FB: American Southwest Conference

[GillCJ1]

Lance Hinson has announced his resignation as Head Coach at McMurry, effective immediately.

I know it's been pretty rough going since their return to D-III.  Any rumblings on who might take his place?

[CowboyAlum261]

Well as much fun as complaining about the bracket is, I'm actually really excited to get to see this rematch (even though I would have liked it better in Round 2).

I definitely think HSU has come a long way since week 5, and that the Cowboys definitely learned a lot about themselves in the first UMHB game. If this game is going to be different, the HSU offense is going to have to show up in a big way. Bryson Hammonds, Kevi Evans, and Rae Millsap have to open things up for Reese Childress, because he was the only receiver who got anything going the first time around. We also have to see Ty Hooper play the game of his life--get the ball out quickly and limit our chances for turnovers.

I think the Cowboys defense will play well, but at best you are hoping to keep UMHB to 28, that means you probably need 5 scores from the offense... That's a tall order, but I think HSU may be up to it! I'm too biased to make a fair score prediction, but I'd love to hear what others think about the matchup.

[wally_wabash]

I think this because it has been stated in multiple posts and podcasts that previous year's results are looked at when seeding teams in the tourney. I think it's logical to think this. It's sorta like the judge says, "Disregard that and strike it from the record" after something has been said. Everyone still remembers and knows about it. It affects the thought process.

Previous year's tournament results applies only to undefeated teams and only for seeding purposes, not selection.  This year's chair has said they didn't really use that provision at all when seeding teams in this bracket. 

HSU is playing at UMHB on Saturday because the NCAA didn't want to sign off on two extra flights to keep them apart for one round.  It really isn't more complicated than that. 

[trickytroy32]

Ok enough bracket hating for me. The playoffs are here. Excited to see HSU vs UMHB. Hope HSU pulls the upset, but mhb is the better team. Heard UMHB is banged up. Hope nothing to serious. I want both at there best so no excuses for either.  Winner of this game I have a feeling will be in the stagg.

[Ralph Turner]

I think this because it has been stated in multiple posts and podcasts that previous year's results are looked at when seeding teams in the tourney. I think it's logical to think this. It's sorta like the judge says, "Disregard that and strike it from the record" after something has been said. Everyone still remembers and knows about it. It affects the thought process.

Previous year's tournament results applies only to undefeated teams and only for seeding purposes, not selection.  This year's chair has said they didn't really use that provision at all when seeding teams in this bracket. 

HSU is playing at UMHB on Saturday because the NCAA didn't want to sign off on two extra flights to keep them apart for one round.  It really isn't more complicated than that.

Respectfully Wally,
HSU to Whitworth 1 flight
CMS to UMHB 1 flight

HSU/Whitworth back to UMHB... Maybe 60 / 40 chance of a flight.

2.6 flights


HSU to UMHB 0 flights
CMS to Whitworth 1 flight

Berry/Maryville to UMHB/HSU 2nd round 1 flight
CMS / Whitworth  to opponent 2nd round 1 flight.

3 flights, guaranteed

The 1st round bean counter argument fails.

[umhb2001]

I think this because it has been stated in multiple posts and podcasts that previous year's results are looked at when seeding teams in the tourney. I think it's logical to think this. It's sorta like the judge says, "Disregard that and strike it from the record" after something has been said. Everyone still remembers and knows about it. It affects the thought process.

Previous year's tournament results applies only to undefeated teams and only for seeding purposes, not selection.  This year's chair has said they didn't really use that provision at all when seeding teams in this bracket. 

HSU is playing at UMHB on Saturday because the NCAA didn't want to sign off on two extra flights to keep them apart for one round.  It really isn't more complicated than that.

Respectfully Wally,
HSU to Whitworth 1 flight
CMS to UMHB 1 flight

HSU/Whitworth back to UMHB... Maybe 60 / 40 chance of a flight.

2.6 flights


HSU to UMHB 0 flights
CMS to Whitworth 1 flight

Berry/Maryville to UMHB/HSU 2nd round 1 flight
CMS / Whitworth  to opponent 2nd round 1 flight.

3 flights, guaranteed

The 1st round bean counter argument fails.

This is so right.

[Ralph Turner]

For me, the real problem with UMHB's first round draw is the attrition of the 5 game road to the Stagg Bowl. 

Right now, let's guess the margin of victory for UMU, UWW and Brockport in the first round.

How hard will their starters have to work in the first round games?

How many reps will the 2nd string players get of Playoff ball in those first 2 games boosting their confidence and getting them ready to step up later in the playoffs when they may be called upon?  (After all, playoff rosters are limited.)

UMHB, as the #1 seed in the bracket will not get that luxury.

[wally_wabash]

I think this because it has been stated in multiple posts and podcasts that previous year's results are looked at when seeding teams in the tourney. I think it's logical to think this. It's sorta like the judge says, "Disregard that and strike it from the record" after something has been said. Everyone still remembers and knows about it. It affects the thought process.

Previous year's tournament results applies only to undefeated teams and only for seeding purposes, not selection.  This year's chair has said they didn't really use that provision at all when seeding teams in this bracket. 

