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umhb2001

Redlands with lots of penalties. Could be a thorn for them.
Watch out for the wreckingCRU defense!!

crufootball

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I know coach Fred is not going anywhere unt ikl he calls it quits but if he ever decides to hang it up, which coach should the Cru go after? 2 that come to mind that came from the Texas coaching ranks would be coach Bell who is at Baylor right now or coach Dodge who is at Westlake right now. Both are very offensive minded and would take UMHB to the next level offensively. Most believe Harmon would be promoted but I believe he should keep that defense rolling as DC. What say you?

Would probably be a pay cut for either of them, so you would have to have someone motivated to lead a prominent small school program in exchange for earning less.  Dodge was not successful as a college coach, but he was at UNT where he didn't have the embarrassing wealth of resources he's had both stops of his high school career (Southlake Carroll and Westlake are both *very* affluent schools with a boatload of fundraising).   According to USA Today Dodge was making $150K at the end of 2018, and I imagine Bell makes at least that.

Why shouldn't Coach Harmon get a shot?  He has been there since the beginning and has been the number one assistant for many years.  It seems to me that someone with the knowledge of stopping high powered offenses might know something about running one. He has been part of making the Cru what they are today and would likely be able to continue their success, In my book, loyalty should go a long way and until he proves he cannot maintain that current status, he remains my number one choice!
Then he needs to look into a young offensive minded OC with some ideas to utilize our team speed and athletes. We have some talent right here in Central Texas that would be great. And some talented athletes also.

Obviously a lot could potentially change when Coach Pete decides to hang up his whistle for the last time so who knows where Coach Lee could be in that situation.

However I sometimes feel the need to point out that Coach Lee is currently 54-1 as our OC and in that time we have put up some of the best offensive numbers in the country. Do we sometimes get conservative and lean heavily on our defense, absolutely, but who is to say that message isn't coming from the top? And in this hypothetical situation where Coach Harmon takes over, he doesn't strike me as the type that will change that thought process.

RFB

Quote from: umhb2001 on November 19, 2019, 10:06:08 PM
Watching the Redlands at Chapman game. It is still available on the Chapman website.

Redlands's defense looks pretty physical. They have some heady players and some good size.

The QB for The Bulldogs looks like a high school player. He could get hurt Saturday. They've done nothing against the Chapman D in the first half. I'm thinking 42-14 in favor of The Cru.

Did you watch the second half? Chapman dominated the first, and Redlands owned the second. Nathan Martinez (QB) is not big, but the kid is tough as nails and is a gamer. He has a very good arm and is very fast. I wouldn't sleep on him at all.

RFB

Quote from: umhb2001 on November 19, 2019, 10:10:43 PM
Redlands with lots of penalties. Could be a thorn for them.

Let me introduce you to SCIAC officiating  ::)

umhb2001

Quote from: RFB on November 20, 2019, 10:01:53 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 19, 2019, 10:06:08 PM
Watching the Redlands at Chapman game. It is still available on the Chapman website.

Redlands's defense looks pretty physical. They have some heady players and some good size.

The QB for The Bulldogs looks like a high school player. He could get hurt Saturday. They've done nothing against the Chapman D in the first half. I'm thinking 42-14 in favor of The Cru.

Did you watch the second half? Chapman dominated the first, and Redlands owned the second. Nathan Martinez (QB) is not big, but the kid is tough as nails and is a gamer. He has a very good arm and is very fast. I wouldn't sleep on him at all.

Could only watch 1st half. Looking forward to watching the second.
Watch out for the wreckingCRU defense!!

SW66

Quote from: crufootball on November 20, 2019, 09:12:12 AM
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I know coach Fred is not going anywhere unt ikl he calls it quits but if he ever decides to hang it up, which coach should the Cru go after? 2 that come to mind that came from the Texas coaching ranks would be coach Bell who is at Baylor right now or coach Dodge who is at Westlake right now. Both are very offensive minded and would take UMHB to the next level offensively. Most believe Harmon would be promoted but I believe he should keep that defense rolling as DC. What say you?

