FB: American Southwest Conference

[Pat Coleman]

It's 9 a.m. on Whittier's site, but that's PST.

[Ralph Turner]

It's 9 a.m. on Whittier's site, but that's PST.

It makes sense.  Whittier can catch either of the 5pm flights out of El Paso on Saturday night.

[Toby Taff]

It's 9 a.m. on Whittier's site, but that's PST.

It makes sense.  Whittier can catch either of the 5pm flights out of El Paso on Saturday night.

So the game is actually @ 10am El Paso time, 11am Alpine Time and 9 am Whittier time.

[Cru Info]

cru, I don't think that you have seen enough D3 football outside of the ASC.

You don't understand how much talent there is in D3. 

They named only 50 players.  This list is not like so many other lists that have 19 guys as first teamers and another 21 guys on the second team, plus a thrid string and Honorable Mentions.

Hey, and just as a reminder, we named an ASC guy to the team who ran for 109 yards last year. Did anyone else name Quincy Daniels a preseason All-American?

I'm glad I was able to spark so much debate. UMHB nor HSU has won a NAT'L Championship, so I understand how you come to the conclusion that the ASC is the No. 3 conference. Pat, I respect you and your staff's opinion; I still feel Feaster is better than the other two selections. MUST BE CLOSE TO THE SEASON!!!!

Ralph, I have been privileged to travel across the country numerous times to see DIII games, outside the ASC. It is my opinion that TEXAS ASC teams have such a better crop of athletes to choose from than many other parts of the country. I feel Texas football players are better athletes in general. Obviously champions are measured by winning games, i.e. Nat'l Championships / Conference Championships. 

[Cru Info]

At UMHB, each week holds the opportunity to crush our championship hopes and grind our would-be glass trophy into the hard jagged edges of cutting defeat. And even if, the Cru traverses the slings and arrows of outrageous football fortune and emerges unscathed, we still might end up getting screwed by the idiocy of the current NCAA Selection Committee, or a referee's complete mishandling of a call. But for a month, before the season really begins in earnest, these thoughts are ignored.

The No. 1 debate that rages across the college football universe in my opinion is whose conference is better, right? I've jumped into this fray, much to the annoyance of several d3board fans, by crafting an extremely powerful and intellectual argument. Namely, that the WIAC sucks except UWW and the rest of the conference gets by. I feel the same about Mt. Union's conference. Many could make the same argument about the ASC and UMHB.  But if you're like me, you see that the relative strength of conference argument motivates virtually every fan debate across the sweep of our college football country. How many other sports in American history spend as much time arguing about outcomes with no real way to ever provide any validity to these opinions? 

[wildcat11]

grind our would-be glass trophy into the hard jagged edges of cutting defeat

First off at the DIII level we play for the Walnut and Bronze, not that ugly crystal ball they hoist up at the DI level.

Second, come up with your own thoughts or credit the ones you lift from: 

ClayNation: Conference vs. conference? I have a dream - Aug 6, 2007
http://www.cbssports.com/spin/story/10283654

Each week holds the opportunity to crush your championship hopes and grind your would-be glass trophy into the hard jagged edges of cutting defeat. And even if, god forbid, your team traverses the slings and arrows of outrageous football fortune and emerges unscathed, you still might end up getting screwed by the idiocy of the current BCS system. But for a month, before the season really begins in earnest, these thoughts are ignored.

Even in late summer, I'm not willing to imagine a football playoff in my daydreams because I've heard too many times from too many officials in positions of prominence in NCAA football that there can't be a playoff because (insert sundry illegitimate and illogical reason here). Even though, as my column in a couple of weeks will demonstrate, every one of these arguments is actually insulting to every reasonably intelligent fan on earth.

So what I'm daydreaming about now is not even a playoff. Instead it's something that should happen at the start of each college football season.

What's the No. 1 debate that rages across the college football universe, excluding how many women on college campuses Kirk Herbstreit could sleep with if he was single? Whose conference is better, right? I've jumped into this fray, much to the chagrin of several Pac-10 fans, by crafting an extremely powerful and intellectual argument.

