FB: American Southwest Conference

[crufootball]

If memory serves the SAA had something similar happen when WashU and UChicago joined them for a year before bolting.  SW will still need a home next year and I imagine everyone has their schedule set. 

Maybe we need to move this conversation to the dormant SCAC board, our friends in the ASC probably could care less.

Based on the potential outcomes of this I think the ASC friends very much care. Without McMurry, Southwestern, TLU and Austin College, ASC football consists of UMHB, HSU, HPU, SRS and ETBU and no AQ soon enough.

[Ron Boerger]

If memory serves the SAA had something similar happen when WashU and UChicago joined them for a year before bolting.  SW will still need a home next year and I imagine everyone has their schedule set. 

Maybe we need to move this conversation to the dormant SCAC board, our friends in the ASC probably could care less.

Based on the potential outcomes of this I think the ASC friends very much care. Without McMurry, Southwestern, TLU and Austin College, ASC football consists of UMHB, HSU, HPU, SRS and ETBU and no AQ soon enough.

I imagine feelers are going out to Lyon even as we speak.

[crufootball]

If memory serves the SAA had something similar happen when WashU and UChicago joined them for a year before bolting.  SW will still need a home next year and I imagine everyone has their schedule set. 

Maybe we need to move this conversation to the dormant SCAC board, our friends in the ASC probably could care less.

Based on the potential outcomes of this I think the ASC friends very much care. Without McMurry, Southwestern, TLU and Austin College, ASC football consists of UMHB, HSU, HPU, SRS and ETBU and no AQ soon enough.

I imagine feelers are going out to Lyon even as we speak.

Prehaps but this is going to make non conference crazy, unless we can partner with another conference even with 6 schools we would need 5 non conference games and it hasn't been easy to find 2.

[justafan12]

If memory serves the SAA had something similar happen when WashU and UChicago joined them for a year before bolting.  SW will still need a home next year and I imagine everyone has their schedule set. 

Maybe we need to move this conversation to the dormant SCAC board, our friends in the ASC probably could care less.

Based on the potential outcomes of this I think the ASC friends very much care. Without McMurry, Southwestern, TLU and Austin College, ASC football consists of UMHB, HSU, HPU, SRS and ETBU and no AQ soon enough.

I imagine feelers are going out to Lyon even as we speak.

Lyon headed to the St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference.

https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2022/08/lyon-to-join-sliac

[Ron Boerger]

If memory serves the SAA had something similar happen when WashU and UChicago joined them for a year before bolting.  SW will still need a home next year and I imagine everyone has their schedule set. 

Maybe we need to move this conversation to the dormant SCAC board, our friends in the ASC probably could care less.

Based on the potential outcomes of this I think the ASC friends very much care. Without McMurry, Southwestern, TLU and Austin College, ASC football consists of UMHB, HSU, HPU, SRS and ETBU and no AQ soon enough.

I imagine feelers are going out to Lyon even as we speak.

Lyon headed to the St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference.

https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2022/08/lyon-to-join-sliac

From the article:  "[...] That group of sports does not include football, and the school confirmed on Tuesday that Lyon is still seeking a conference affiliation for its football program".  That's the sole context here.

[Cowboy2]

Often wonder if UMHB wasnt so dominate (awesome respect), if there wouldn't be such musical chairs. I know these decisions aren't solely made for only football with in regards to budgeting all the other sports for an AD, but everything sounds great until you take a 50 burger each contest. Cost wise SCAC and ASC could make a an association only for football and easily have a 10 game schedule that would keep budget pretty economical for all programs. They could even do an East and west division if the felt the need to travel elsewhere for OOC games like STJ and co. do.  However, monkey in the room is that the CRU doesn't look to be slowing down anytime soon. I also would be surprised to see Trinity rejoin unless they are pressured to. They have long standing history with many of the SAA universities.

[crufootball]

Often wonder if UMHB wasnt so dominate (awesome respect), if there wouldn't be such musical chairs. I know these decisions aren't solely made for only football with in regards to budgeting all the other sports for an AD, but everything sounds great until you take a 50 burger each contest. Cost wise SCAC and ASC could make a an association only for football and easily have a 10 game schedule that would keep budget pretty economical for all programs. They could even do an East and west division if the felt the need to travel elsewhere for OOC games like STJ and co. do.  However, monkey in the room is that the CRU doesn't look to be slowing down anytime soon. I also would be surprised to see Trinity rejoin unless they are pressured to. They have long standing history with many of the SAA universities.

I have always thought the dominance of UMHB was overstated unless you are talking about football only. UMHB strength has been in most sports that we are consistently decent/pretty good, we have obviously been great at football and have been consistently very good at mens and women's golf. Other than that we have had nice runs in various sports but we are by no means running the conference in the way that St. Thomas appeared to do. Actually I did a very rough ASC challenge last year where I gave points based on where you finished in the conference in every sport and HSU beat out UMHB and UT Dallas by a nose, now I didn't give any bonus points for NCAA playoff results where we did pretty good last year.

I must say this has me worried about the future of the ASC but as with most things I am sure there are massive amounts of things that important people know and are working through but this isn't a good day for the conference.

[Cowboy2]

Often wonder if UMHB wasnt so dominate (awesome respect), if there wouldn't be such musical chairs. I know these decisions aren't solely made for only football with in regards to budgeting all the other sports for an AD, but everything sounds great until you take a 50 burger each contest. Cost wise SCAC and ASC could make a an association only for football and easily have a 10 game schedule that would keep budget pretty economical for all programs. They could even do an East and west division if the felt the need to travel elsewhere for OOC games like STJ and co. do.  However, monkey in the room is that the CRU doesn't look to be slowing down anytime soon. I also would be surprised to see Trinity rejoin unless they are pressured to. They have long standing history with many of the SAA universities.

