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[jamtod]

Lol!

https://twitter.com/FrankRossi/status/1188439629315411970?s=19

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I would think the offer should be valid for up to 18 months, no?

[DFWCrufan]

Lol!

https://twitter.com/FrankRossi/status/1188439629315411970?s=19

Dear Frank,

Thank you for your staunch defense of the Crusaders after their close win!  Your support is greatly appreciated!  As a result of the generosity of an anonymous donor, we would like to extend an offer for a complimentary CrUber if you are ever in need of a lift in Belton.  Just use coupon code "Crubaru" at checkout.  Offer may be redeemed for a period of one year, but must be claimed in the next 24 hours and 1 second.  Hurry before time expires!

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1 second that ends another season. Oh well Maybe... just maybe 2020 will be better. Probably not, TLU will probably fill that spot so being #3 isn't going to be that bad in 2020. Speaking of shirts In the mean time we have shirts available at 1-800-hsu-lost. They are produced in wetness wicking material to soak up the tears and available in all sizes. Emblazoned across the chest is "2019 Season maybe we'll win some year" and comes with a certificate emblazoned with "That feeling when you have more "vacated" titles than  the HSU Cowboys has in actual titles...

[Weak Safety]

Lol!

https://twitter.com/FrankRossi/status/1188439629315411970?s=19

Dear Frank,

Thank you for your staunch defense of the Crusaders after their close win!  Your support is greatly appreciated!  As a result of the generosity of an anonymous donor, we would like to extend an offer for a complimentary CrUber if you are ever in need of a lift in Belton.  Just use coupon code "Crubaru" at checkout.  Offer may be redeemed for a period of one year, but must be claimed in the next 24 hours and 1 second.  Hurry before time expires!

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Cen-Tex CrUber Customer Service
1(555)12T-HMAN

I would think the offer should be valid for up to 18 months, no?

LOL, good catch!  Wait....was that a catch? 

[D3 Junkie 27]

Curious if anyone has thoughts on this snippet from the NCAA rule book. Seems to describe the exact situation that happened yesterday.

[Pat Coleman]

The reasonable opportunity was when the umpire stood over the ball until 0:04. If HSU waited until then to send two guys on, I don't think that's on anyone but HSU.

[D3 Junkie 27]

Fair point. It's hard to tell from the clips that are out there. Not sure if it's available but I would love to see video of the entire series of events between the catch on 3rd down all the way to the kick.

[D3 Junkie 27]

Also from the rule book:

"If the ball is ready for play, the game officials will not permit the ball to be snapped until Team B has placed substitutes in position and replaced players have left the field of play."

[Pat Coleman]

At the 0:12 mark, when the video clip starts, UMHB had already started sending its players on. Thhey were already inside the numbers and most of them inside the hash marks. The umpire is walking up to stand over the ball. From the PDF you already cited, with the example that deals specifically with FG attempts at the end of the half:

"The umpire moves to the ball tp prevent the snap until Team B has had a reasonable opportunity to gets its field-goal defense unit onto the field. The umpire will step away when he judges that the defense has had enough time."

[D3 Junkie 27]

https://mobile.twitter.com/UMHB/status/1188237617462218752

The last UMHB player steps off the field around 0:05. At almost the same exact time, HSU sends its players onto the field. The ref seems to be looking toward the Cru sideline and steps away from the ball right after all UMHB players have left the field.

Are you genuinely saying that it's "reasonable" to expect that the defense should be able to have all of their players off the field in the exact same amount of time as the offense even though the defense is the team that is reacting? Absolutely not.

I'm impartial to either team but it's fairly obvious that the ref should have stood over the ball until HSU has gotten their players onto the field and lined up. At which point the clock likely would have hit 0:00 and the game would have ended.

[Ralph Turner]

At the 0:12 mark, when the video clip starts, UMHB had already started sending its players on. Thhey were already inside the numbers and most of them inside the hash marks. The umpire is walking up to stand over the ball. From the PDF you already cited, with the example that deals specifically with FG attempts at the end of the half:

"The umpire moves to the ball tp prevent the snap until Team B has had a reasonable opportunity to gets its field-goal defense unit onto the field. The umpire will step away when he judges that the defense has had enough time."

The counter argument is that the official did not want to be the reason the clock ran out because he stood over the ball too long in that situation. Everyone at the game knew that a last second FG was going to happen.

[D3 Junkie 27]

Right. And I think that's the disappointing part for HSU fans. It should never come down to if the ref "wants" to decide the game. It should be whether or not he's obligated to based on the rules.

It's easy to sit back after the fact with frame by frame replay and criticize every second of the game, and admittedly that's a tough task for anyone in real time. It seems like the HSU coaches were aware of the rule and were trying to take advantage of the substitution rule so I'm sure it was extremely frustrating when it wasn't enforced.

[crufootball]

Right. And I think that's the disappointing part for HSU fans. It should never come down to if the ref "wants" to decide the game. It should be whether or not he's obligated to based on the rules.

It's easy to sit back after the fact with frame by frame replay and criticize every second of the game, and admittedly that's a tough task for anyone in real time. It seems like the HSU coaches were aware of the rule and were trying to take advantage of the substitution rule so I'm sure it was extremely frustrating when it wasn't enforced.

If that is true, that the HSU coaches knew the situation and were trying to game the situation by delaying putting their players on the field than this is on them. Just imagine if a DB lost a team a game because he was trying to bait a QB into throwing an interception at the end of a game, I don't think the coaches are going to be cool with that.

The situation was chaos, lots of moving parts, but in the end a team lined up and kicked a ball through the up rights. I can completely understand HSU not being happy but in this situations we all know that refs are not looking to be the reason a team won or lost a game, they did stand over the ball for a length of time, UMHB got set and then kicked the ball.

[Ron Boerger]

And if HSU gets a 35-yard punt instead of one of 18, we probably never need to have this conversation.

[D3 Junkie 27]

Absolutely. The horrific punt cost them the game.
And the ability to get the FG team on the field and make a rushed kick was extremely impressive and I don't want to take away from that. It's just always disappointing when a great game ends with controversy.
But I completely disagree that using the rules to your advantage is a bad thing. That's the name of the game. That's like saying running the play clock down to 1 to burn the clock earlier in the game  was "gaming the system." Completely illogical argument.

[Hawks88]

https://mobile.twitter.com/UMHB/status/1188237617462218752

This looks to me like as UMHB is getting set the umpire starts backing away and THEN the two HSU players come running in from the sideline. Seems to me that HSU had plenty of time to get their guys in.