Would probably be a pay cut for either of them, so you would have to have someone motivated to lead a prominent small school program in exchange for earning less.  Dodge was not successful as a college coach, but he was at UNT where he didn't have the embarrassing wealth of resources he's had both stops of his high school career (Southlake Carroll and Westlake are both *very* affluent schools with a boatload of fundraising).   According to USA Today Dodge was making $150K at the end of 2018, and I imagine Bell makes at least that.

Why shouldn't Coach Harmon get a shot?  He has been there since the beginning and has been the number one assistant for many years.  It seems to me that someone with the knowledge of stopping high powered offenses might know something about running one. He has been part of making the Cru what they are today and would likely be able to continue their success, In my book, loyalty should go a long way and until he proves he cannot maintain that current status, he remains my number one choice!
Then he needs to look into a young offensive minded OC with some ideas to utilize our team speed and athletes. We have some talent right here in Central Texas that would be great. And some talented athletes also.

Obviously a lot could potentially change when Coach Pete decides to hang up his whistle for the last time so who knows where Coach Lee could be in that situation.

However I sometimes feel the need to point out that Coach Lee is currently 54-1 as our OC and in that time we have put up some of the best offensive numbers in the country. Do we sometimes get conservative and lean heavily on our defense, absolutely, but who is to say that message isn't coming from the top? And in this hypothetical situation where Coach Harmon takes over, he doesn't strike me as the type that will change that thought process.
This has been pointed out so many times already. I know the record because I was there for every home game and many road games in this time period and even before Coach Lee. I have the utmost respect for any coach willing to spend his life growing our youth into outstanding young men. It is probably coming from above but that is why I said when Coach Fred leaves the program. Sure we are all spoiled with the results of the years we are winning but just because we keep beating up on the same teams in a weak conference we use those as the norm when in reality when we face really tough teams we go to what has always won us games and that is our defense and our athletes. We have great results but with a scheme that is geared towards the speed and athletes we have at UMHB with an offense that spreads the field and makes other teams defend everything then who knows what our record could be. We let a lot of teams stay in games because we go into a defensive shell and that is a fact. With a offense on par with our defense we could be talking about a dynasty for a long time to come. I know there are some kids right here in the Temple / Belton area alone that have speed and athleticism to burn. Just my 2 cents

Etchglow

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I know coach Fred is not going anywhere unt ikl he calls it quits but if he ever decides to hang it up, which coach should the Cru go after? 2 that come to mind that came from the Texas coaching ranks would be coach Bell who is at Baylor right now or coach Dodge who is at Westlake right now. Both are very offensive minded and would take UMHB to the next level offensively. Most believe Harmon would be promoted but I believe he should keep that defense rolling as DC. What say you?

Would probably be a pay cut for either of them, so you would have to have someone motivated to lead a prominent small school program in exchange for earning less.  Dodge was not successful as a college coach, but he was at UNT where he didn't have the embarrassing wealth of resources he's had both stops of his high school career (Southlake Carroll and Westlake are both *very* affluent schools with a boatload of fundraising).   According to USA Today Dodge was making $150K at the end of 2018, and I imagine Bell makes at least that.

Why shouldn't Coach Harmon get a shot?  He has been there since the beginning and has been the number one assistant for many years.  It seems to me that someone with the knowledge of stopping high powered offenses might know something about running one. He has been part of making the Cru what they are today and would likely be able to continue their success, In my book, loyalty should go a long way and until he proves he cannot maintain that current status, he remains my number one choice!
Then he needs to look into a young offensive minded OC with some ideas to utilize our team speed and athletes. We have some talent right here in Central Texas that would be great. And some talented athletes also.

Obviously a lot could potentially change when Coach Pete decides to hang up his whistle for the last time so who knows where Coach Lee could be in that situation.