Namely, that the Pac-10 sucks except USC and the rest of the conference gets by on the "penumbra of hotness" factor that cloaks unattractive women who enter a bar behind an extremely attractive woman. But if you're like me, you see that the relative strength of conference

[Pat Coleman]

I've jumped into this fray, much to the annoyance of several d3board fans, by crafting stealing an extremely powerful and intellectual argument.

[Gray Fox]

At UMHB, each week holds the opportunity to crush our championship hopes and grind our would-be glass trophy into the hard jagged edges of cutting defeat. And even if, the Cru traverses the slings and arrows of outrageous football fortune and emerges unscathed, we still might end up getting screwed by the idiocy of the current NCAA Selection Committee, or a referee's complete mishandling of a call. But for a month, before the season really begins in earnest, these thoughts are ignored.

The No. 1 debate that rages across the college football universe in my opinion is whose conference is better, right? I've jumped into this fray, much to the annoyance of several d3board fans, by crafting an extremely powerful and intellectual argument. Namely, that the WIAC sucks except UWW and the rest of the conference gets by. I feel the same about Mt. Union's conference. Many could make the same argument about the ASC and UMHB.  But if you're like me, you see that the relative strength of conference argument motivates virtually every fan debate across the sweep of our college football country. How many other sports in American history spend as much time arguing about outcomes with no real way to ever provide any validity to these opinions? 

Turn in your diploma until such time as you rewrite all of your term papers and dissertations.

[OxyBob]

Nicely done, wc11. And here I thought that Jayson Blair had attended UM, not UMHB.

Turn in your diploma until such time as you rewrite all of your term papers and dissertations.

Looks like someone didn't read the rules at UMHB:

Classroom Expectations & Ethics

Academic Honesty

At the university level of the student's education, honesty and integrity are expected in all approaches to learning. In order to maintain academic honesty and integrity two primary areas must be addressed.

Plagiarism (exemplified by but not restricted to):

• The offering of any work done by another as your own work.
• Using quotations or the paraphrase of a quote within your work without citing the source.
• Using a paper for one course that was prepared for another course without both instructors' knowledge and permission.

...

OxyBob

[02 Warhawk]

cru, I don't think that you have seen enough D3 football outside of the ASC.

You don't understand how much talent there is in D3.  

They named only 50 players.  This list is not like so many other lists that have 19 guys as first teamers and another 21 guys on the second team, plus a thrid string and Honorable Mentions.

Hey, and just as a reminder, we named an ASC guy to the team who ran for 109 yards last year. Did anyone else name Quincy Daniels a preseason All-American?

I'm glad I was able to spark so much debate. UMHB nor HSU has won a NAT'L Championship, so I understand how you come to the conclusion that the ASC is the No. 3 conference. Pat, I respect you and your staff's opinion; I still feel Feaster is better than the other two selections. MUST BE CLOSE TO THE SEASON!!!!

Ralph, I have been privileged to travel across the country numerous times to see DIII games, outside the ASC. It is my opinion that TEXAS ASC teams have such a better crop of athletes to choose from than many other parts of the country. I feel Texas football players are better athletes in general. Obviously champions are measured by winning games, i.e. Nat'l Championships / Conference Championships.  

Football players in the midwest have been able to hold their own too. Looking at the last nine stagg bowls...the midwest teams (UWW, MUC and SJU) made up more than a majority of those games. And I'm almost positive that 90% of each team's roster is midwest tallent.

[Gray Fox]

I think he should change his name to "Cru MisInfo." 

[crudbdad]

cru, I don't think that you have seen enough D3 football outside of the ASC.

You don't understand how much talent there is in D3.  

They named only 50 players.  This list is not like so many other lists that have 19 guys as first teamers and another 21 guys on the second team, plus a thrid string and Honorable Mentions.

Hey, and just as a reminder, we named an ASC guy to the team who ran for 109 yards last year. Did anyone else name Quincy Daniels a preseason All-American?

I'm glad I was able to spark so much debate. UMHB nor HSU has won a NAT'L Championship, so I understand how you come to the conclusion that the ASC is the No. 3 conference. Pat, I respect you and your staff's opinion; I still feel Feaster is better than the other two selections. MUST BE CLOSE TO THE SEASON!!!!

