FB: American Southwest Conference

[Jack Parkman]

Very disappointing to learn of the unsportsmanlike behavior. That is so not what UMHB is about.

The Around The Nation podcast for December 7, 2015, starts with the Linfield UMHB summary. The guest from Linfield essentially says that UMHB had Linfield reeling from the early start and the team speed.

The Unsportsmanlike Penalty in the first quarter was very important in letting Linfield get back in the game.

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/category/around-the-nation/

Just to torture myself a little bit I went back and watched some of the game film, trying to examine some of the bigger moments. The taunting call was clearly huge and looking at it again I have to complain a little bit. Yes Jaedon celebrated by shushing the Linfield crowd but he did it fairly quickly and then turned to the UMHB side of the field. Since it would have been 3rd down, Linfield still could have marched down the field to score their first touchdown but it seems like you see worse celebrations on a weekly basis in college football that are not called.

When most of the big games have been lost, when you are playing by some considerations the best team in the nation who you are 0-3 against, and when you play with class, this sort of thing is not okay. PERIOD. I hope Coach Fred removes him from the starting position and makes him earn his way back.

That is placing a whole lot of history on the shoulders of a sophomore who can't do anything about the past failures of UMHB. Plus I would imagine you are mixing in your feelings of Jaedon from prior games and probably your knowledge that he apparently did something that is unquestionable stupid later in the game (feelings the official doesn't have).

I have no doubts that he will be dealt with in a way that Coach Pete feels is necessary, I am just saying that in that moment I felt like it was an unnecessary call. A call that helped extend a drive that got Linfield on track and I feel like is a situation where the refs talks to the player and says if you do that again I am going to penalize you.

I (respectfully) disagree that it should have been a no-call.  It was one of those "look at me" type of moments and it was done in a place that really couldn't be ignored.  Just my $.02

[umhb2001]

Very disappointing to learn of the unsportsmanlike behavior. That is so not what UMHB is about.

The Around The Nation podcast for December 7, 2015, starts with the Linfield UMHB summary. The guest from Linfield essentially says that UMHB had Linfield reeling from the early start and the team speed.

The Unsportsmanlike Penalty in the first quarter was very important in letting Linfield get back in the game.

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/category/around-the-nation/

Just to torture myself a little bit I went back and watched some of the game film, trying to examine some of the bigger moments. The taunting call was clearly huge and looking at it again I have to complain a little bit. Yes Jaedon celebrated by shushing the Linfield crowd but he did it fairly quickly and then turned to the UMHB side of the field. Since it would have been 3rd down, Linfield still could have marched down the field to score their first touchdown but it seems like you see worse celebrations on a weekly basis in college football that are not called.

When most of the big games have been lost, when you are playing by some considerations the best team in the nation who you are 0-3 against, and when you play with class, this sort of thing is not okay. PERIOD. I hope Coach Fred removes him from the starting position and makes him earn his way back.

That is placing a whole lot of history on the shoulders of a sophomore who can't do anything about the past failures of UMHB. Plus I would imagine you are mixing in your feelings of Jaedon from prior games and probably your knowledge that he apparently did something that is unquestionable stupid later in the game (feelings the official doesn't have).

I have no doubts that he will be dealt with in a way that Coach Pete feels is necessary, I am just saying that in that moment I felt like it was an unnecessary call. A call that helped extend a drive that got Linfield on track and I feel like is a situation where the refs talks to the player and says if you do that again I am going to penalize you.

I wasn't speaking of any other action than the one mentioned. Don't assume. I don't blame him. History? You're questioning the history? Teams pride themselves on history. Players know the history of their team. I assume they had done their research. Even as a freshman he was there for last year's game. He knows they've at least lost one. Taunting shouldn't happen.

[zipmac22]

Very disappointing to learn of the unsportsmanlike behavior. That is so not what UMHB is about.

The Around The Nation podcast for December 7, 2015, starts with the Linfield UMHB summary. The guest from Linfield essentially says that UMHB had Linfield reeling from the early start and the team speed.

The Unsportsmanlike Penalty in the first quarter was very important in letting Linfield get back in the game.

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/category/around-the-nation/

Just to torture myself a little bit I went back and watched some of the game film, trying to examine some of the bigger moments. The taunting call was clearly huge and looking at it again I have to complain a little bit. Yes Jaedon celebrated by shushing the Linfield crowd but he did it fairly quickly and then turned to the UMHB side of the field. Since it would have been 3rd down, Linfield still could have marched down the field to score their first touchdown but it seems like you see worse celebrations on a weekly basis in college football that are not called.