However I sometimes feel the need to point out that Coach Lee is currently 54-1 as our OC and in that time we have put up some of the best offensive numbers in the country. Do we sometimes get conservative and lean heavily on our defense, absolutely, but who is to say that message isn't coming from the top? And in this hypothetical situation where Coach Harmon takes over, he doesn't strike me as the type that will change that thought process.
This has been pointed out so many times already. I know the record because I was there for every home game and many road games in this time period and even before Coach Lee. I have the utmost respect for any coach willing to spend his life growing our youth into outstanding young men. It is probably coming from above but that is why I said when Coach Fred leaves the program. Sure we are all spoiled with the results of the years we are winning but just because we keep beating up on the same teams in a weak conference we use those as the norm when in reality when we face really tough teams we go to what has always won us games and that is our defense and our athletes. We have great results but with a scheme that is geared towards the speed and athletes we have at UMHB with an offense that spreads the field and makes other teams defend everything then who knows what our record could be. We let a lot of teams stay in games because we go into a defensive shell and that is a fact. With a offense on par with our defense we could be talking about a dynasty for a long time to come. I know there are some kids right here in the Temple / Belton area alone that have speed and athleticism to burn. Just my 2 cents

So, I was bored and looked on the NCAA website for stats.  Then I seem to have flooded their system with requests and broke it.  Oops...

For some reason their division leaders only goes back to the 2013 season.  But, since then UMHB been ranked 5, 2, 3, 3, 43, 1 and 3 in scoring offense.  That seems pretty dang good to me (Minus that season that we couldn't decide between Kyle Jones, T.J. Josey and Carl Robinson III).  Over that time period UMHB has scored 48.1 points per game and has an 89-5 record.  The only team that I've found that scores more than that is Mount Union at 51.14 and an 94-5 record and UMHB has beat them twice in that period.  Honestly, I'll take that record. 

SW66

Quote from: Etchglow on November 20, 2019, 05:28:53 PM
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Quote from: roocru on November 19, 2019, 06:21:57 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 19, 2019, 12:25:09 PM
Quote from: SW66 on November 19, 2019, 10:26:07 AM
I know coach Fred is not going anywhere unt ikl he calls it quits but if he ever decides to hang it up, which coach should the Cru go after? 2 that come to mind that came from the Texas coaching ranks would be coach Bell who is at Baylor right now or coach Dodge who is at Westlake right now. Both are very offensive minded and would take UMHB to the next level offensively. Most believe Harmon would be promoted but I believe he should keep that defense rolling as DC. What say you?

Would probably be a pay cut for either of them, so you would have to have someone motivated to lead a prominent small school program in exchange for earning less.  Dodge was not successful as a college coach, but he was at UNT where he didn't have the embarrassing wealth of resources he's had both stops of his high school career (Southlake Carroll and Westlake are both *very* affluent schools with a boatload of fundraising).   According to USA Today Dodge was making $150K at the end of 2018, and I imagine Bell makes at least that.

Why shouldn't Coach Harmon get a shot?  He has been there since the beginning and has been the number one assistant for many years.  It seems to me that someone with the knowledge of stopping high powered offenses might know something about running one. He has been part of making the Cru what they are today and would likely be able to continue their success, In my book, loyalty should go a long way and until he proves he cannot maintain that current status, he remains my number one choice!
Then he needs to look into a young offensive minded OC with some ideas to utilize our team speed and athletes. We have some talent right here in Central Texas that would be great. And some talented athletes also.

Obviously a lot could potentially change when Coach Pete decides to hang up his whistle for the last time so who knows where Coach Lee could be in that situation.

However I sometimes feel the need to point out that Coach Lee is currently 54-1 as our OC and in that time we have put up some of the best offensive numbers in the country. Do we sometimes get conservative and lean heavily on our defense, absolutely, but who is to say that message isn't coming from the top? And in this hypothetical situation where Coach Harmon takes over, he doesn't strike me as the type that will change that thought process.
This has been pointed out so many times already. I know the record because I was there for every home game and many road games in this time period and even before Coach Lee. I have the utmost respect for any coach willing to spend his life growing our youth into outstanding young men. It is probably coming from above but that is why I said when Coach Fred leaves the program. Sure we are all spoiled with the results of the years we are winning but just because we keep beating up on the same teams in a weak conference we use those as the norm when in reality when we face really tough teams we go to what has always won us games and that is our defense and our athletes. We have great results but with a scheme that is geared towards the speed and athletes we have at UMHB with an offense that spreads the field and makes other teams defend everything then who knows what our record could be. We let a lot of teams stay in games because we go into a defensive shell and that is a fact. With a offense on par with our defense we could be talking about a dynasty for a long time to come. I know there are some kids right here in the Temple / Belton area alone that have speed and athleticism to burn. Just my 2 cents

So, I was bored and looked on the NCAA website for stats.  Then I seem to have flooded their system with requests and broke it.  Oops...

