FB: American Southwest Conference

[Cru Info]

What is your take?

[wildcat11]

Yes sir, point well taken. However, giving credit where credit is due, it does show the mark of a champion to be able to get a crucial stop late in the ball game and come from 21 points back and find a way to win. That is why I think there better.

Actually, Linfield came back from multiple scores in the 4th quarter after losing our starting qb and tailback earlier in the game to take a late lead and have HSU on the ropes on their last drive until Feaster under threw that fade to Baker on 3rd and 13 deep in HSU territory to save the Cowboy bacon.  Feaster was outstanding on that last drive.

I have a ton of respect for HSU and their program but HSU was not and is currently not "flat out better" than Linfield.  Not a chance.

[voice]

As I indicated in an earlier post, former UMHB linebacker Jarell Freeman is off to a great rookie season
with the CFL's Saskatchewan Roughriders. Great feature article published today in the Regina, SK
Leader-Post
http://www.leaderpost.com/sports/Roughriders+linebacker+Jerrell+Freeman+promising+start/1789605/story.html

[cowboyfan]

HSU will likely beat Linfield, I just think there flat out better

Nothing says flat out better like a last minute drive to pull out a win.  I guess we'll find out in Oregon who's better this time around.

A win is still a win. Should be a great matchup again this year. I agree HSU is FLAT OUT BETTER.

[roocru]

Cruinfo,

I understand your fervor but you have already received the answers to your question about a 3rd ASC team making the playoffs.  It makes no difference whether the ASC is perceived to be a stronger conference or not.  The criteria for selection are spelled out in Pat's FAQ section of D3 football.com and that and that alone determines playoff consideration.  When teams that go 9-1 with higher regional winning percentages than a 3rd place ASC team are left out each year by the selection committee, you have your answer.  When UMHB was left out several years ago when they tied for first, then you have your answer.  So many things would have to happen it is almost a statistical impossibility for your scenario.  Sorry but that is my take on your query.

[cowboyfan]

Yes sir, point well taken. However, giving credit where credit is due, it does show the mark of a champion to be able to get a crucial stop late in the ball game and come from 21 points back and find a way to win. That is why I think there better.

Actually, Linfield came back from multiple scores in the 4th quarter after losing our starting qb and tailback earlier in the game to take a late lead and have HSU on the ropes on their last drive until Feaster under threw that fade to Baker on 3rd and 13 deep in HSU territory to save the Cowboy bacon.  Feaster was outstanding on that last drive.

I have a ton of respect for HSU and their program but HSU was not and is currently not "flat out better" than Linfield.  Not a chance.

If you have so much respect for HSU why don't you acknowledge that Winning is Winning. UMHB beat HSU twice by a combined total of 5 points. You know what UMHB was still BETTER than HSU last season. As far as i am concerned the margin of a win is not as important as the ability in ANY circumstance to pull out a win. If you "have a ton of respect for HSU" due yourself a favor and show some of it. See you in september. Gets hot down here in WEST TEXAS.

[Cru Info]

Cruinfo,

I understand your fervor but you have already received the answers to your question about a 3rd ASC team making the playoffs.  It makes no difference whether the ASC is perceived to be a stronger conference or not.  The criteria for selection are spelled out in Pat's FAQ section of D3 football.com and that and that alone determines playoff consideration.  When teams that go 9-1 with higher regional winning percentages than a 3rd place ASC team are left out each year by the selection committee, you have your answer.  When UMHB was left out several years ago when they tied for first, then you have your answer.  So many things would have to happen it is almost a statistical impossibility for your scenario.  Sorry but that is my take on your query.

Please don't apologize; you have nothing to apologize for. I was simply asking a few questions and you're providing answers, thank you sir.  LOL - this time I will try to limit myself to four questions, roocru.

Is there any pressure, coming from voices who strongly support DIII football or from conferences, colleges and/or university administrators to take another look at the playoff system and determine if it at all could be made more competitive and fair in regards to seeding/travel cost constraints? Cost constraints why understandable in these economic conditions undoubtedly is a factor, however to treat DIII players and programs differently when it comes to funding of the divisions for playoff purposes isn't fair.  How much bigger are the travel budgets when it relates to DII and D1-AA using NCAA funds, or does each school handle travel expenses for the playoffs?