When most of the big games have been lost, when you are playing by some considerations the best team in the nation who you are 0-3 against, and when you play with class, this sort of thing is not okay. PERIOD. I hope Coach Fred removes him from the starting position and makes him earn his way back.

That is placing a whole lot of history on the shoulders of a sophomore who can't do anything about the past failures of UMHB. Plus I would imagine you are mixing in your feelings of Jaedon from prior games and probably your knowledge that he apparently did something that is unquestionable stupid later in the game (feelings the official doesn't have).

I have no doubts that he will be dealt with in a way that Coach Pete feels is necessary, I am just saying that in that moment I felt like it was an unnecessary call. A call that helped extend a drive that got Linfield on track and I feel like is a situation where the refs talks to the player and says if you do that again I am going to penalize you.

When a team is in the playoffs a player should have enough common sense to play heads up without doing or saying anything that will hurt the team. In this case taunting the other team in the view of the ref is a selfish act that ended up making the difference between staying in the game and handing the game over. I think umhb2001 was right in saying that Coach Fred should take him off the starting line-up and let him earn his way back to the starting line-up.

[crufootball]

Very disappointing to learn of the unsportsmanlike behavior. That is so not what UMHB is about.

The Around The Nation podcast for December 7, 2015, starts with the Linfield UMHB summary. The guest from Linfield essentially says that UMHB had Linfield reeling from the early start and the team speed.

The Unsportsmanlike Penalty in the first quarter was very important in letting Linfield get back in the game.

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/category/around-the-nation/

Just to torture myself a little bit I went back and watched some of the game film, trying to examine some of the bigger moments. The taunting call was clearly huge and looking at it again I have to complain a little bit. Yes Jaedon celebrated by shushing the Linfield crowd but he did it fairly quickly and then turned to the UMHB side of the field. Since it would have been 3rd down, Linfield still could have marched down the field to score their first touchdown but it seems like you see worse celebrations on a weekly basis in college football that are not called.

When most of the big games have been lost, when you are playing by some considerations the best team in the nation who you are 0-3 against, and when you play with class, this sort of thing is not okay. PERIOD. I hope Coach Fred removes him from the starting position and makes him earn his way back.

That is placing a whole lot of history on the shoulders of a sophomore who can't do anything about the past failures of UMHB. Plus I would imagine you are mixing in your feelings of Jaedon from prior games and probably your knowledge that he apparently did something that is unquestionable stupid later in the game (feelings the official doesn't have).

I have no doubts that he will be dealt with in a way that Coach Pete feels is necessary, I am just saying that in that moment I felt like it was an unnecessary call. A call that helped extend a drive that got Linfield on track and I feel like is a situation where the refs talks to the player and says if you do that again I am going to penalize you.

I wasn't speaking of any other action than the one mentioned. Don't assume. I don't blame him. History? You're questioning the history? Teams pride themselves on history. Players know the history of their team. I assume they had done their research. Even as a freshman he was there for last year's game. He knows they've at least lost one. Taunting shouldn't happen.

I am not questioning any history, teams have every right to pride themselves on their history. In fact I would say that is why Jaedon was so excited, he clearly plays with a lot of emotion and just made a play when UMHB was up 21 and potentially on their way to finally beating Linfield.

At the end of the day I just don't think it warranted a taunting call.

[umhb2001]

Very disappointing to learn of the unsportsmanlike behavior. That is so not what UMHB is about.

The Around The Nation podcast for December 7, 2015, starts with the Linfield UMHB summary. The guest from Linfield essentially says that UMHB had Linfield reeling from the early start and the team speed.

The Unsportsmanlike Penalty in the first quarter was very important in letting Linfield get back in the game.

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/category/around-the-nation/

Just to torture myself a little bit I went back and watched some of the game film, trying to examine some of the bigger moments. The taunting call was clearly huge and looking at it again I have to complain a little bit. Yes Jaedon celebrated by shushing the Linfield crowd but he did it fairly quickly and then turned to the UMHB side of the field. Since it would have been 3rd down, Linfield still could have marched down the field to score their first touchdown but it seems like you see worse celebrations on a weekly basis in college football that are not called.

When most of the big games have been lost, when you are playing by some considerations the best team in the nation who you are 0-3 against, and when you play with class, this sort of thing is not okay. PERIOD. I hope Coach Fred removes him from the starting position and makes him earn his way back.

That is placing a whole lot of history on the shoulders of a sophomore who can't do anything about the past failures of UMHB. Plus I would imagine you are mixing in your feelings of Jaedon from prior games and probably your knowledge that he apparently did something that is unquestionable stupid later in the game (feelings the official doesn't have).

