FB: American Southwest Conference

[justafan12]

If football in Texas is truly king, then I could certainly see Austin and TLU jumping at the chance to move to another conference and get away from UMHB in football.  There are certainly other things to consider but ...

[BSCpanthers]

Over the next year+ we are going to be seeing a lot of movement in conferences with the min required for AQ goes to 6.  As associate members leave to play football in their full time conferences, teams should have more spots for OOC games, but also have more options for those OOC games because these teams that were associate members are now available for those OOC games. 

[TLU02SA]

Over the next year+ we are going to be seeing a lot of movement in conferences with the min required for AQ goes to 6.  As associate members leave to play football in their full time conferences, teams should have more spots for OOC games, but also have more options for those OOC games because these teams that were associate members are now available for those OOC games.

I agree.  The next year or so will be interesting.

[Etchglow]

Over the next year+ we are going to be seeing a lot of movement in conferences with the min required for AQ goes to 6.  As associate members leave to play football in their full time conferences, teams should have more spots for OOC games, but also have more options for those OOC games because these teams that were associate members are now available for those OOC games.

The more I think about it, depending on the island size I could see this actually helping. There are (or will be) 13 teams in the Ark-La-Tx areas. If there were two conferences of 6 teams, you're talking what, 5 non-confeeence games and 5 conference games? Each conference would need that as well. This would be an improvement over now where the SAA only needs 1-2 non-confeeence games and the ASC needs 3+.

[Etchglow]

UMHB Names OC:

https://cruathletics.com/news/2022/2/11/football-names-andy-padron-offensive-coordinator.aspx

[ksclegal]

This is a great hire. Padron is a bright young but experienced coach who will hit the ground running.

[CowboyAlum261]

Over the next year+ we are going to be seeing a lot of movement in conferences with the min required for AQ goes to 6.  As associate members leave to play football in their full time conferences, teams should have more spots for OOC games, but also have more options for those OOC games because these teams that were associate members are now available for those OOC games.

The more I think about it, depending on the island size I could see this actually helping. There are (or will be) 13 teams in the Ark-La-Tx areas. If there were two conferences of 6 teams, you're talking what, 5 non-confeeence games and 5 conference games? Each conference would need that as well. This would be an improvement over now where the SAA only needs 1-2 non-confeeence games and the ASC needs 3+.

My fear is that the ASC will be left with only 6 when the affiliate-members bolt for another league. An ASC with only Sul Ross and McMcurry (geographically isolated to the point they have no other option) and then HSU, HPU, UMHB, and ETBU (tied together in several ways because of Baptist faith) would present real scheduling challenges for both HSU and UMHB. Having to fill 5 non-conference games would be brutal, even if there is another 6-team conference primarily based in Texas. Not many schools want to sign up for the type of game that HSU, and to a greater extent UMHB, are likely to play.

For example, this year, HSU is probably going to end up playing 2 non-D3 non-conference games because they cannot get any D3 opponents to play them. I've heard that Coach Burleson has personally called more than 100 D-3 programs, offering a home-and-home where HSU would travel this year, and no school has agreed. To the extent HSU experiences this problem, I imagine it is even harder for UMHB.

I hope I am wrong and that the ASC will be able to bring in some of the new programs to stay a larger league, but I'm not optimistic.

[D3fanboy]

Aug. 20 would be a scrimmage. You can't play a countable game on that date.

Unless they get accreditation, you can't play a countable game against North American on any date.

Makes sense, Sul Ross's game last year was an exhibition for their homecoming.

They don't appear to be affiliated with any athletic association. Students have to pay to be on the athletic teams as well. $1900 a season, for everything except men's soccer with is $1000.

I was kind of wondering how they managed to have 160+ on their football roster (according to their website), but only had like 300 people enrolled.

Bishop Sycamore coming to Texas in '22

[BSCpanthers]

Over the next year+ we are going to be seeing a lot of movement in conferences with the min required for AQ goes to 6.  As associate members leave to play football in their full time conferences, teams should have more spots for OOC games, but also have more options for those OOC games because these teams that were associate members are now available for those OOC games.