A year or two ago was there not some talk about possibly splitting division 3 into two divisions, a competitive division and a non-competitive division 4. Knowing that the vote didn't pass, what is the likelihood we see the subject reevaluated by the NCAA and other decision making bodies? Is there another body with any type of oversight in this area?

[roocru]

Cruinfo,

I understand your fervor but you have already received the answers to your question about a 3rd ASC team making the playoffs.  It makes no difference whether the ASC is perceived to be a stronger conference or not.  The criteria for selection are spelled out in Pat's FAQ section of D3 football.com and that and that alone determines playoff consideration.  When teams that go 9-1 with higher regional winning percentages than a 3rd place ASC team are left out each year by the selection committee, you have your answer.  When UMHB was left out several years ago when they tied for first, then you have your answer.  So many things would have to happen it is almost a statistical impossibility for your scenario.  Sorry but that is my take on your query.

Please don't apologize; you have nothing to apologize for. I was simply asking a few questions and you're providing answers, thank you sir.  LOL - this time I will try to limit myself to four questions, roocru.

Is there any pressure, coming from voices who strongly support DIII football or from conferences, colleges and/or university administrators to take another look at the playoff system and determine if it at all could be made more competitive and fair in regards to seeding/travel cost constraints? Cost constraints why understandable in these economic conditions undoubtedly is a factor, however to treat DIII players and programs differently when it comes to funding of the divisions for playoff purposes isn't fair.  How much bigger are the travel budgets when it relates to DII and D1-AA using NCAA funds, or does each school handle travel expenses for the playoffs?

A year or two ago was there not some talk about possibly splitting division 3 into two divisions, a competitive division and a non-competitive division 4. Knowing that the vote didn't pass, what is the likelihood we see the subject reevaluated by the NCAA and other decision making bodies? Is there another body with any type of oversight in this area?

IMHO;

1)  Most people seem to think the current playoff system is as fair as it can be while limiting it to 32 teams.
2)  Higher divisions get more money, fair or not.
3)  The money for D3 playoffs comes from the NCAA only.  My understanding is that it is primarily from March Madness.  The NCAA takes costs for travel very serious.  That is why geography trumps seeding and why bus trips meet first in playoffs.  This causes the infamous Texas sub-bracket where the ASC and SCAC playoff representatives always meet in the 1st and 2nd round of the playoffs no matter what their seeding is.  They also limit travel squads.
4)  The likelihood of revisiting Division 4 is very limited.  I believe it was pushed by a very few school and soundly defeated.  There is no other governing body than the NCAA unless you switch to NAIA affiliation.

[wildcat11]

If you have so much respect for HSU why don't you acknowledge that Winning is Winning. UMHB beat HSU twice by a combined total of 5 points. You know what UMHB was still BETTER than HSU last season. As far as i am concerned the margin of a win is not as important as the ability in ANY circumstance to pull out a win. If you "have a ton of respect for HSU" due yourself a favor and show some of it. See you in september. Gets hot down here in WEST TEXAS.

Last year's game HSU got the job done vs Linfield.  However, I'm not just going to keep my mouth shut when others claim there is some deep chasm between the programs quality....there isn't.

Again, we'll find out this year in Oregon.  It gets warm with NO humidity here in NORTHWEST OREGON so the ‘Boys better be ready for mild and pleasant late summer weather! 

[Cru Info]

Last year's game HSU got the job done vs Linfield.  However, I'm not just going to keep my mouth shut when others claim there is some deep chasm between the programs quality....there isn't.

Sir, hello. My name on this board is not others. It's Cru Info. The reason I assume you were talking to me is because I'm the only person who stated such... HSU is flat out better...
Here are my reasons:

Linfield did beat UMHB in the '04 Natl. Championship game, however since that game UMHB has gone on to win 4 straight American Southwest Conference Titles and has appeared in 2 Nat'l Semi-final games. HSU posted two  back to back 8-2 seasons (05-06) two NCAA playoff appearances since 2004 losing to UMHB,  while Linfield has struggled to a second and third place finishes since '05, making the playoffs only once in '05, falling in the first round, and yes  a loss on their belt vs. HSU IN '08.

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[wildcat11]

HSU posted two  back to back 8-2 seasons (05-06) two NCAA playoff appearances since 2004 losing to UMHB,  while Linfield has struggled to a second and third place finishes since ‘05, making the playoffs only once in ’05, falling in the first round, and yes  a loss on their belt vs. HSU IN ’08.

