FB: American Southwest Conference

[MRMIKESMITH]

I don't think it matters a lot to HSU's playoff candidacy whether Bethel or St. Thomas wins that game.

Was just curious if it would affect two at large bids coming from the South or two coming from the West?
I am good with two from both and none from the East! 

Really? How so?

[HSUCowboy2015]

I don't think it matters a lot to HSU's playoff candidacy whether Bethel or St. Thomas wins that game.

Was just curious if it would affect two at large bids coming from the South or two coming from the West?
I am good with two from both and none from the East! 

Really? How so?

If anyone gets a pool C bid out of the East it will be Cortland, in my opinion. But they are ranked 5th in their region and their SOS is currently at .4364 (160th) compared to Centre .6154 (15th), Linfield .5946 (31st), HSU .6111 (36th), John Carroll .857 (85th), and UST .4600 (134th). So in my opinion, not only is the East a weaker region than the South and the West, Cortland's SOS doesn't currently match up with some of the others trying to get in. After taking another look those would be my 5 pool C bids: John Carroll, Linfield, St. Thomas, Centre, and Hardin-Simmons.

[jamtod]

I don't think it matters a lot to HSU's playoff candidacy whether Bethel or St. Thomas wins that game.

Was just curious if it would affect two at large bids coming from the South or two coming from the West?
I am good with two from both and none from the East! 

Really? How so?

If anyone gets a pool C bid out of the East it will be Cortland, in my opinion. But they are ranked 5th in their region and their SOS is currently at .4364 (160th) compared to Centre .6154 (15th), Linfield .5946 (31st), HSU .6111 (36th), John Carroll .857 (85th), and UST .4600 (134th). So in my opinion, not only is the East a weaker region than the South and the West, Cortland's SOS doesn't currently match up with some of the others trying to get in. After taking another look those would be my 5 pool C bids: John Carroll, Linfield, St. Thomas, Centre, and Hardin-Simmons.

If Cortland beats Brockport, then they go in as Pool A I think (and Brockport becomes a solid Pool C). If they lose to Brockport, they have 2 losses and it seems pretty questionable. The loser of Salisbury/Frostburg probably has the best shot from the east.

[HSUCowboy2015]

I don't think it matters a lot to HSU's playoff candidacy whether Bethel or St. Thomas wins that game.

Was just curious if it would affect two at large bids coming from the South or two coming from the West?
I am good with two from both and none from the East! 

Really? How so?

If anyone gets a pool C bid out of the East it will be Cortland, in my opinion. But they are ranked 5th in their region and their SOS is currently at .4364 (160th) compared to Centre .6154 (15th), Linfield .5946 (31st), HSU .6111 (36th), John Carroll .857 (85th), and UST .4600 (134th). So in my opinion, not only is the East a weaker region than the South and the West, Cortland's SOS doesn't currently match up with some of the others trying to get in. After taking another look those would be my 5 pool C bids: John Carroll, Linfield, St. Thomas, Centre, and Hardin-Simmons.

If Cortland beats Brockport, then they go in as Pool A I think (and Brockport becomes a solid Pool C). If they lose to Brockport, they have 2 losses and it seems pretty questionable. The loser of Salisbury/Frostburg probably has the best shot from the east.

Ah I missed that, I don't think Salisbury can beat Wesley or Frostburg. So I think they will fall off, again just my opinions. I don't see anyone beating Brockport from that region as well. So I'm sticking with my 5 picks.

[MRMIKESMITH]

I don't think it matters a lot to HSU's playoff candidacy whether Bethel or St. Thomas wins that game.

Was just curious if it would affect two at large bids coming from the South or two coming from the West?
I am good with two from both and none from the East! 

Really? How so?

If anyone gets a pool C bid out of the East it will be Cortland, in my opinion. But they are ranked 5th in their region and their SOS is currently at .4364 (160th) compared to Centre .6154 (15th), Linfield .5946 (31st), HSU .6111 (36th), John Carroll .857 (85th), and UST .4600 (134th). So in my opinion, not only is the East a weaker region than the South and the West, Cortland's SOS doesn't currently match up with some of the others trying to get in. After taking another look those would be my 5 pool C bids: John Carroll, Linfield, St. Thomas, Centre, and Hardin-Simmons.

Thanks for responding with facts, I think the other was based on some 'perception' or reputation. I think Salisbury or Cortland would perform similarly to HSU schedule. IMHO of course.

[MRMIKESMITH]

I don't think it matters a lot to HSU's playoff candidacy whether Bethel or St. Thomas wins that game.

Was just curious if it would affect two at large bids coming from the South or two coming from the West?
I am good with two from both and none from the East! 

Really? How so?

If anyone gets a pool C bid out of the East it will be Cortland, in my opinion. But they are ranked 5th in their region and their SOS is currently at .4364 (160th) compared to Centre .6154 (15th), Linfield .5946 (31st), HSU .6111 (36th), John Carroll .857 (85th), and UST .4600 (134th). So in my opinion, not only is the East a weaker region than the South and the West, Cortland's SOS doesn't currently match up with some of the others trying to get in. After taking another look those would be my 5 pool C bids: John Carroll, Linfield, St. Thomas, Centre, and Hardin-Simmons.

