southern half of the bracket for Millsaps.  HSU or HC/LaGrange is a plane flight anywhere.

[@d3jason]

So what I am hearing is that, there is no possible way UMHB could catch Millsaps.
Muhlenburg possibly shipped to the East leaving
#1 Millsaps vs #8 Huntingdon/LaGrange winner in Jackson, MS
#2 UMHB vs #3 Hardin-Simmons in Belton, TX
#4 Catholic vs #7 Wesley in Washington DC
#5 Hampden Sydney vs #6 Washington and Jefferson in Hampden-Sydney VA

How accurate or close to accurate is that playoff scenario?

I know its early days, but none of those games require plane rides, and it only has one glitch the "Texas Sub-Bracket" but anyone who knows Division III football knows that its almost a requirement that that game is played in the first round. Even if they were ranked Number 1 and 2 in the nation and in the region the NCAA would still pair them together. Its tough on the ASC but that's life.
My question is do they try saving money in the second round as well thus sending the UMHB/HSU winner to Jackson MS and potentially having Numbers 4,5,6 and 7 fighting for a place in the region final. I know it makes sense financially but in football logic does it make sense.

Footnote:
Generally speaking, the No. 1 seed plays the No. 8 seed, the No. 2 seed plays the No. 7 seed, No. 3 plays No. 6 and No. 4 plays No. 5. But the committee also reserves the right to juggle first-round pairings to satisfy their travel requirements as well as keep conference foes from facing each other in the first round  Now that is funny!!!!!!!!!!!

...
Plus I don't think the HSU/UMHB would have to travel to Millsaps once the bracket is set up.

Unless and I'm just guessing but this could be a reason not to move Muhlenberg who could host the eastern part of the region bracket, while the southern teams would have go through Jackson (if Millsaps wins.)

Also the USAC winner (CNU or Ferrum) also needs a spot in the field. So two teams may have to be moved. May be three get moved IF W&J and Wesley get in.

Respectfully, I think that HSU/UMHB is the likely second round game in the southern half of the bracket for Millsaps.  HSU or HC/LaGrange is a plane flight anywhere.

Wouldn't that require reseeding after the first round? Has that been done before?

If Muhlenberg moves east, I would think Wesley/Catholic winner to Millsaps (with a win over Huntingdon) and HSU/UMHB winner hosts Hampden-Sydney/CNU winner. If they put 1,2,3 on the same side that would even more of a travesty.

If Mulhenberg stays south the committee has a better chance of splitting the bracket regionally, then the Millsaps vs Texas 2nd round scenario does become more likely.

[Ralph Turner]

So what I am hearing is that, there is no possible way UMHB could catch Millsaps.
Muhlenburg possibly shipped to the East leaving
#1 Millsaps vs #8 Huntingdon/LaGrange winner in Jackson, MS
#2 UMHB vs #3 Hardin-Simmons in Belton, TX
#4 Catholic vs #7 Wesley in Washington DC
#5 Hampden Sydney vs #6 Washington and Jefferson in Hampden-Sydney VA

How accurate or close to accurate is that playoff scenario?

I know its early days, but none of those games require plane rides, and it only has one glitch the "Texas Sub-Bracket" but anyone who knows Division III football knows that its almost a requirement that that game is played in the first round. Even if they were ranked Number 1 and 2 in the nation and in the region the NCAA would still pair them together. Its tough on the ASC but that's life.
My question is do they try saving money in the second round as well thus sending the UMHB/HSU winner to Jackson MS and potentially having Numbers 4,5,6 and 7 fighting for a place in the region final. I know it makes sense financially but in football logic does it make sense.

Footnote:
Generally speaking, the No. 1 seed plays the No. 8 seed, the No. 2 seed plays the No. 7 seed, No. 3 plays No. 6 and No. 4 plays No. 5. But the committee also reserves the right to juggle first-round pairings to satisfy their travel requirements as well as keep conference foes from facing each other in the first round  Now that is funny!!!!!!!!!!!

...
Plus I don't think the HSU/UMHB would have to travel to Millsaps once the bracket is set up.