The more I think about it, depending on the island size I could see this actually helping. There are (or will be) 13 teams in the Ark-La-Tx areas. If there were two conferences of 6 teams, you're talking what, 5 non-confeeence games and 5 conference games? Each conference would need that as well. This would be an improvement over now where the SAA only needs 1-2 non-confeeence games and the ASC needs 3+.

My fear is that the ASC will be left with only 6 when the affiliate-members bolt for another league. An ASC with only Sul Ross and McMcurry (geographically isolated to the point they have no other option) and then HSU, HPU, UMHB, and ETBU (tied together in several ways because of Baptist faith) would present real scheduling challenges for both HSU and UMHB. Having to fill 5 non-conference games would be brutal, even if there is another 6-team conference primarily based in Texas. Not many schools want to sign up for the type of game that HSU, and to a greater extent UMHB, are likely to play.

For example, this year, HSU is probably going to end up playing 2 non-D3 non-conference games because they cannot get any D3 opponents to play them. I've heard that Coach Burleson has personally called more than 100 D-3 programs, offering a home-and-home where HSU would travel this year, and no school has agreed. To the extent HSU experiences this problem, I imagine it is even harder for UMHB.

I hope I am wrong and that the ASC will be able to bring in some of the new programs to stay a larger league, but I'm not optimistic.

No one wants to schedule those teams because if they lose, the at-large bid is gone, but if there are no at-large bids, it won't matter anymore.  If we end up with 32 football playing conferences, then it all comes down to winning your conference and it won't matter if you go 0-5 out of conference. 

Maybe if you can get a local media channel to get behind an OOC game where you can offer the other team 100k to play you might help.  Some of these schools could really use even a $50k influx into their program.  If ESPN will broadcast high school games, surely there is a market for D3 games as well.

[SW1]

Over the next year+ we are going to be seeing a lot of movement in conferences with the min required for AQ goes to 6.  As associate members leave to play football in their full time conferences, teams should have more spots for OOC games, but also have more options for those OOC games because these teams that were associate members are now available for those OOC games.

The more I think about it, depending on the island size I could see this actually helping. There are (or will be) 13 teams in the Ark-La-Tx areas. If there were two conferences of 6 teams, you're talking what, 5 non-confeeence games and 5 conference games? Each conference would need that as well. This would be an improvement over now where the SAA only needs 1-2 non-confeeence games and the ASC needs 3+.

My fear is that the ASC will be left with only 6 when the affiliate-members bolt for another league. An ASC with only Sul Ross and McMcurry (geographically isolated to the point they have no other option) and then HSU, HPU, UMHB, and ETBU (tied together in several ways because of Baptist faith) would present real scheduling challenges for both HSU and UMHB. Having to fill 5 non-conference games would be brutal, even if there is another 6-team conference primarily based in Texas. Not many schools want to sign up for the type of game that HSU, and to a greater extent UMHB, are likely to play.

For example, this year, HSU is probably going to end up playing 2 non-D3 non-conference games because they cannot get any D3 opponents to play them. I've heard that Coach Burleson has personally called more than 100 D-3 programs, offering a home-and-home where HSU would travel this year, and no school has agreed. To the extent HSU experiences this problem, I imagine it is even harder for UMHB.

I hope I am wrong and that the ASC will be able to bring in some of the new programs to stay a larger league, but I'm not optimistic.

No one wants to schedule those teams because if they lose, the at-large bid is gone, but if there are no at-large bids, it won't matter anymore.  If we end up with 32 football playing conferences, then it all comes down to winning your conference and it won't matter if you go 0-5 out of conference. 

Maybe if you can get a local media channel to get behind an OOC game where you can offer the other team 100k to play you might help.  Some of these schools could really use even a $50k influx into their program.  If ESPN will broadcast high school games, surely there is a market for D3 games as well.

You may make the playoffs at 5-5 after winning your conference but your seeding in the playoffs would be brutal.

[Etchglow]

Over the next year+ we are going to be seeing a lot of movement in conferences with the min required for AQ goes to 6.  As associate members leave to play football in their full time conferences, teams should have more spots for OOC games, but also have more options for those OOC games because these teams that were associate members are now available for those OOC games.