For some reason their division leaders only goes back to the 2013 season.  But, since then UMHB been ranked 5, 2, 3, 3, 43, 1 and 3 in scoring offense.  That seems pretty dang good to me (Minus that season that we couldn't decide between Kyle Jones, T.J. Josey and Carl Robinson III).  Over that time period UMHB has scored 48.1 points per game and has an 89-5 record.  The only team that I've found that scores more than that is Mount Union at 51.14 and an 94-5 record and UMHB has beat them twice in that period.  Honestly, I'll take that record.
Ok I get the point. We are satisfied with the results. Maybe we could go back and find stats on how many points our defense scored each game along with how many points our PR and KR took back to the house for 6 in those games. Or the short field we worked with because the defense stonewalled the other team. If you ask anyone about the Cru it is always brought up about their defense and all I am really saying is it would be really great to have an offense as good as our defense. Scoring stats are not always indicative of how the game went. Ask HSU about those defensive points that TLU got.

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Quote from: SW66 on November 19, 2019, 10:26:07 AM
I know coach Fred is not going anywhere unt ikl he calls it quits but if he ever decides to hang it up, which coach should the Cru go after? 2 that come to mind that came from the Texas coaching ranks would be coach Bell who is at Baylor right now or coach Dodge who is at Westlake right now. Both are very offensive minded and would take UMHB to the next level offensively. Most believe Harmon would be promoted but I believe he should keep that defense rolling as DC. What say you?

Would probably be a pay cut for either of them, so you would have to have someone motivated to lead a prominent small school program in exchange for earning less.  Dodge was not successful as a college coach, but he was at UNT where he didn't have the embarrassing wealth of resources he's had both stops of his high school career (Southlake Carroll and Westlake are both *very* affluent schools with a boatload of fundraising).   According to USA Today Dodge was making $150K at the end of 2018, and I imagine Bell makes at least that.

Why shouldn't Coach Harmon get a shot?  He has been there since the beginning and has been the number one assistant for many years.  It seems to me that someone with the knowledge of stopping high powered offenses might know something about running one. He has been part of making the Cru what they are today and would likely be able to continue their success, In my book, loyalty should go a long way and until he proves he cannot maintain that current status, he remains my number one choice!
Then he needs to look into a young offensive minded OC with some ideas to utilize our team speed and athletes. We have some talent right here in Central Texas that would be great. And some talented athletes also.

Obviously a lot could potentially change when Coach Pete decides to hang up his whistle for the last time so who knows where Coach Lee could be in that situation.

However I sometimes feel the need to point out that Coach Lee is currently 54-1 as our OC and in that time we have put up some of the best offensive numbers in the country. Do we sometimes get conservative and lean heavily on our defense, absolutely, but who is to say that message isn't coming from the top? And in this hypothetical situation where Coach Harmon takes over, he doesn't strike me as the type that will change that thought process.
This has been pointed out so many times already. I know the record because I was there for every home game and many road games in this time period and even before Coach Lee. I have the utmost respect for any coach willing to spend his life growing our youth into outstanding young men. It is probably coming from above but that is why I said when Coach Fred leaves the program. Sure we are all spoiled with the results of the years we are winning but just because we keep beating up on the same teams in a weak conference we use those as the norm when in reality when we face really tough teams we go to what has always won us games and that is our defense and our athletes. We have great results but with a scheme that is geared towards the speed and athletes we have at UMHB with an offense that spreads the field and makes other teams defend everything then who knows what our record could be. We let a lot of teams stay in games because we go into a defensive shell and that is a fact. With a offense on par with our defense we could be talking about a dynasty for a long time to come. I know there are some kids right here in the Temple / Belton area alone that have speed and athleticism to burn. Just my 2 cents

So, I was bored and looked on the NCAA website for stats.  Then I seem to have flooded their system with requests and broke it.  Oops...

