FB: American Southwest Conference

[Etchglow]

I feel for Hardin-Simmons, they got the royal shaft. If the tie breaker for top seed for each bracket is the 2019 play-offs, both MHB and Mount Union went out in the same round. But, Mount Union still gets the top seed? The bias still shines through. Now the only thing left is to go out and win each week and be the last one stand when the final whistle blows!

Mount went out in the second round in 2019, UMHB the quarter finals.  Granted, Mount played North Central way closer than UMHB played UWW and we all saw how that played out in the Stagg bowl...  At least, as long as this is correct:  https://www.ncaa.com/brackets/football/d3/2019

So for brackets, the team on the top has home field?  Does that carry over to the deeper rounds?  Or is it based on seeding?  I've slept a lot since the last time we had playoffs . 

[trickytroy32]

About time the ASC go naia. This politics is so obvious

[CowboyAlum261]

I don't understand how Randolph-Macon jumped us. Higher SOS sure, but they only played 8 D3 games and we played 9. And, their loss was much worse than ours—W&L as opposed to UMHB. Anybody have an explanation I'm not seeing?

[CowboyAlum261]

I don't understand how Randolph-Macon jumped us. Higher SOS sure, but they only played 8 D3 games and we played 9. And, their loss was much worse than ours—W&L as opposed to UMHB. Anybody have an explanation I'm not seeing?

Also, don't want to be combative, but doesn't this poke a hole in Pat's "you would have been in if you scheduled a D3 team in non-conference" narrative? Say we played Hendrix and beat them by 50 in non-conference—would that really have made any difference? Really it seems like we were doomed by the fact that the committee valued UMHB less than usual (because of 2019 quarterfinal exit), and because Belhaven and HPU both failed to go 8-2 and get the ASC a third team in the RR. Really seems like our only chance this year would have been to beat UMHB—even if we had played a D3 team in non-conference.

[crufootball]

I don't understand how Randolph-Macon jumped us. Higher SOS sure, but they only played 8 D3 games and we played 9. And, their loss was much worse than ours—W&L as opposed to UMHB. Anybody have an explanation I'm not seeing?

Also, don't want to be combative, but doesn't this poke a hole in Pat's "you would have been in if you scheduled a D3 team in non-conference" narrative? Say we played Hendrix and beat them by 50 in non-conference—would that really have made any difference? Really it seems like we were doomed by the fact that the committee valued UMHB less than usual (because of 2019 quarterfinal exit), and because Belhaven and HPU both failed to go 8-2 and get the ASC a third team in the RR. Really seems like our only chance this year would have been to beat UMHB—even if we had played a D3 team in non-conference.

Playing Hendrix probably doesn't change much since it would have lowered HSU's SOS which was already lower than Randolph Macon's. I think your point about there not being an 8-2 team in the ASC hurting HSU is significant, also hurt UMHB who would have had another ranked win.

[UMHB03]

I don't understand how Randolph-Macon jumped us. Higher SOS sure, but they only played 8 D3 games and we played 9. And, their loss was much worse than ours—W&L as opposed to UMHB. Anybody have an explanation I'm not seeing?

Also, don't want to be combative, but doesn't this poke a hole in Pat's "you would have been in if you scheduled a D3 team in non-conference" narrative? Say we played Hendrix and beat them by 50 in non-conference—would that really have made any difference? Really it seems like we were doomed by the fact that the committee valued UMHB less than usual (because of 2019 quarterfinal exit), and because Belhaven and HPU both failed to go 8-2 and get the ASC a third team in the RR. Really seems like our only chance this year would have been to beat UMHB—even if we had played a D3 team in non-conference.

If HSU were located in New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Illinois, Wisconsin, or Minnesota, they'd be in hands down. Unfortunately, the Southern/Western teams are a minority outsider, and not viewed as part of the club. The Northern-centric NCAA folks basically look at us like the snooty people at the golf club in Caddyshack looked at Rodney Dangerfield.

[Etchglow]

I don't understand how Randolph-Macon jumped us. Higher SOS sure, but they only played 8 D3 games and we played 9. And, their loss was much worse than ours—W&L as opposed to UMHB. Anybody have an explanation I'm not seeing?