I have no doubts that he will be dealt with in a way that Coach Pete feels is necessary, I am just saying that in that moment I felt like it was an unnecessary call. A call that helped extend a drive that got Linfield on track and I feel like is a situation where the refs talks to the player and says if you do that again I am going to penalize you.

I wasn't speaking of any other action than the one mentioned. Don't assume. I don't blame him. History? You're questioning the history? Teams pride themselves on history. Players know the history of their team. I assume they had done their research. Even as a freshman he was there for last year's game. He knows they've at least lost one. Taunting shouldn't happen.

I am not questioning any history, teams have every right to pride themselves on their history. In fact I would say that is why Jaedon was so excited, he clearly plays with a lot of emotion and just made a play when UMHB was up 21 and potentially on their way to finally beating Linfield.

At the end of the day I just don't think it warranted a taunting call.

The other night, an NFL WR caught a TD and then leaped to hold on to the goalpost. He was flagged. Afterwards, he was asked about it, and I may be wrong, but I seem to remember him saying something about the timing of the act as if, had it been earlier with the game not in hand, he wouldn't have done it.

I don't condone it at any time, but if Jaedon wants to pull crap like that, do it when the game is in hand and wrapped up, not in the first quarter against a team you've never beaten and they may use it as motivation. MO can turn quickly.

[Ralph Turner]

I don't condone it at any time, but if Jaedon wants to pull crap like that, do it when the game is in hand and wrapped up, not in the first quarter against a team you've never beaten and they may use it as motivation. MO can turn quickly.

Respectfully, then why is Jaedon's performance, including doing something that would hurt the team or leave an unsavory taste in the mouths of the opponent, justifiable?

[crufootball]

Well if the loss to Linfield didn't motivate Teidrick Smith to play even better, the AFCA just provided a little more motivation as the list is out and he is not on it. Represnting the ASC is Jesse Ramos of HSU and Ryan Williams of McMurry, congrats to both.

In other news just saw that Andy Padron, the OC of TLU and son of TLU head coach, is moving on (sounds familiar) to become the Co-OC of Bowling Green. 

[umhb2001]

I don't condone it at any time, but if Jaedon wants to pull crap like that, do it when the game is in hand and wrapped up, not in the first quarter against a team you've never beaten and they may use it as motivation. MO can turn quickly.

Respectfully, then why is Jaedon's performance, including doing something that would hurt the team or leave an unsavory taste in the mouths of the opponent, justifiable?

It isn't justifiable. I wouldn't condone it. I wouldn't do it. I said if he wants to do it, then do it at a time that is less likely to hurt the team in a dramatic fashion.

[umhb2001]

Well if the loss to Linfield didn't motivate Teidrick Smith to play even better, the AFCA just provided a little more motivation as the list is out and he is not on it. Represnting the ASC is Jesse Ramos of HSU and Ryan Williams of McMurry, congrats to both.

In other news just saw that Andy Padron, the OC of TLU and son of TLU head coach, is moving on (sounds familiar) to become the Co-OC of Bowling Green.

Wow, that is a travesty. Not sure why McMurry even has the opportunity for players to be mentioned if they don't even count towards the playoffs. They aren't even really members of the ASC yet.

[Bombers798891]

When most of the big games have been lost, when you are playing by some considerations the best team in the nation who you are 0-3 against, and when you play with class, this sort of thing is not okay. PERIOD. I hope Coach Fred removes him from the starting position and makes him earn his way back.

Just lurking, but wanted to comment on this: If you think the player should be removed from his position and made to earn his starting position back—and that's fine if you do—shouldn't the circumstances  of the game be irrelevant?

I don't mean that you can't use the fallout to drive home the seriousness of it. But ultimately, coaches should punish behavior more than consequences. If taunting isn't what your program is about, then that should be true whether or not it contributes to costing you a crucial game. I mean, as a fan, I totally get why it's more frustrating that the penalty came in the context it did. But, from a coaching perspective, I think the only thing that should matter is that taunting is something you don't want in your program, period.

[umhb2001]

When most of the big games have been lost, when you are playing by some considerations the best team in the nation who you are 0-3 against, and when you play with class, this sort of thing is not okay. PERIOD. I hope Coach Fred removes him from the starting position and makes him earn his way back.

Just lurking, but wanted to comment on this: If you think the player should be removed from his position and made to earn his starting position back—and that's fine if you do—shouldn't the circumstances  of the game be irrelevant?

I don't mean that you can't use the fallout to drive home the seriousness of it. But ultimately, coaches should punish behavior more than consequences. If taunting isn't what your program is about, then that should be true whether or not it contributes to costing you a crucial game. I mean, as a fan, I totally get why it's more frustrating that the penalty came in the context it did. But, from a coaching perspective, I think the only thing that should matter is that taunting is something you don't want in your program, period.