HSU is playing at UMHB on Saturday because the NCAA didn't want to sign off on two extra flights to keep them apart for one round.  It really isn't more complicated than that.

Respectfully Wally,
HSU to Whitworth 1 flight
CMS to UMHB 1 flight

HSU/Whitworth back to UMHB... Maybe 60 / 40 chance of a flight.

2.6 flights


HSU to UMHB 0 flights
CMS to Whitworth 1 flight

Berry/Maryville to UMHB/HSU 2nd round 1 flight
CMS / Whitworth  to opponent 2nd round 1 flight.

3 flights, guaranteed

The 1st round bean counter argument fails.

This is so right.

Well, it's not actually.  There's another half to this region that needs to be considered. 

UMHB/HSU - 0 flights
Berry/Maryville - 0 flights
this pod will have a flight in round 2, so we've got 1 flight now.  on the other side:

SJU/MLC - 0 flight
Whitworth/CMS - 1 flight (2 total)
this pod will have a flight in the 2nd round (3 total)

Now whoever wins these pods will have to fly for the regional final - 4 total flights, all guaranteed through the region. 

So let's do it if we make the UMHB/CMS vs. HSU/Whitworth pod:
UMHB/CMS - 1
HSU/Whitworth - 1
2nd round gets this pod a flight if Whitworth advances, no flight if HSU advances.  So we have 2 guaranteed flights, maybe a third.  Other half:
SJU/MLC - 0
Berry/Maryville - 0
the 2nd round here is promised a flight (3) and whoever advances from here will be a flight away from whoever advances from the top, so we get a guaranteed flight for the regional final (4).  Still the four guaranteed flights, plus a toss up in Spokane to see if we get a fifth.  They chose not to gamble on that fifth flight in this region. 

[DFWCrufan]

It's life on the Big T island...Cru just has to get it done each game at a time...It'd be nice to see CMS or Whitworth, but hey, if it has to happen this way then so be it. Adjust, adapt, overcome...

[WRMUalum13]

I think this because it has been stated in multiple posts and podcasts that previous year's results are looked at when seeding teams in the tourney. I think it's logical to think this. It's sorta like the judge says, "Disregard that and strike it from the record" after something has been said. Everyone still remembers and knows about it. It affects the thought process.

Previous year's tournament results applies only to undefeated teams and only for seeding purposes, not selection.  This year's chair has said they didn't really use that provision at all when seeding teams in this bracket. 

HSU is playing at UMHB on Saturday because the NCAA didn't want to sign off on two extra flights to keep them apart for one round.  It really isn't more complicated than that.

Respectfully Wally,
HSU to Whitworth 1 flight
CMS to UMHB 1 flight

HSU/Whitworth back to UMHB... Maybe 60 / 40 chance of a flight.

2.6 flights


HSU to UMHB 0 flights
CMS to Whitworth 1 flight

Berry/Maryville to UMHB/HSU 2nd round 1 flight
CMS / Whitworth  to opponent 2nd round 1 flight.

3 flights, guaranteed

The 1st round bean counter argument fails.

This is so right.

Per today's podcast the committee is only tasked with reducing flights in round 1. I don't believe they are allowed to take the second round in to consideration, even though they might reduce flights overall

[Frank Rossi]

Guaranteed future round flights affect the budget.  As I said on the podcast, the general principle has been to dump the outliers (and flights) into one quarter-bracket (last year's upper-right) and not guarantee flights elsewhere.  Some might happen, but not without major fallout usually.  I think that's what is being delivered when they discuss Rounds 2 & 3 flight issues.

[WRMUalum13]

Guaranteed future round flights affect the budget.  As I said on the podcast, the general principle has been to dump the outliers (and flights) into one quarter-bracket (last year's upper-right) and not guarantee flights elsewhere.  Some might happen, but not without major fallout usually.  I think that's what is being delivered when they discuss Rounds 2 & 3 flight issues.

Thanks for the clarification!

[D O.C.]

Just think what a 5.00% budget would do for us.....oh, and girl sports too, of course.

[edward de vere]

Edward,  I've seen John Carroll play twice this year. Mt. Union and Ben Wallace. They are a good team. However, HSU is a tab better(not just us thinking but check the polls). Who has John Carroll beaten?

I haven't said a damn word about HSU vs. John Carroll. 

[edward de vere]

[quote author=UMHB03 link=topic=3803.msg1900909#msg1900909 date=154198170

I'm not concerned with the history, I'm concerned with the quality of the teams. Nothing that I've seen, either by watching the teams, or looking at the scores, would suggest that either team is noticeably better than the other. And none of that is even relevant since MU is not playing them in the FIRTS ROUND. MU gets their annual pair of cupcakes before they face any real competition, while UMHB has been saddled with a murderers row right out or the gate by the unscrupulous NCAA.


[/quote]

I haven't said a damn word about HSU vs. John Carroll.

YOU started out by saying that UMHB's game against HSU in the playoffs would be tougher than Mount's game vs. JCU.  I responded that based on recent history your argument appears to be fallacious.

Then YOU went insane.