Actually, Linfield lost in the West Regional Finals to UWW in '05 after beating Oxy and Concordia in the first two rounds, but yes Linfield has struggled to three consecutive 2nd place finishes in the NWC (no 3rd place finishes) but HSU has had four 2nd place finishes during that time too.  That doesn't seem like a big disparity to me. 

Look if HSU gets the win on the road at the Catdome then I'll be more than happy to tell the Cowboy faithful congrats on the 3-1 series win but if not this will end 2-2 with each team defending their home field and each team will part ways after a hard fought 4 season match up.  Either way it’s been a pleasure to visit WEST TEXAS twice and play a fantastic program.

[Cru Info]

Posted on: Today at 12:34:13 pm by wildcat11. 
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"  That doesn't seem like a big disparity to me.  "

The disparity is the playoff appearances; HSU has two in the last three years. Linfield has none. Championships are won by those who compete for it in the NCAA Football DIII National Championship Playoff. Linfield has no appearances the last three years. That's criteria on which I state my humble opinion; HSU is flat out better... The series count is 2-1, best out of three you take your marbles and go home. If it reaches 3-1 there leaves no room for doubt. But that's HSU job.
I hope it's a really great game! Wish it would get a live feed on d3football or maybe a website so I could watch at the Cru games on my phone.

[Toby Taff]

Since I actually watch HSU play pretty regularly, let me say that HSU improved greatly over the course of last year, but HUS and Linfield were pretty evenly matched in the game last year.  I suspect that will be the case again this year.  Take it for what you will, but those boys from Oregon came into the Texas heat and played good football without fading.  It took heroics by Feaster to put HSU over the top.  We'll just have to wait and see if the Cowboys can play in mild weather.  They may think its spring time and head for the beach 

[Cru Info]

If it hasn't already been announced on here,
UMHB has three incoming freshmen playing in the
TEXAS HIGH SCHOOL COACHES ASSOCIATION ALL-STAR FOOTBALL GAME
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - University of Texas, Austin, TX - 7:30 PM 

For the North All Stars: (Black Jerseys)
# 65 Brett Gunn Center 6-1 275  Temple HS

For the South All Stars (Red Jerseys)
# 12 Colby Summers  FS  6-0  185  Mart  HS
# 33 Dustin Stapp  FB 5-10  195  Junction HS
Congrats you future Crusaders!!!

Nice job recruiting by Pete and his coaches, I noticed on the THSCA website where it listed the roster for the game that no other ASC team has any incoming freshmen listed on the all-star rosters.

Side Note: About 7 or 8 guys that committed to UMHB participated in the FCA Victory Bowl in Waco a few weeks back. It's the Central Texas All-Star game. The article was written by Bryce Cheri on Waco Tribune Herald. His article talked about a Charles Hitches QB Marlin HS and Tyler Coker TE Salado HS, how well they played. There were a few others in the game that are headed to Belton in a few weeks.  Nick Hall DE Harker Heights HS, Norris Alexander DE Waco University, Brett Gunn OL Temple, Harvey Lee LB McGregor HS, according to the Local News Outlets in Central Texas.

UMHB has always done a great job recruiting central Texas.  Quincy Daniels of Belton HS, Jerrell Freeman of Waco University HS, Jarvis Thrasher of Temple HS, and Freddie Rollins of McGregor HS just to name a few!!!

I wonder how many freshmen and newcomers will report to camp. Seems like the coaches did another excellent job recruiting! From what I hear UMHB will start up on the 17th of August with their first workout! Football is right around the corner, SMELL IT!!!

[Ralph Turner]

Posted on: Today at 12:34:13 pm by wildcat11. 
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"  That doesn't seem like a big disparity to me.  "

The disparity is the playoff appearances; HSU has two in the last three years. Linfield has none. Championships are won by those who compete for it in the NCAA Football DIII National Championship Playoff. Linfield has no appearances the last three years. That's criteria on which I state my humble opinion; HSU is flat out better... The series count is 2-1, best out of three you take your marbles and go home. If it reaches 3-1 there leaves no room for doubt. But that's HSU job.
I hope it's a really great game! Wish it would get a live feed on d3football or maybe a website so I could watch at the Cru games on my phone.

Really, McMurry plans to videostream its home football games this year (as well as home men's and women's hoops and baseball.