For some reason their division leaders only goes back to the 2013 season.  But, since then UMHB been ranked 5, 2, 3, 3, 43, 1 and 3 in scoring offense.  That seems pretty dang good to me (Minus that season that we couldn't decide between Kyle Jones, T.J. Josey and Carl Robinson III).  Over that time period UMHB has scored 48.1 points per game and has an 89-5 record.  The only team that I've found that scores more than that is Mount Union at 51.14 and an 94-5 record and UMHB has beat them twice in that period.  Honestly, I'll take that record.
Ok I get the point. We are satisfied with the results. Maybe we could go back and find stats on how many points our defense scored each game along with how many points our PR and KR took back to the house for 6 in those games. Or the short field we worked with because the defense stonewalled the other team. If you ask anyone about the Cru it is always brought up about their defense and all I am really saying is it would be really great to have an offense as good as our defense. Scoring stats are not always indicative of how the game went. Ask HSU about those defensive points that TLU got.
The old saying is Defense wins championships. That has certainly proven true in Belton. I've watched UMHB for almost 2 decades now (spent a couple of years in Utah before streaming was a real thing) and have seen a move from run...run...run...long run...run...to us having a capable passing game that makes us explosive. In that time, the conference has had years where everyone put up huge offensive numbers. Tons of talent in the state. The Cru d first mentality kept us out of the fray most of the time. Our defense is filthy year in and year out. J Fritz's numbers are down on D because people dont throw at him for fear of the pick so hey, let the LB's and DB's handle that. I'd much rather have a front 4 /LB crew that keep the other team from scoring 20 than have an offense that sometimes has to score 30-40. Having the speed is fun to watch, but I like watching a grind'em out ground game.
My wife and I are Alumni of both UMHB and HSU.  You think you are confused, my kids don't know which Purple and Gold team to pull for.

Etchglow

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I know coach Fred is not going anywhere unt ikl he calls it quits but if he ever decides to hang it up, which coach should the Cru go after? 2 that come to mind that came from the Texas coaching ranks would be coach Bell who is at Baylor right now or coach Dodge who is at Westlake right now. Both are very offensive minded and would take UMHB to the next level offensively. Most believe Harmon would be promoted but I believe he should keep that defense rolling as DC. What say you?

Would probably be a pay cut for either of them, so you would have to have someone motivated to lead a prominent small school program in exchange for earning less.  Dodge was not successful as a college coach, but he was at UNT where he didn't have the embarrassing wealth of resources he's had both stops of his high school career (Southlake Carroll and Westlake are both *very* affluent schools with a boatload of fundraising).   According to USA Today Dodge was making $150K at the end of 2018, and I imagine Bell makes at least that.

Why shouldn't Coach Harmon get a shot?  He has been there since the beginning and has been the number one assistant for many years.  It seems to me that someone with the knowledge of stopping high powered offenses might know something about running one. He has been part of making the Cru what they are today and would likely be able to continue their success, In my book, loyalty should go a long way and until he proves he cannot maintain that current status, he remains my number one choice!
Then he needs to look into a young offensive minded OC with some ideas to utilize our team speed and athletes. We have some talent right here in Central Texas that would be great. And some talented athletes also.

Obviously a lot could potentially change when Coach Pete decides to hang up his whistle for the last time so who knows where Coach Lee could be in that situation.

