FB: American Southwest Conference

[ITH radio]

Sure but you need to be able check out and do plays like slants, comebacks, posts.

If I was UMHB I'd want to score fast and aggressively as possible like Mount does, get up 14-0, 21-0 and basically be like "ok, try and comeback from that".

[Toby Taff]

I think it boils down to scheme and the execution of the same. Sure UMHB is putting up points against inferior competition, but can they do it against defenses like Mount, BP and others they'll run into in December?

Ultimately I think if you're going to commit to RPO you need a QB who's comfortable running that system. I don't believe from the games I've seen Jase is as comfortable running that style of offense. Just my two cents.

Why force RPO onto mega talented guys that do everything else better?  But I think you're tugging on the loose sweater thread here and that is when the chips move in to the center of the table, UMHB wants to take the air out of the ball, control the clock, and win with defense.  That's what I saw last year in Salem (and in the couple of rounds prior to Salem).  That was the plan in the 2016 Stagg Bowl.  This team, I think, can afford to be much more aggressive with their offense.  But I'd bet a bottle of Big Red that we see a TON of DeNerian Thomas in the tournament because I think that's the comfort zone for this staff.

Coach was explicit about having given Thomas a shot at Bellhaven and not being happy with the results. Don't know if that means that ship has sailed, but we'll see. I think luke and Jase can run the RPO. Jase isn't as evasive, but he can throw. When he's on, it is impressive. Luke is a little better on his feet, has less strength but for some early season shakiness has been very accurate and seems to have better touch on the ball. I believe Coach when he says what he wants is for the QB to take the lead, and none of them have really done that yet, to his satisfaction. All 3 of these guys could lead the Cru through the play-offs. The Offensive line is better than last years line, IMO, and so I don't think DT playing would be like Robinson. Jase would be fine as a playoff starter and I think Luke would as well. My guess is come playoffs it will be one of those 2 with a good dose of DT led "wildcat"

[ADL70]

UMHB coach's show just aired and coach fred threw hal mumme under the bus as snicely as he could. Basically said Belhaven and McMurry have no D because mumme recruited skill positions and then left the cupboard bare. He also reiterated that he felt like the offensive performance was off and that he was disappointed with some of the qb play.. what is he not disappointed with? Defense, special teams, kicking game improvement, blocking, running game...

"snicely" a mashup of snidely and nicely?

[wally_wabash]

I think it boils down to scheme and the execution of the same. Sure UMHB is putting up points against inferior competition, but can they do it against defenses like Mount, BP and others they'll run into in December?

Ultimately I think if you're going to commit to RPO you need a QB who's comfortable running that system. I don't believe from the games I've seen Jase is as comfortable running that style of offense. Just my two cents.

Why force RPO onto mega talented guys that do everything else better?  But I think you're tugging on the loose sweater thread here and that is when the chips move in to the center of the table, UMHB wants to take the air out of the ball, control the clock, and win with defense.  That's what I saw last year in Salem (and in the couple of rounds prior to Salem).  That was the plan in the 2016 Stagg Bowl.  This team, I think, can afford to be much more aggressive with their offense.  But I'd bet a bottle of Big Red that we see a TON of DeNerian Thomas in the tournament because I think that's the comfort zone for this staff.

Coach was explicit about having given Thomas a shot at Bellhaven and not being happy with the results. Don't know if that means that ship has sailed, but we'll see. I think luke and Jase can run the RPO. Jase isn't as evasive, but he can throw. When he's on, it is impressive. Luke is a little better on his feet, has less strength but for some early season shakiness has been very accurate and seems to have better touch on the ball. I believe Coach when he says what he wants is for the QB to take the lead, and none of them have really done that yet, to his satisfaction. All 3 of these guys could lead the Cru through the play-offs. The Offensive line is better than last years line, IMO, and so I don't think DT playing would be like Robinson. Jase would be fine as a playoff starter and I think Luke would as well. My guess is come playoffs it will be one of those 2 with a good dose of DT led "wildcat"

I have absolutely no idea what this even means.  And whatever it does mean, it looks like nonsense because if everybody is more or less even and nobody is The Guy™, they sure aren't splitting the reps evenly. 