Ralph, I have been privileged to travel across the country numerous times to see DIII games, outside the ASC. It is my opinion that TEXAS ASC teams have such a better crop of athletes to choose from than many other parts of the country. I feel Texas football players are better athletes in general. Obviously champions are measured by winning games, i.e. Nat'l Championships / Conference Championships.  

Football players in the midwest have been able to hold their own too. Looking at the last nine stagg bowls...the midwest teams (UWW, MUC and SJU) made up more than a majority of those games. And I'm almost positive that 90% of each team's roster is midwest tallent.
Maybe you can answer a question about talent level. Texas has more high school football players but they also have more options. We have Division 1, 1-AA, Division 2 and Juco for these kids to go to. I remember a UWW fan telling me the last time we were up there that Wisconsin has 1 school(Madison) that offers scholarhips to football players. If that is true then my point is UWW, MUC have players available that might not be playing in D3 in Texas. Not taking anything away from your accomplishments but I feel the talent level is deeper in Texas, just spread out more.

[02 Warhawk]

cru, I don't think that you have seen enough D3 football outside of the ASC.

You don't understand how much talent there is in D3.  

They named only 50 players.  This list is not like so many other lists that have 19 guys as first teamers and another 21 guys on the second team, plus a thrid string and Honorable Mentions.

Hey, and just as a reminder, we named an ASC guy to the team who ran for 109 yards last year. Did anyone else name Quincy Daniels a preseason All-American?

I'm glad I was able to spark so much debate. UMHB nor HSU has won a NAT'L Championship, so I understand how you come to the conclusion that the ASC is the No. 3 conference. Pat, I respect you and your staff's opinion; I still feel Feaster is better than the other two selections. MUST BE CLOSE TO THE SEASON!!!!

Ralph, I have been privileged to travel across the country numerous times to see DIII games, outside the ASC. It is my opinion that TEXAS ASC teams have such a better crop of athletes to choose from than many other parts of the country. I feel Texas football players are better athletes in general. Obviously champions are measured by winning games, i.e. Nat'l Championships / Conference Championships.  

Football players in the midwest have been able to hold their own too. Looking at the last nine stagg bowls...the midwest teams (UWW, MUC and SJU) made up more than a majority of those games. And I'm almost positive that 90% of each team's roster is midwest tallent.
Maybe you can answer a question about talent level. Texas has more high school football players but they also have more options. We have Division 1, 1-AA, Division 2 and Juco for these kids to go to. I remember a UWW fan telling me the last time we were up there that Wisconsin has 1 school(Madison) that offers scholarhips to football players. If that is true then my point is UWW, MUC have players available that might not be playing in D3 in Texas. Not taking anything away from your accomplishments but I feel the talent level is deeper in Texas, just spread out more.

i'll give you that Crudbdad about the WIAC..Madison is the only school in the state that offers full rides for football. That's the main reason why the WIAC is rated the best DIII conference. WIAC monopolizes all the players that want to stay in state and that don't earn a scholarship to Madison.

I would also agree that there's more football talent in TX than WI or Ohio. However,  I don't think it's a coincidence that Texas is also five times larger than the state Wisconsin and six times larger than Ohio.  Hence the ubundance of football programs and talent down there.  

[crudbdad]

I just noticed the 3 times that we have played UWW the D-line and linebackers were a lot faster than what we are used to seeing at any other time of the year. The talent level of that group is better than anything the ASC hs to offer on a consistent basis. Maybe this year South can play East and we wouldn't see UWW(if we get there) until Salem. Tired of playing you in semi-finals

[Ron Boerger]

Maybe you can answer a question about talent level. Texas has more high school football players but they also have more options. We have Division 1, 1-AA, Division 2 and Juco for these kids to go to. I remember a UWW fan telling me the last time we were up there that Wisconsin has 1 school(Madison) that offers scholarhips to football players. If that is true then my point is UWW, MUC have players available that might not be playing in D3 in Texas. Not taking anything away from your accomplishments but I feel the talent level is deeper in Texas, just spread out more.

While the argument may hold true for Wisconsin, there are a number of D1 and I think D2 programs in Ohio beside OSU for prospective athletes to choose from.    MUC has to compete with those.