The more I think about it, depending on the island size I could see this actually helping. There are (or will be) 13 teams in the Ark-La-Tx areas. If there were two conferences of 6 teams, you're talking what, 5 non-confeeence games and 5 conference games? Each conference would need that as well. This would be an improvement over now where the SAA only needs 1-2 non-confeeence games and the ASC needs 3+.

My fear is that the ASC will be left with only 6 when the affiliate-members bolt for another league. An ASC with only Sul Ross and McMcurry (geographically isolated to the point they have no other option) and then HSU, HPU, UMHB, and ETBU (tied together in several ways because of Baptist faith) would present real scheduling challenges for both HSU and UMHB. Having to fill 5 non-conference games would be brutal, even if there is another 6-team conference primarily based in Texas. Not many schools want to sign up for the type of game that HSU, and to a greater extent UMHB, are likely to play.

For example, this year, HSU is probably going to end up playing 2 non-D3 non-conference games because they cannot get any D3 opponents to play them. I've heard that Coach Burleson has personally called more than 100 D-3 programs, offering a home-and-home where HSU would travel this year, and no school has agreed. To the extent HSU experiences this problem, I imagine it is even harder for UMHB.

I hope I am wrong and that the ASC will be able to bring in some of the new programs to stay a larger league, but I'm not optimistic.

No one wants to schedule those teams because if they lose, the at-large bid is gone, but if there are no at-large bids, it won't matter anymore.  If we end up with 32 football playing conferences, then it all comes down to winning your conference and it won't matter if you go 0-5 out of conference. 

Maybe if you can get a local media channel to get behind an OOC game where you can offer the other team 100k to play you might help.  Some of these schools could really use even a $50k influx into their program.  If ESPN will broadcast high school games, surely there is a market for D3 games as well.

You may make the playoffs at 5-5 after winning your conference but your seeding in the playoffs would be brutal.

I mean, seeding for island teams is brutal anyways.

[Ralph Turner]

Over the next year+ we are going to be seeing a lot of movement in conferences with the min required for AQ goes to 6.  As associate members leave to play football in their full time conferences, teams should have more spots for OOC games, but also have more options for those OOC games because these teams that were associate members are now available for those OOC games.

The more I think about it, depending on the island size I could see this actually helping. There are (or will be) 13 teams in the Ark-La-Tx areas. If there were two conferences of 6 teams, you're talking what, 5 non-confeeence games and 5 conference games? Each conference would need that as well. This would be an improvement over now where the SAA only needs 1-2 non-confeeence games and the ASC needs 3+.

My fear is that the ASC will be left with only 6 when the affiliate-members bolt for another league. An ASC with only Sul Ross and McMcurry (geographically isolated to the point they have no other option) and then HSU, HPU, UMHB, and ETBU (tied together in several ways because of Baptist faith) would present real scheduling challenges for both HSU and UMHB. Having to fill 5 non-conference games would be brutal, even if there is another 6-team conference primarily based in Texas. Not many schools want to sign up for the type of game that HSU, and to a greater extent UMHB, are likely to play.

For example, this year, HSU is probably going to end up playing 2 non-D3 non-conference games because they cannot get any D3 opponents to play them. I've heard that Coach Burleson has personally called more than 100 D-3 programs, offering a home-and-home where HSU would travel this year, and no school has agreed. To the extent HSU experiences this problem, I imagine it is even harder for UMHB.

I hope I am wrong and that the ASC will be able to bring in some of the new programs to stay a larger league, but I'm not optimistic.

No one wants to schedule those teams because if they lose, the at-large bid is gone, but if there are no at-large bids, it won't matter anymore.  If we end up with 32 football playing conferences, then it all comes down to winning your conference and it won't matter if you go 0-5 out of conference. 

Maybe if you can get a local media channel to get behind an OOC game where you can offer the other team 100k to play you might help.  Some of these schools could really use even a $50k influx into their program.  If ESPN will broadcast high school games, surely there is a market for D3 games as well.

You may make the playoffs at 5-5 after winning your conference but your seeding in the playoffs would be brutal.

I mean, seeding for island teams is brutal anyways.