In any case, I'm in total agreement with ITH and Frank that UMHB could be an overwhelming offensive force, not just against the ASC also-rans, but very deep into the tournament, and instead they seem to hedging toward a style that lowers the ceiling in favor of ultraconservatism. 

Look, I'm only on this because I think UMHB could be absolutely incredible and I, very selfishly, want to see that show.  Hammack can throw it like 80 yards and you have 2-3 guys that can't be covered deep.  I want to see the Crusaders let it fly, man. 

[ITH radio]

He can? I don't recall there being any long bombs (other than 1 or 2 vs HSU but there have been others that were underthrown or not accurate) that he's thrown so far this season. We saw Poorman do it to FSUlast year in the quarterfinals. Not sure what tape is out there showing Jase has a cannon, but maybe I'm wrong.

[Frank Rossi]

He can? I don't recall there being any long bombs that he's thrown so far this season. We saw Poorman do it to FSUlast year in the quarterfinals. Not sure what tape is out there showing Jase has a cannon, but maybe I'm wrong.

The game I attended live -- Albright (91-7) -- was a showcase of bubble screens and fast receivers.  I haven't seen many long passes this season.  The yards/attempt for Hammack in the last two games suggest he either isn't throwing deep much or is failing in his attempts (granted, wind may have been a factor this past Saturday).  He may have an arm -- I just don't know about its accuracy and use so far this season from what I've personally watched.

[wally_wabash]

He can? I don't recall there being any long bombs (other than 1 or 2 vs HSU but there have been others that were underthrown or not accurate) that he's thrown so far this season. We saw Poorman do it to FSUlast year in the quarterfinals. Not sure what tape is out there showing Jase has a cannon, but maybe I'm wrong.

He threw one against TLU to Jonel Reed that was lunacy.  Flicked it off his back foot something like 50 yards, right in the bucket.  Not many guys I've seen in D-III that have that kind of arm talent. 

[jamtod]

He can? I don't recall there being any long bombs (other than 1 or 2 vs HSU but there have been others that were underthrown or not accurate) that he's thrown so far this season. We saw Poorman do it to FSUlast year in the quarterfinals. Not sure what tape is out there showing Jase has a cannon, but maybe I'm wrong.

He threw one against TLU to Jonel Reed that was lunacy.  Flicked it off his back foot something like 50 yards, right in the bucket.  Not many guys I've seen in D-III that have that kind of arm talent.

Maybe QB Jock Itch can give us some idea how far he can throw it. I'm guessing he knows.

[SaintsFAN]

I think it boils down to scheme and the execution of the same. Sure UMHB is putting up points against inferior competition, but can they do it against defenses like Mount, BP and others they'll run into in December?

Ultimately I think if you're going to commit to RPO you need a QB who's comfortable running that system. I don't believe from the games I've seen Jase is as comfortable running that style of offense. Just my two cents.

Why force RPO onto mega talented guys that do everything else better?  But I think you're tugging on the loose sweater thread here and that is when the chips move in to the center of the table, UMHB wants to take the air out of the ball, control the clock, and win with defense.  That's what I saw last year in Salem (and in the couple of rounds prior to Salem).  That was the plan in the 2016 Stagg Bowl.  This team, I think, can afford to be much more aggressive with their offense.  But I'd bet a bottle of Big Red that we see a TON of DeNerian Thomas in the tournament because I think that's the comfort zone for this staff.

Coach was explicit about having given Thomas a shot at Bellhaven and not being happy with the results. Don't know if that means that ship has sailed, but we'll see. I think luke and Jase can run the RPO. Jase isn't as evasive, but he can throw. When he's on, it is impressive. Luke is a little better on his feet, has less strength but for some early season shakiness has been very accurate and seems to have better touch on the ball. I believe Coach when he says what he wants is for the QB to take the lead, and none of them have really done that yet, to his satisfaction. All 3 of these guys could lead the Cru through the play-offs. The Offensive line is better than last years line, IMO, and so I don't think DT playing would be like Robinson. Jase would be fine as a playoff starter and I think Luke would as well. My guess is come playoffs it will be one of those 2 with a good dose of DT led "wildcat"

I have absolutely no idea what this even means.  And whatever it does mean, it looks like nonsense because if everybody is more or less even and nobody is The Guy™, they sure aren't splitting the reps evenly. 

