FB: American Southwest Conference

[GillCJ1]

Right, I'm aware UMHB started ball in '98, so it shouldn't come as a surprise to see them get trounced by a very good regional team.  It's just interesting to go back and see the actual scores.  I'd love to see some film from those days, but sadly there's probably a slim chance of that happening.

One thing that really jumped out to me was Sul Ross State (or Significantly Remote State, as I like to call them  ) being the ASC co-champ in '96 with a 3-1 conference record.  They were 6-4 overall, but still.  Pretty interesting.

Whom did they play?  HPU, HSU, McM, AC?

http://www.ascsports.org/documents/2008/8/7/Combined1996.pdf

It's hard to tell for sure, but most likely.  Mississippi College was also there.

[crufootball]

Right, I'm aware UMHB started ball in '98, so it shouldn't come as a surprise to see them get trounced by a very good regional team.  It's just interesting to go back and see the actual scores.  I'd love to see some film from those days, but sadly there's probably a slim chance of that happening.

One thing that really jumped out to me was Sul Ross State (or Significantly Remote State, as I like to call them  ) being the ASC co-champ in '96 with a 3-1 conference record.  They were 6-4 overall, but still.  Pretty interesting.

Whom did they play?  HPU, HSU, McM, AC?

Found there stats from that year, they played HPU, HSU and McMurry 2 times each and then Panhandle St, SWAG, Mississippi College and Austin College.

https://static.ascsports.org/custompages/football/1997/srsu.htm

[GillCJ1]

Right, I'm aware UMHB started ball in '98, so it shouldn't come as a surprise to see them get trounced by a very good regional team.  It's just interesting to go back and see the actual scores.  I'd love to see some film from those days, but sadly there's probably a slim chance of that happening.

One thing that really jumped out to me was Sul Ross State (or Significantly Remote State, as I like to call them  ) being the ASC co-champ in '96 with a 3-1 conference record.  They were 6-4 overall, but still.  Pretty interesting.

Whom did they play?  HPU, HSU, McM, AC?

Found there stats from that year, they played HPU, HSU and McMurry 2 times each and then Panhandle St, SWAG, Mississippi College and Austin College.

https://static.ascsports.org/custompages/football/1997/srsu.htm

One year off.  Do they have one for 1996?

[txtiger1]

Its insane to me that HSU could be 9-1 this season and miss playoffs. I understand the criteria is a certain way and transparent formulas are usually a good way to go, but the #8 team in the nation not getting into the playoffs is crazy. That said, I would bet by the end of the year we see Hardin-Simmons in the tournament.

I love the 32-team playoff format -- and I'm admittedly fuzzy on the history/discussion around it -- but 26 spots for conference champions seems like it points to a lot of deserving teams missing out, while sub-par conference champions go. If HSU misses out I'm sure everyone would agree there are probably not 10 -- much less 32 -- better teams in the nation.

[crufootball]

Right, I'm aware UMHB started ball in '98, so it shouldn't come as a surprise to see them get trounced by a very good regional team.  It's just interesting to go back and see the actual scores.  I'd love to see some film from those days, but sadly there's probably a slim chance of that happening.

One thing that really jumped out to me was Sul Ross State (or Significantly Remote State, as I like to call them  ) being the ASC co-champ in '96 with a 3-1 conference record.  They were 6-4 overall, but still.  Pretty interesting.

Whom did they play?  HPU, HSU, McM, AC?

Found there stats from that year, they played HPU, HSU and McMurry 2 times each and then Panhandle St, SWAG, Mississippi College and Austin College.

https://static.ascsports.org/custompages/football/1997/srsu.htm

One year off.  Do they have one for 1996?

Opps my bad, wierdly doing some google searches has found all their loses which I believe include 2 from McMurry, 1 from Mississippi College and 1 from Midwestern State.

[Ralph Turner]

Mississippi College was ineligible that first season.

The Conference games were AC, HPU, HSU and McM.

[crufootball]

Its insane to me that HSU could be 9-1 this season and miss playoffs. I understand the criteria is a certain way and transparent formulas are usually a good way to go, but the #8 team in the nation not getting into the playoffs is crazy. That said, I would bet by the end of the year we see Hardin-Simmons in the tournament.

I love the 32-team playoff format -- and I'm admittedly fuzzy on the history/discussion around it -- but 26 spots for conference champions seems like it points to a lot of deserving teams missing out, while sub-par conference champions go. If HSU misses out I'm sure everyone would agree there are probably not 10 -- much less 32 -- better teams in the nation.