However I sometimes feel the need to point out that Coach Lee is currently 54-1 as our OC and in that time we have put up some of the best offensive numbers in the country. Do we sometimes get conservative and lean heavily on our defense, absolutely, but who is to say that message isn't coming from the top? And in this hypothetical situation where Coach Harmon takes over, he doesn't strike me as the type that will change that thought process.
This has been pointed out so many times already. I know the record because I was there for every home game and many road games in this time period and even before Coach Lee. I have the utmost respect for any coach willing to spend his life growing our youth into outstanding young men. It is probably coming from above but that is why I said when Coach Fred leaves the program. Sure we are all spoiled with the results of the years we are winning but just because we keep beating up on the same teams in a weak conference we use those as the norm when in reality when we face really tough teams we go to what has always won us games and that is our defense and our athletes. We have great results but with a scheme that is geared towards the speed and athletes we have at UMHB with an offense that spreads the field and makes other teams defend everything then who knows what our record could be. We let a lot of teams stay in games because we go into a defensive shell and that is a fact. With a offense on par with our defense we could be talking about a dynasty for a long time to come. I know there are some kids right here in the Temple / Belton area alone that have speed and athleticism to burn. Just my 2 cents

So, I was bored and looked on the NCAA website for stats.  Then I seem to have flooded their system with requests and broke it.  Oops...

For some reason their division leaders only goes back to the 2013 season.  But, since then UMHB been ranked 5, 2, 3, 3, 43, 1 and 3 in scoring offense.  That seems pretty dang good to me (Minus that season that we couldn't decide between Kyle Jones, T.J. Josey and Carl Robinson III).  Over that time period UMHB has scored 48.1 points per game and has an 89-5 record.  The only team that I've found that scores more than that is Mount Union at 51.14 and an 94-5 record and UMHB has beat them twice in that period.  Honestly, I'll take that record.
Ok I get the point. We are satisfied with the results. Maybe we could go back and find stats on how many points our defense scored each game along with how many points our PR and KR took back to the house for 6 in those games. Or the short field we worked with because the defense stonewalled the other team. If you ask anyone about the Cru it is always brought up about their defense and all I am really saying is it would be really great to have an offense as good as our defense. Scoring stats are not always indicative of how the game went. Ask HSU about those defensive points that TLU got.
The old saying is Defense wins championships. That has certainly proven true in Belton. I've watched UMHB for almost 2 decades now (spent a couple of years in Utah before streaming was a real thing) and have seen a move from run...run...run...long run...run...to us having a capable passing game that makes us explosive. In that time, the conference has had years where everyone put up huge offensive numbers. Tons of talent in the state. The Cru d first mentality kept us out of the fray most of the time. Our defense is filthy year in and year out. J Fritz's numbers are down on D because people dont throw at him for fear of the pick so hey, let the LB's and DB's handle that. I'd much rather have a front 4 /LB crew that keep the other team from scoring 20 than have an offense that sometimes has to score 30-40. Having the speed is fun to watch, but I like watching a grind'em out ground game.

Yep, prime example would be 2016 for etbu. #2 in total offense at 564.3 yards per game and #1 in scoring offense at 49.9.  Ended the season 7 and 3.

SW66

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I know coach Fred is not going anywhere unt ikl he calls it quits but if he ever decides to hang it up, which coach should the Cru go after? 2 that come to mind that came from the Texas coaching ranks would be coach Bell who is at Baylor right now or coach Dodge who is at Westlake right now. Both are very offensive minded and would take UMHB to the next level offensively. Most believe Harmon would be promoted but I believe he should keep that defense rolling as DC. What say you?

Would probably be a pay cut for either of them, so you would have to have someone motivated to lead a prominent small school program in exchange for earning less.  Dodge was not successful as a college coach, but he was at UNT where he didn't have the embarrassing wealth of resources he's had both stops of his high school career (Southlake Carroll and Westlake are both *very* affluent schools with a boatload of fundraising).   According to USA Today Dodge was making $150K at the end of 2018, and I imagine Bell makes at least that.

Why shouldn't Coach Harmon get a shot?  He has been there since the beginning and has been the number one assistant for many years.  It seems to me that someone with the knowledge of stopping high powered offenses might know something about running one. He has been part of making the Cru what they are today and would likely be able to continue their success, In my book, loyalty should go a long way and until he proves he cannot maintain that current status, he remains my number one choice!
Then he needs to look into a young offensive minded OC with some ideas to utilize our team speed and athletes. We have some talent right here in Central Texas that would be great. And some talented athletes also.