+1

What did we  have last season?

A #4 Trinity at a#1 UMHB in the first round. That is a 2nd round game! (I had UMHB as the best team in the bracket, regardless of the seedings by the book.)

BSC got lucky to play Huntingdon. For me, that was a #5 vs a#7. (I thought that Huntingdon was a better team than lake Forest.)

[ksclegal]

https://cruathletics.com/news/2022/2/16/football-adds-matt-cannata-as-offensive-line-coach.aspx

[MRMIKESMITH]

Over the next year+ we are going to be seeing a lot of movement in conferences with the min required for AQ goes to 6.  As associate members leave to play football in their full time conferences, teams should have more spots for OOC games, but also have more options for those OOC games because these teams that were associate members are now available for those OOC games.

The more I think about it, depending on the island size I could see this actually helping. There are (or will be) 13 teams in the Ark-La-Tx areas. If there were two conferences of 6 teams, you're talking what, 5 non-confeeence games and 5 conference games? Each conference would need that as well. This would be an improvement over now where the SAA only needs 1-2 non-confeeence games and the ASC needs 3+.

My fear is that the ASC will be left with only 6 when the affiliate-members bolt for another league. An ASC with only Sul Ross and McMcurry (geographically isolated to the point they have no other option) and then HSU, HPU, UMHB, and ETBU (tied together in several ways because of Baptist faith) would present real scheduling challenges for both HSU and UMHB. Having to fill 5 non-conference games would be brutal, even if there is another 6-team conference primarily based in Texas. Not many schools want to sign up for the type of game that HSU, and to a greater extent UMHB, are likely to play.

For example, this year, HSU is probably going to end up playing 2 non-D3 non-conference games because they cannot get any D3 opponents to play them. I've heard that Coach Burleson has personally called more than 100 D-3 programs, offering a home-and-home where HSU would travel this year, and no school has agreed. To the extent HSU experiences this problem, I imagine it is even harder for UMHB.

I hope I am wrong and that the ASC will be able to bring in some of the new programs to stay a larger league, but I'm not optimistic.

Same with Salisbury to an extent. We are fortunate to have had some Alumni on other coaching staff around the East and Mid-Atlantic that are persuasive to get matchups. It would be nice if somehow HSU and Salisbury could get a neutral site game in Atlanta or Nashville.

[crufootball]

Over the next year+ we are going to be seeing a lot of movement in conferences with the min required for AQ goes to 6.  As associate members leave to play football in their full time conferences, teams should have more spots for OOC games, but also have more options for those OOC games because these teams that were associate members are now available for those OOC games.

The more I think about it, depending on the island size I could see this actually helping. There are (or will be) 13 teams in the Ark-La-Tx areas. If there were two conferences of 6 teams, you're talking what, 5 non-confeeence games and 5 conference games? Each conference would need that as well. This would be an improvement over now where the SAA only needs 1-2 non-confeeence games and the ASC needs 3+.

My fear is that the ASC will be left with only 6 when the affiliate-members bolt for another league. An ASC with only Sul Ross and McMcurry (geographically isolated to the point they have no other option) and then HSU, HPU, UMHB, and ETBU (tied together in several ways because of Baptist faith) would present real scheduling challenges for both HSU and UMHB. Having to fill 5 non-conference games would be brutal, even if there is another 6-team conference primarily based in Texas. Not many schools want to sign up for the type of game that HSU, and to a greater extent UMHB, are likely to play.

For example, this year, HSU is probably going to end up playing 2 non-D3 non-conference games because they cannot get any D3 opponents to play them. I've heard that Coach Burleson has personally called more than 100 D-3 programs, offering a home-and-home where HSU would travel this year, and no school has agreed. To the extent HSU experiences this problem, I imagine it is even harder for UMHB.

I hope I am wrong and that the ASC will be able to bring in some of the new programs to stay a larger league, but I'm not optimistic.

This is when I wish I could be a fly on the wall in multiple places. I don't doubt that Coach Burleson and HSU are actively trying to find opponents but as you said in theory it should be even harder for UMHB and they do get people to say yes.... so what is going on behind the scenes at all these places would be very interesting to know.