It is crazy but I bet you are right that by the end of it HSU will probably make the field. Best example I can think of a good team being left out is back in 2015 with UW-Platteville who went 8-2 but was ranked 14th heading into the playoffs. That year they lost to reigning national champs UW-Whitewater 17-7 and then rising UW-Oshkosh 63-28. I am sure there are other examples that others could share but that is one that jumps to my mind. And you are definitely right that with so few at large bids it does mean that some good teams that could easily win a game or two are left out.

[GillCJ1]

Mississippi College was ineligible that first season.

The Conference games were AC, HPU, HSU and McM.

Yep, Ralph is correct.  It even mentions that in the link I provided (which I failed to note, oops!).  Further, it shows MC as having a 0-0 conference record.

[Toby Taff]

Its insane to me that HSU could be 9-1 this season and miss playoffs. I understand the criteria is a certain way and transparent formulas are usually a good way to go, but the #8 team in the nation not getting into the playoffs is crazy. That said, I would bet by the end of the year we see Hardin-Simmons in the tournament.

I love the 32-team playoff format -- and I'm admittedly fuzzy on the history/discussion around it -- but 26 spots for conference champions seems like it points to a lot of deserving teams missing out, while sub-par conference champions go. If HSU misses out I'm sure everyone would agree there are probably not 10 -- much less 32 -- better teams in the nation.

I would agree, but i would rather them sit at home than a team that won their conference not get to go because of some one's opinion. You will never hear me refer to D1 bowl schools as having a national champion. I will call them the BCS champ (or whatever it is now) but not the national champ because their tourney entry is based on opinion. It may have stats the opinions are based on, but at the end of the day, who is deserving is decided by committee not on the field. You win your conference first then you play the tournament. You win, you earned it. Pool C at large bids are based on subjectivity and who you end up behind or with on the board. You make it pool C you have had grace extended to you because you were not capable of winning the AQ.

[txtiger1]

Its insane to me that HSU could be 9-1 this season and miss playoffs. I understand the criteria is a certain way and transparent formulas are usually a good way to go, but the #8 team in the nation not getting into the playoffs is crazy. That said, I would bet by the end of the year we see Hardin-Simmons in the tournament.

I love the 32-team playoff format -- and I'm admittedly fuzzy on the history/discussion around it -- but 26 spots for conference champions seems like it points to a lot of deserving teams missing out, while sub-par conference champions go. If HSU misses out I'm sure everyone would agree there are probably not 10 -- much less 32 -- better teams in the nation.

I would agree, but i would rather them sit at home than a team that won their conference not get to go because of some one's opinion. You will never hear me refer to D1 bowl schools as having a national champion. I will call them the BCS champ (or whatever it is now) but not the national champ because their tourney entry is based on opinion. It may have stats the opinions are based on, but at the end of the day, who is deserving is decided by committee not on the field. You win your conference first then you play the tournament. You win, you earned it. Pool C at large bids are based on subjectivity and who you end up behind or with on the board. You make it pool C you have had grace extended to you because you were not capable of winning the AQ.

Man idk about this logic, do you think Appalachian State deserved to be in the College Football Playoff more than Alabama? One won their conference and another didn't...

[umhb2001]

Its insane to me that HSU could be 9-1 this season and miss playoffs. I understand the criteria is a certain way and transparent formulas are usually a good way to go, but the #8 team in the nation not getting into the playoffs is crazy. That said, I would bet by the end of the year we see Hardin-Simmons in the tournament.

I love the 32-team playoff format -- and I'm admittedly fuzzy on the history/discussion around it -- but 26 spots for conference champions seems like it points to a lot of deserving teams missing out, while sub-par conference champions go. If HSU misses out I'm sure everyone would agree there are probably not 10 -- much less 32 -- better teams in the nation.

As much as we love the poll on the D3 sight, Pat will be the first to explain that their poll has little bearing on what the NCAA decides to do. It's possible that if you had NCAA guys doing the poll, it would look nothing like what D3's looks like. You can see this when they call UMHB Mary Hardin-Simmons.

[Toby Taff]

Its insane to me that HSU could be 9-1 this season and miss playoffs. I understand the criteria is a certain way and transparent formulas are usually a good way to go, but the #8 team in the nation not getting into the playoffs is crazy. That said, I would bet by the end of the year we see Hardin-Simmons in the tournament.

I love the 32-team playoff format -- and I'm admittedly fuzzy on the history/discussion around it -- but 26 spots for conference champions seems like it points to a lot of deserving teams missing out, while sub-par conference champions go. If HSU misses out I'm sure everyone would agree there are probably not 10 -- much less 32 -- better teams in the nation.