Unless and I'm just guessing but this could be a reason not to move Muhlenberg who could host the eastern part of the region bracket, while the southern teams would have go through Jackson (if Millsaps wins.)

Also the USAC winner (CNU or Ferrum) also needs a spot in the field. So two teams may have to be moved. May be three get moved IF W&J and Wesley get in.

Respectfully, I think that HSU/UMHB is the likely second round game in the southern half of the bracket for Millsaps.  HSU or HC/LaGrange is a plane flight anywhere.

Wouldn't that require reseeding after the first round? Has that been done before?

If Muhlenberg moves east, I would think Wesley/Catholic winner to Millsaps (with a win over Huntingdon) and HSU/UMHB winner hosts Hampden-Sydney/CNU winner. If they put 1,2,3 on the same side that would even more of a travesty.

If Mulhenberg stays south the committee has a better chance of splitting the bracket regionally, then the Millsaps vs Texas 2nd round scenario does become more likely.

No, respectfully, that is the reality of the Texas Sub-Bracket!

[@d3jason]

Unfortunately, but I don't see any solutions unless the 'AA wants to pony up more $$$ for flights.

[@d3jason]

Ralph--

What is your dream bracket pairings with $$$ not involved and who you think are the best teams in the region?(Minus the OPP OWP etc)

I still think that UMHB and Wesley are the teams to beat. Millsaps and HSU are certainly in the mix.

[Ralph Turner]

Conrad, you have added a couple of posts as I was researching this one.  Here goes and thanks friend.


I have posted a history of the Texas Sub-bracket.

I have called the trophy of the game that matches the best teams in Texas as the "Barbed Wire and Mesquite" in Post #15.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=5306.15

Here are the three most blatant examples of this with the seeds.

2002 -- The original "Bracketgate" game  #3 UMHB at #2 Trinity  TU wins 48-38.  Bridgewater got the bye.  TU goes to the Stagg Bowl.

2005 -- #3 UMHB at #1 Trinity.

2006 --  #3 HSU at #2 UMHB.  This was another bracket game.  The NCAA used the wrong mileage numbers that should have sent Millsaps to UMHB.  Instead, the Majors were flown to CMU.

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2006/11/12/immediate-reaction-to-2006-bracket/

Daily Dose post beginning 4:37 pm with an in-depth discussion on this travesty.



I think that the Top 4 seeds deserve a home game, period.  The Top 2 deserve 2 games, and the Top seed, three games.

If travel is a consideration, then give a #4 seed a "favorable game" somewhere else.

I think that HSU would rather go another bracket so it can show its stuff, rather than play UMHB in the first round again.  Fly the travel orphans around.

As for my best bracket, I will post it after the games on Saturday.  Thanks!

And sometimes, there are just so many talented teams in the Texas, that you just cannot avoid it, e.g.,  2004 Bracket.  Here is the Top 25 in Week #11 in 2004 on UMHB's way to the Stagg Bowl.

[Gray Fox]

I'm pushing for Redlands to get in and play their first round in Texas.

[Gray Fox]

Last night David Letterman had a McMurry freshman woman appear on the Stupid Human Tricks segment.  She and another woman played a piano piece with their noses.

They couldn't match the woman who scratched the inside of her eyelids.

[Sader4life]

The thing is every year the NCAA seems to pull a surprise which no-one sees coming, and I just can't wait to see what they have in store for us this year. I'm like a little boy on Christmas Eve anticipating what my present will be.

[crufootball]

I am assuming it is going to be coal 

[Ron Boerger]

I am assuming it is going to be coal 

+1 !!

[CUAfan]

My predictions for today:

Louisiana College 34, McMurry 8 in 26 possessions
Mary Hardin-Baylor 52, Sul Ross State 8 in 24 possessions
East Texas Baptist 36, Howard Payne 14 in 28 possessions
Mississippi College 33, Texas Lutheran 12 in 26 possessions

[Major Rev]

Well, looks like from the scoreboard that there will be some bracket shuffling!  Anybody want to start over?