I have always thought the dominance of UMHB was overstated unless you are talking about football only. UMHB strength has been in most sports that we are consistently decent/pretty good, we have obviously been great at football and have been consistently very good at mens and women's golf. Other than that we have had nice runs in various sports but we are by no means running the conference in the way that St. Thomas appeared to do. Actually I did a very rough ASC challenge last year where I gave points based on where you finished in the conference in every sport and HSU beat out UMHB and UT Dallas by a nose, now I didn't give any bonus points for NCAA playoff results where we did pretty good last year.

I must say this has me worried about the future of the ASC but as with most things I am sure there are massive amounts of things that important people know and are working through but this isn't a good day for the conference.

I wonder if it has anything to do with McMurry breaking away from HSU over the nursing deal and then also being in the same spot for sports and recruiting?

[crufootball]

Often wonder if UMHB wasnt so dominate (awesome respect), if there wouldn't be such musical chairs. I know these decisions aren't solely made for only football with in regards to budgeting all the other sports for an AD, but everything sounds great until you take a 50 burger each contest. Cost wise SCAC and ASC could make a an association only for football and easily have a 10 game schedule that would keep budget pretty economical for all programs. They could even do an East and west division if the felt the need to travel elsewhere for OOC games like STJ and co. do.  However, monkey in the room is that the CRU doesn't look to be slowing down anytime soon. I also would be surprised to see Trinity rejoin unless they are pressured to. They have long standing history with many of the SAA universities.

I have always thought the dominance of UMHB was overstated unless you are talking about football only. UMHB strength has been in most sports that we are consistently decent/pretty good, we have obviously been great at football and have been consistently very good at mens and women's golf. Other than that we have had nice runs in various sports but we are by no means running the conference in the way that St. Thomas appeared to do. Actually I did a very rough ASC challenge last year where I gave points based on where you finished in the conference in every sport and HSU beat out UMHB and UT Dallas by a nose, now I didn't give any bonus points for NCAA playoff results where we did pretty good last year.

I must say this has me worried about the future of the ASC but as with most things I am sure there are massive amounts of things that important people know and are working through but this isn't a good day for the conference.

I wonder if it has anything to do with McMurry breaking away from HSU over the nursing deal and then also being in the same spot for sports and recruiting?

Anything is possible but it will be interesting how it all pans out for them in same way that A&M left the Big 12 and ended up back with UT anyway. Lets say the ASC stays together, do you not play your cross town rival in a non conference game, even if it is just to save money on travel? Lets say the ASC breaks up, does the the SCAC take HSU since some on these boards thought they were the more likely addition to the SCAC? Lastly if the ASC breaks up and HSU goes D2, is your recruiting any easier with ACU recruiting at the FCS level and HSU (and maybe others) at the D2 level, I wouldn't think so.

[Ron Boerger]

I think the discussion of the ASC breaking up is premature.  First, they offer a lot of other sports besides football that are in no danger of losing NCAA bids.  Second, even if the worst case scenario comes through, there are still a couple years before McM leaves and a couple years after that for the conference to find one more team to either start up football or come in as an affiliate while still retaining the Pool A bid.  The same enrollment challenges that are driving Centenary and possibly Schreiner to start football also impact at least some of the ASC schools that don't currently offer the sport.

[Ralph Turner]

I think the discussion of the ASC breaking up is premature.  First, they offer a lot of other sports besides football that are in no danger of losing NCAA bids.  Second, even if the worst case scenario comes through, there are still a couple years before McM leaves and a couple years after that for the conference to find one more team to either start up football or come in as an affiliate while still retaining the Pool A bid.  The same enrollment challenges that are driving Centenary and possibly Schreiner to start football also impact at least some of the ASC schools that don't currently offer the sport.

UTDallas, LeTourneau, U Ozarks, Concordia Texas.

Also, who in Texas (NAIA schools) who is playing football might be invited to join the ASC?
Southwestern Assemblies? Texas Wesleyan who had a cup of coffee in 2001-02 with the ASC as they dropped from D-2? Wayland Baptist? Louisiana (Christian) College? Lyon?

[Riley Zayas]

I think the discussion of the ASC breaking up is premature.  First, they offer a lot of other sports besides football that are in no danger of losing NCAA bids.  Second, even if the worst case scenario comes through, there are still a couple years before McM leaves and a couple years after that for the conference to find one more team to either start up football or come in as an affiliate while still retaining the Pool A bid.  The same enrollment challenges that are driving Centenary and possibly Schreiner to start football also impact at least some of the ASC schools that don't currently offer the sport.

UTDallas, LeTourneau, U Ozarks, Concordia Texas.

Also, who in Texas (NAIA schools) who is playing football might be invited to join the ASC?
Southwestern Assemblies? Texas Wesleyan who had a cup of coffee in 2001-02 with the ASC as they dropped from D-2? Wayland Baptist? Louisiana (Christian) College? Lyon?

SAGU seems the most likely. But most NAIA schools would probably be resistant to giving up athletic scholarships. From various standpoints, the athletic scholarships boost their athletic programs. Not saying they wouldn't do well in D3, but it's hard to change the way you recruit. Plus, playing in a conference with two national powers is a hard sell. Can't see many schools breaking away from years of NAIA affiliation to be at the middle to bottom of a conference (at least football-wise).

[Pat Coleman]

Here's the SCAC's plan:
https://www.d3football.com/notables/2022/11/scac-announces-football-plans

[Toby Taff]

Just got an email from a former professor/friend who works at Schreiner. They have a town hall about football tonight.

[Ralph Turner]

Here's the SCAC's plan:
https://www.d3football.com/notables/2022/11/scac-announces-football-plans

Lyon!