Also, don't want to be combative, but doesn't this poke a hole in Pat's "you would have been in if you scheduled a D3 team in non-conference" narrative? Say we played Hendrix and beat them by 50 in non-conference—would that really have made any difference? Really it seems like we were doomed by the fact that the committee valued UMHB less than usual (because of 2019 quarterfinal exit), and because Belhaven and HPU both failed to go 8-2 and get the ASC a third team in the RR. Really seems like our only chance this year would have been to beat UMHB—even if we had played a D3 team in non-conference.

Playing Hendrix probably doesn't change much since it would have lowered HSU's SOS which was already lower than Randolph Macon's. I think your point about there not being an 8-2 team in the ASC hurting HSU is significant, also hurt UMHB who would have had another ranked win.

As a UMHB homer and ASC fan, I wish we had gotten the #1 seed in a bracket but I just think this was another one of those times that being on a D3 island but us. Also, playing round Robin conference also hurts by making the SoS lower (Simpson didn't help either).

Oh well, time to lock in and beat trinity!

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

I don't understand how Randolph-Macon jumped us. Higher SOS sure, but they only played 8 D3 games and we played 9. And, their loss was much worse than ours—W&L as opposed to UMHB. Anybody have an explanation I'm not seeing?

Also, don't want to be combative, but doesn't this poke a hole in Pat's "you would have been in if you scheduled a D3 team in non-conference" narrative? Say we played Hendrix and beat them by 50 in non-conference—would that really have made any difference? Really it seems like we were doomed by the fact that the committee valued UMHB less than usual (because of 2019 quarterfinal exit), and because Belhaven and HPU both failed to go 8-2 and get the ASC a third team in the RR. Really seems like our only chance this year would have been to beat UMHB—even if we had played a D3 team in non-conference.

If HSU were located in New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Illinois, Wisconsin, or Minnesota, they'd be in hands down. Unfortunately, the Southern/Western teams are a minority outsider, and not viewed as part of the club. The Northern-centric NCAA folks basically look at us like the snooty people at the golf club in Caddyshack looked at Rodney Dangerfield.

Hardin-Simmons didn't get in because they were behind Randolph-Macon in the final rankings. They never even got to the table. Had nothing to do with any other region than region 3.

[Ralph Turner]

About time the ASC go naia. This politics is so obvious

In the NAIA, the teams would have to raise the money for the trip. These trips are paid for with the 3.18% allocation to Division III.

[wildcat11]

About time the ASC go naia. This politics is so obvious

I miss the NAIA at times....

[Toby Taff]

About time the ASC go naia. This politics is so obvious

I miss the NAIA at times....

if we meet in round 3 you coming to Texas?

[D3fanboy]

I don't understand how Randolph-Macon jumped us. Higher SOS sure, but they only played 8 D3 games and we played 9. And, their loss was much worse than ours—W&L as opposed to UMHB. Anybody have an explanation I'm not seeing?

Also, don't want to be combative, but doesn't this poke a hole in Pat's "you would have been in if you scheduled a D3 team in non-conference" narrative? Say we played Hendrix and beat them by 50 in non-conference—would that really have made any difference? Really it seems like we were doomed by the fact that the committee valued UMHB less than usual (because of 2019 quarterfinal exit), and because Belhaven and HPU both failed to go 8-2 and get the ASC a third team in the RR. Really seems like our only chance this year would have been to beat UMHB—even if we had played a D3 team in non-conference.

If HSU were located in New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Illinois, Wisconsin, or Minnesota, they'd be in hands down. Unfortunately, the Southern/Western teams are a minority outsider, and not viewed as part of the club. The Northern-centric NCAA folks basically look at us like the snooty people at the golf club in Caddyshack looked at Rodney Dangerfield.

Hardin-Simmons didn't get in because they were behind Randolph-Macon in the final rankings. They never even got to the table. Had nothing to do with any other region than region 3.

They probably would have got in if they stayed in Region 6...

[SaintsFAN]

About time the ASC go naia. This politics is so obvious

As a former player and alum of Thomas More, the experience in NAIA has been a weird one.  I'd much rather have stayed in Division Three.  Thankfully the Saints are headed back to the NCAA. 

[wildcat11]

About time the ASC go naia. This politics is so obvious

I miss the NAIA at times....

if we meet in round 3 you coming to Texas?

Does HSU lose to UMHB every year? 

[Toby Taff]

About time the ASC go naia. This politics is so obvious

I miss the NAIA at times....

if we meet in round 3 you coming to Texas?

Does HSU lose to UMHB every year?