Obviously a lot could potentially change when Coach Pete decides to hang up his whistle for the last time so who knows where Coach Lee could be in that situation.

However I sometimes feel the need to point out that Coach Lee is currently 54-1 as our OC and in that time we have put up some of the best offensive numbers in the country. Do we sometimes get conservative and lean heavily on our defense, absolutely, but who is to say that message isn't coming from the top? And in this hypothetical situation where Coach Harmon takes over, he doesn't strike me as the type that will change that thought process.
This has been pointed out so many times already. I know the record because I was there for every home game and many road games in this time period and even before Coach Lee. I have the utmost respect for any coach willing to spend his life growing our youth into outstanding young men. It is probably coming from above but that is why I said when Coach Fred leaves the program. Sure we are all spoiled with the results of the years we are winning but just because we keep beating up on the same teams in a weak conference we use those as the norm when in reality when we face really tough teams we go to what has always won us games and that is our defense and our athletes. We have great results but with a scheme that is geared towards the speed and athletes we have at UMHB with an offense that spreads the field and makes other teams defend everything then who knows what our record could be. We let a lot of teams stay in games because we go into a defensive shell and that is a fact. With a offense on par with our defense we could be talking about a dynasty for a long time to come. I know there are some kids right here in the Temple / Belton area alone that have speed and athleticism to burn. Just my 2 cents

So, I was bored and looked on the NCAA website for stats.  Then I seem to have flooded their system with requests and broke it.  Oops...

For some reason their division leaders only goes back to the 2013 season.  But, since then UMHB been ranked 5, 2, 3, 3, 43, 1 and 3 in scoring offense.  That seems pretty dang good to me (Minus that season that we couldn't decide between Kyle Jones, T.J. Josey and Carl Robinson III).  Over that time period UMHB has scored 48.1 points per game and has an 89-5 record.  The only team that I've found that scores more than that is Mount Union at 51.14 and an 94-5 record and UMHB has beat them twice in that period.  Honestly, I'll take that record.
Ok I get the point. We are satisfied with the results. Maybe we could go back and find stats on how many points our defense scored each game along with how many points our PR and KR took back to the house for 6 in those games. Or the short field we worked with because the defense stonewalled the other team. If you ask anyone about the Cru it is always brought up about their defense and all I am really saying is it would be really great to have an offense as good as our defense. Scoring stats are not always indicative of how the game went. Ask HSU about those defensive points that TLU got.
The old saying is Defense wins championships. That has certainly proven true in Belton. I've watched UMHB for almost 2 decades now (spent a couple of years in Utah before streaming was a real thing) and have seen a move from run...run...run...long run...run...to us having a capable passing game that makes us explosive. In that time, the conference has had years where everyone put up huge offensive numbers. Tons of talent in the state. The Cru d first mentality kept us out of the fray most of the time. Our defense is filthy year in and year out. J Fritz's numbers are down on D because people dont throw at him for fear of the pick so hey, let the LB's and DB's handle that. I'd much rather have a front 4 /LB crew that keep the other team from scoring 20 than have an offense that sometimes has to score 30-40. Having the speed is fun to watch, but I like watching a grind'em out ground game.

Yep, prime example would be 2016 for etbu. #2 in total offense at 564.3 yards per game and #1 in scoring offense at 49.9.  Ended the season 7 and 3.
Ok, this is my last post on this subject but I keep hearing either or. Either we have  a great D or a great O, but we can't want both. Sure we can expect those offensive coaches to coach up those players like those defensive coaches do their players. I don't see that as an unrealistic goal.

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I think we can expect both and frequently we do have both, I think lately though that our defense has been so good that any offense would struggle to keep up.

I did some quick math to compare us to Mount Union, a team that has never been judged to lack offense, comparing the playoff runs for 16, 17 and 18.

All total Mount Union scored 532 point and let up 283 for an average of 38-20. UMHB scored 439 points and let up 164 for an average of a 29-11 score.

So we both won by an average of 18 and I feel like I have to mention that few would argue that we have faced tougher competition in those 3 years.

D O.C.

Sorry guys, my attempt to give you a little more Redlands 'film' then became facts are excuses.
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