If Cortland beats Brockport, then they go in as Pool A I think (and Brockport becomes a solid Pool C). If they lose to Brockport, they have 2 losses and it seems pretty questionable. The loser of Salisbury/Frostburg probably has the best shot from the east.

What would throw Pool C into a big conundrum is Cortland beating Brockport then Salisbury beating Wesley and then Frostburg, throwing both Brockport and Frostburg into Pool C. Then there would be a possibility of two East At-large.

[jamtod]

I don't think it matters a lot to HSU's playoff candidacy whether Bethel or St. Thomas wins that game.

Was just curious if it would affect two at large bids coming from the South or two coming from the West?
I am good with two from both and none from the East! 

Really? How so?

If anyone gets a pool C bid out of the East it will be Cortland, in my opinion. But they are ranked 5th in their region and their SOS is currently at .4364 (160th) compared to Centre .6154 (15th), Linfield .5946 (31st), HSU .6111 (36th), John Carroll .857 (85th), and UST .4600 (134th). So in my opinion, not only is the East a weaker region than the South and the West, Cortland's SOS doesn't currently match up with some of the others trying to get in. After taking another look those would be my 5 pool C bids: John Carroll, Linfield, St. Thomas, Centre, and Hardin-Simmons.

If Cortland beats Brockport, then they go in as Pool A I think (and Brockport becomes a solid Pool C). If they lose to Brockport, they have 2 losses and it seems pretty questionable. The loser of Salisbury/Frostburg probably has the best shot from the east.

What would throw Pool C into a big conundrum is Cortland beating Brockport then Salisbury beating Wesley and then Frostburg, throwing both Brockport and Frostburg into Pool C. Then there would be a possibility of two East At-large.

Agreed. True chaos. I think Linfield and Centre would likely get bumped (based on the initial assumptions)

[Toby Taff]

Seems like a repeat of 1998 to HSU(a team that was better than the 2001 semi finalist and beat naia national champions that year 30-17 only loss to d2 team that didn't make the playoffs)

I went back and looked at the game results from that year (that was before I started paying attention to D3 sports - mostly because I was an undergrad at a large D1 and hadn't yet enrolled at UMHB for my masters degree).  Wowza, the Cowboys were beating up on most teams.  Including the Cru.

that was UMHb's first year.

[trickytroy32]

It was umhb and etbu first year. They did have automatic in. The main issue I believe was ASC was in second year of existance and hadn't got respect from the committee. It was very political then.

[Pat Coleman]

It was umhb and etbu first year. They did have automatic in. The main issue I believe was ASC was in second year of existance and hadn't got respect from the committee. It was very political then.

UMHB's first year was 1998. ETBU's was 2000. There were no automatic bids in 1998 and the bracket was just 16 teams, so there were just four South Region teams selected. (It was definitely political, but it was very hard to get into the bracket no matter where you were from.)

[edward de vere]

What would throw Pool C into a big conundrum is Cortland beating Brockport then Salisbury beating Wesley and then Frostburg, throwing both Brockport and Frostburg into Pool C. Then there would be a possibility of two East At-large.

Also, pigs could fly.

[DFWCrufan]

What would throw Pool C into a big conundrum is Cortland beating Brockport then Salisbury beating Wesley and then Frostburg, throwing both Brockport and Frostburg into Pool C. Then there would be a possibility of two East At-large.

Also, pigs could fly.

Everything flys, for a while when jumping off a cliff.. it's the sudden stop at the bottom that ruins things..

[GillCJ1]

Right, I'm aware UMHB started ball in '98, so it shouldn't come as a surprise to see them get trounced by a very good regional team.  It's just interesting to go back and see the actual scores.  I'd love to see some film from those days, but sadly there's probably a slim chance of that happening.

One thing that really jumped out to me was Sul Ross State (or Significantly Remote State, as I like to call them  ) being the ASC co-champ in '96 with a 3-1 conference record.  They were 6-4 overall, but still.  Pretty interesting.

[HSUDAD]

I don't think it matters a lot to HSU's playoff candidacy whether Bethel or St. Thomas wins that game.

Was just curious if it would affect two at large bids coming from the South or two coming from the West?
I am good with two from both and none from the East! 

Really? How so?

Sorry about that, I apologize.  As I looked at my post again, it was disrespectful of the East, I have nothing against the East.  Honestly yesterday was a blur and my head was spinning after the rankings came out with the whole Centre/HSU placement.  I only made my comment based on a comment I think Pat made that the East might not get any at-large bid.  I think I was grasping at ways that the Cowboys get in, not really understanding the entire process, which made me rush a post without checking things out. 

[Ralph Turner]

Right, I'm aware UMHB started ball in '98, so it shouldn't come as a surprise to see them get trounced by a very good regional team.  It's just interesting to go back and see the actual scores.  I'd love to see some film from those days, but sadly there's probably a slim chance of that happening.

One thing that really jumped out to me was Sul Ross State (or Significantly Remote State, as I like to call them  ) being the ASC co-champ in '96 with a 3-1 conference record.  They were 6-4 overall, but still.  Pretty interesting.

Whom did they play?  HPU, HSU, McM, AC?