I would agree, but i would rather them sit at home than a team that won their conference not get to go because of some one's opinion. You will never hear me refer to D1 bowl schools as having a national champion. I will call them the BCS champ (or whatever it is now) but not the national champ because their tourney entry is based on opinion. It may have stats the opinions are based on, but at the end of the day, who is deserving is decided by committee not on the field. You win your conference first then you play the tournament. You win, you earned it. Pool C at large bids are based on subjectivity and who you end up behind or with on the board. You make it pool C you have had grace extended to you because you were not capable of winning the AQ.

Man idk about this logic, do you think Appalachian State deserved to be in the College Football Playoff more than Alabama? One won their conference and another didn't...

actually, yes. 1) I'm an Auburn fan. 2)The conference winner did what they needed to do. You can't cry foul if you couldn't get the job done, and the job is win your conference not hope somebody decides you are worthy.

[trickytroy32]

Ok my attempt at playoffs as of right now.  What y'all think.
East no flights
8 Merchant Marine(b) at 1 Brockport(a)
6 Western New England (a) at 3 Delaware Valley (a)
7 Husson (a) at 2 RPI (a)
5 Western Connecticut (a) at 4 John Hopkins (a)

North no flights
8 Franklin(a) at  1 Mt. Union (a)
5 Washbash(a) at 4 Trine (a)
7 Eureka (a) at 2 North Central (a)
6 Washington +Jefferson(a) at 3 John Carroll (c)

South two flights
8 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps(a) at 1 UMHB (a) (flight)
5 Hardin Simmons (c) at 4 Centre (c) (flight)
7 Rudolph-Macon (a) at 2 Frostburg St(a)
6 Marysville(a) at 3 Berry(a)

West no flights
8 Dubuque(a) at 1  St. Johns(a)
6 St. Norbert (a) at 4 Bethel(c)
7 MacMurry(a) at 2 UW-Whitewater(a)
5 Linfield(c) at 3 Whitworth(a)
Know it will  not last lol

[HSUCowboy2015]

Ok my attempt at playoffs as of right now.  What y'all think.
East no flights
8 Merchant Marine(b) at 1 Brockport(a)
6 Western New England (a) at 3 Delaware Valley (a)
7 Husson (a) at 2 RPI (a)
5 Western Connecticut (a) at 4 John Hopkins (a)

North no flights
8 Franklin(a) at  1 Mt. Union (a)
5 Washbash(a) at 4 Trine (a)
7 Eureka (a) at 2 North Central (a)
6 Washington +Jefferson(a) at 3 John Carroll (c)

South two flights
8 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps(a) at 1 UMHB (a) (flight)
5 Hardin Simmons (c) at 4 Centre (c) (flight)
7 Rudolph-Macon (a) at 2 Frostburg St(a)
6 Marysville(a) at 3 Berry(a)

West no flights
8 Dubuque(a) at 1  St. Johns(a)
6 St. Norbert (a) at 4 Bethel(c)
7 MacMurry(a) at 2 UW-Whitewater(a)
5 Linfield(c) at 3 Whitworth(a)
Know it will  not last lol

I like the majority of your bracket, but I think St. Thomas takes care of Bethel so they would be ruled out, doesn't really affect the ranking and game matchup though. I also think Maryville and Centre play and HSU would get shipped to Berry. Just my two cents on it. Well done Bracket though.

[jknezek]

Ok my attempt at playoffs as of right now.  What y'all think.
East no flights
8 Merchant Marine(b) at 1 Brockport(a)
6 Western New England (a) at 3 Delaware Valley (a)
7 Husson (a) at 2 RPI (a)
5 Western Connecticut (a) at 4 John Hopkins (a)

North no flights
8 Franklin(a) at  1 Mt. Union (a)
5 Washbash(a) at 4 Trine (a)
7 Eureka (a) at 2 North Central (a)
6 Washington +Jefferson(a) at 3 John Carroll (c)

South two flights
8 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps(a) at 1 UMHB (a) (flight)
5 Hardin Simmons (c) at 4 Centre (c) (flight)
7 Rudolph-Macon (a) at 2 Frostburg St(a)
6 Marysville(a) at 3 Berry(a)

West no flights
8 Dubuque(a) at 1  St. Johns(a)
6 St. Norbert (a) at 4 Bethel(c)
7 MacMurry(a) at 2 UW-Whitewater(a)
5 Linfield(c) at 3 Whitworth(a)
Know it will  not last lol

I like the majority of your bracket, but I think St. Thomas takes care of Bethel so they would be ruled out, doesn't really affect the ranking and game matchup though. I also think Maryville and Centre play and HSU would get shipped to Berry. Just my two cents on it. Well done Bracket though.

Maryville and Centre would be a rematch. The committee will try to avoid that if possible.