In any case, I'm in total agreement with ITH and Frank that UMHB could be an overwhelming offensive force, not just against the ASC also-rans, but very deep into the tournament, and instead they seem to hedging toward a style that lowers the ceiling in favor of ultraconservatism. 

Look, I'm only on this because I think UMHB could be absolutely incredible and I, very selfishly, want to see that show.  Hammack can throw it like 80 yards and you have 2-3 guys that can't be covered deep.  I want to see the Crusaders let it fly, man.

PERSONAL EXPERIENCE:  Its really hard to take the lead when, as a QB, you're not sure where you stand relative to a teammate (or two).  Its really hard to "let the past live in the past" when you know that last throw could get you replaced at some point.  You just want your QB out there reading the defense and reacting as he makes plays.  Then moving onto the next play.

[Toby Taff]

He can? I don't recall there being any long bombs (other than 1 or 2 vs HSU but there have been others that were underthrown or not accurate) that he's thrown so far this season. We saw Poorman do it to FSUlast year in the quarterfinals. Not sure what tape is out there showing Jase has a cannon, but maybe I'm wrong.

He threw one against TLU to Jonel Reed that was lunacy.  Flicked it off his back foot something like 50 yards, right in the bucket.  Not many guys I've seen in D-III that have that kind of arm talent.

Just watched that play. threw it from the UMHb 15 on a 3rd and 12. hit Jonell Reed in Stride at the TLU 35. That throw was into the wind and was 2 plays after TJ Josey dropped basically the same pass to the other side of the field.

SaintsFAN:

PERSONAL EXPERIENCE:  Its really hard to take the lead when, as a QB, you're not sure where you stand relative to a teammate (or two).  Its really hard to "let the past live in the past" when you know that last throw could get you replaced at some point.  You just want your QB out there reading the defense and reacting as he makes plays.  Then moving onto the next play.

Thanks for chiming in with experience. I can totally see what you're saying. By all accounts these guys are friends, and who wants to step on their friend? I am of teh personality type that I will let you do what you do if you're in that position, even if I know I'm better than you at whatever we're doing. I'd respect the pecking order and support  whoever. So it would be difficult for me to do what coach is asking. even harder if friendship is involved.

[SaintsFAN]

Thanks for chiming in with experience. I can totally see what you're saying. By all accounts these guys are friends, and who wants to step on their friend? I am of teh personality type that I will let you do what you do if you're in that position, even if I know I'm better than you at whatever we're doing. I'd respect the pecking order and support  whoever. So it would be difficult for me to do what coach is asking. even harder if friendship is involved.

Its really hard to play QB at a high level, period. 

My situation, the three of us were friendly.. it was strange. 

And truth be told, one guy took the lead because they named him the starter (after my season-ending injury) and he never looked back - the team didn't lose again that year. 

[QB Jock Itch]

He can launch it a good distance and y'all are right can't run out of his shadow but if you go back and look at the film 90% of the time he can get ya 4 to 5 yrds, he's 6'2" 220 not many D3 DBs will hit him backwards. His high school Hudl highlights showed he finished had 64% accuracy with lots of deep balls. The only playoff calibre defense you can gauge off, was the HSU game. Hammack stats were 8 of 10 for 176, rushed for a TD and 1 int, 2 long balls (Sims and Jonell) the one with Jonell was dropped in a bucket and Reed made a great catch. So I don't believe you can go off passing yards because we play on a short field due to the unbelievable special teams.

I believe one the biggest thing is Poorman transferred with all the fan fare from D3 and people seeing him in the playoffs for MU. No one even knew Jase transferred until camp started. Both have been in Belton most of the summer throwing with WRs. Hammack came into camp behind Poorman and was that way until week 1 game prep.

They all sharing reps this week in practice so I guess we will see what comes to the top. Good thing is I honestly don't think you can go wrong with any of them. Go CRU!!!

[SaintsFAN]

can't run out of his shadow

POTW with this line right here. 

[QB Jock Itch]

Poorman and Hammack are friends, they went to church together in the summer. Luke's dad he said that Luke had his wisdom teeth pulled in the summer and Jase took care of him until he could flew into town. Luke has told me that it wasn't a good situation for him with the other QBs at MU but at UMHB they get along even though it's competition.

[QB Jock Itch]

can't run out of his shadow

POTW with this line right here.

Ha Ha Ha Ha true story.