I see, once again, I've picked up negative marks because of what I've said, and again, I don't think my comments are understood.

1. Taunting should not happen.
2. I don't condone taunting.
3. If JAEDON wants to taunt, that is his issue. He should know when to do it and not do it. Do it, IF HE WANTS TO, when it is less likely to affect the team.
4. I think we agree

[HSUDAD]

Well if the loss to Linfield didn't motivate Teidrick Smith to play even better, the AFCA just provided a little more motivation as the list is out and he is not on it. Represnting the ASC is Jesse Ramos of HSU and Ryan Williams of McMurry, congrats to both.

In other news just saw that Andy Padron, the OC of TLU and son of TLU head coach, is moving on (sounds familiar) to become the Co-OC of Bowling Green.

Don't really understand that, it's a shame, Smith should of been named. 

[Bombers798891]

When most of the big games have been lost, when you are playing by some considerations the best team in the nation who you are 0-3 against, and when you play with class, this sort of thing is not okay. PERIOD. I hope Coach Fred removes him from the starting position and makes him earn his way back.

Just lurking, but wanted to comment on this: If you think the player should be removed from his position and made to earn his starting position back—and that's fine if you do—shouldn't the circumstances  of the game be irrelevant?

I don't mean that you can't use the fallout to drive home the seriousness of it. But ultimately, coaches should punish behavior more than consequences. If taunting isn't what your program is about, then that should be true whether or not it contributes to costing you a crucial game. I mean, as a fan, I totally get why it's more frustrating that the penalty came in the context it did. But, from a coaching perspective, I think the only thing that should matter is that taunting is something you don't want in your program, period.

I see, once again, I've picked up negative marks because of what I've said, and again, I don't think my comments are understood.

1. Taunting should not happen.
2. I don't condone taunting.
3. If JAEDON wants to taunt, that is his issue. He should know when to do it and not do it. Do it, IF HE WANTS TO, when it is less likely to affect the team.
4. I think we agree

Well, I didn't karma snipe you, if that's what you mean, nor do I think negatively about what you said. I was simply asking for clarification, essentially on the idea that some posters had that the player should be punished and have to earn his way back to a starting position. All I wanted to know was:

1. Should this punishment happen because the player taunted or

2. Should the punishment happen because the player taunted and the subsequent penalty was a momentum-shifter that may have contributed to a really tough loss in a huge game?

It seems like, from what I've read, the taunt penalty itself wasn't as much the issue but the fallout from it was. And that just strikes me as, well, kind of a curious position. But I certainly haven't negatively marked you

[GillCJ1]

Well, Teidrick Smith may have been passed on elsewhere, but not for the Cliff Harris award.  He was named one of the 60 or so finalists.  More at the link:

http://cruathletics.com/news/2015/12/17/FB_1217154713.aspx

[umhb2001]

When most of the big games have been lost, when you are playing by some considerations the best team in the nation who you are 0-3 against, and when you play with class, this sort of thing is not okay. PERIOD. I hope Coach Fred removes him from the starting position and makes him earn his way back.

Just lurking, but wanted to comment on this: If you think the player should be removed from his position and made to earn his starting position back—and that's fine if you do—shouldn't the circumstances  of the game be irrelevant?

I don't mean that you can't use the fallout to drive home the seriousness of it. But ultimately, coaches should punish behavior more than consequences. If taunting isn't what your program is about, then that should be true whether or not it contributes to costing you a crucial game. I mean, as a fan, I totally get why it's more frustrating that the penalty came in the context it did. But, from a coaching perspective, I think the only thing that should matter is that taunting is something you don't want in your program, period.

I see, once again, I've picked up negative marks because of what I've said, and again, I don't think my comments are understood.

1. Taunting should not happen.
2. I don't condone taunting.
3. If JAEDON wants to taunt, that is his issue. He should know when to do it and not do it. Do it, IF HE WANTS TO, when it is less likely to affect the team.
4. I think we agree

Well, I didn't karma snipe you, if that's what you mean, nor do I think negatively about what you said. I was simply asking for clarification, essentially on the idea that some posters had that the player should be punished and have to earn his way back to a starting position. All I wanted to know was:

1. Should this punishment happen because the player taunted or

2. Should the punishment happen because the player taunted and the subsequent penalty was a momentum-shifter that may have contributed to a really tough loss in a huge game?

It seems like, from what I've read, the taunt penalty itself wasn't as much the issue but the fallout from it was. And that just strikes me as, well, kind of a curious position. But I certainly haven't negatively marked you

1. Yes, the punishment should come as a result of the taunting. There is no place for it.