FB: American Southwest Conference

[cover2]

This is a big issue and not just for football.  Conference leadership hasn't addressed it at all either!

[Ron Boerger]

This is a big issue and not just for football.  Conference leadership hasn't addressed it at all either!

You would think that if the Sul Ross vote to D2 goes through that they will have to.  If there is no ASC football that might also convince UMHB to move to D2/D1 FCS, HSU to finally think about a move to the SCAC, and who knows what other dominoes could fall absent some sort of statement from the conference.

[crufootball]

This is a big issue and not just for football.  Conference leadership hasn't addressed it at all either!

You would think that if the Sul Ross vote to D2 goes through that they will have to.  If there is no ASC football that might also convince UMHB to move to D2/D1 FCS, HSU to finally think about a move to the SCAC, and who knows what other dominoes could fall absent some sort of statement from the conference.

Wonder what the SCAC is thinking, who else do they want/can they take? Also is the threat of losing some/all reminding members enough to make schools like LeTourneau/Ozarks develop a football program?

Either way this is when I wish there was some more media in this small corner of the world because the silence from the ASC has been loud

[tigerguy]

This is a big issue and not just for football.  Conference leadership hasn't addressed it at all either!

You would think that if the Sul Ross vote to D2 goes through that they will have to.  If there is no ASC football that might also convince UMHB to move to D2/D1 FCS, HSU to finally think about a move to the SCAC, and who knows what other dominoes could fall absent some sort of statement from the conference.

Does HSU have the academics to be considered by SCAC, which we know is snooty in that regard? I don't know why UMHB would ever leave a football division that they dominate, but I guess if they have no choice....Obviously, there are sports other than football to consider.

At least from a football standpoint, they certainty have the facilities for a D2/D1 FCS program. Whole thing is shaping up to be a da*n shame though, but I'm hoping things work out.

[Ron Boerger]

The SCAC's not nearly as snooty as it was before the SAA schools split off (besides travel, the reason for the split was they didn't like what they were seeing from the newly added schools in Texas).  HSU would fit right in; I think they're comparable to McMurry and Schreiner in that regard but don't have the time to dig into it. 

That said, the SCAC will have ten schools after McM joins, which is a decent number.  An 11th might cause some scheduling issues in other sports.

[HSUCowboy2015]

This is a big issue and not just for football.  Conference leadership hasn't addressed it at all either!

You would think that if the Sul Ross vote to D2 goes through that they will have to.  If there is no ASC football that might also convince UMHB to move to D2/D1 FCS, HSU to finally think about a move to the SCAC, and who knows what other dominoes could fall absent some sort of statement from the conference.

Does HSU have the academics to be considered by SCAC, which we know is snooty in that regard? I don't know why UMHB would ever leave a football division that they dominate, but I guess if they have no choice....Obviously, there are sports other than football to consider.

At least from a football standpoint, they certainty have the facilities for a D2/D1 FCS program. Whole thing is shaping up to be a da*n shame though, but I'm hoping things work out.

Not to be "that guy", but I'm assuming academics have been thrown out the window considering that McMurry has made the jump over to the conference. Not saying MCM has bad academics, but the standards have been dropped.

The ASC leadership has done little to none since I've been closely following D3 athletics. I think the mass exodus from the ASC is the fact that people are tired of UMHB. They have become good or great at just about every sport they implement, which is great for them. I think teams in the ASC know they cannot compete at the level UMHB is at.

Can UMHB financially afford to move up to DII or FCS? The last I heard they had a good amount of debt from all the construction going on and some other factors. That could be old information, I just had heard that from friends that worked there during my time working at HSU. 

[MonroviaCat]

This is a big issue and not just for football.  Conference leadership hasn't addressed it at all either!

You would think that if the Sul Ross vote to D2 goes through that they will have to.  If there is no ASC football that might also convince UMHB to move to D2/D1 FCS, HSU to finally think about a move to the SCAC, and who knows what other dominoes could fall absent some sort of statement from the conference.

Wonder what the SCAC is thinking, who else do they want/can they take? Also is the threat of losing some/all reminding members enough to make schools like LeTourneau/Ozarks develop a football program?

Either way this is when I wish there was some more media in this small corner of the world because the silence from the ASC has been loud

With Whittier dropping football in the SCIAC, there's been mention of merging the SCIAC and NWC.  Maybe the ASC need to find somebody to merge with.....SCIAC/ASC/NWC Super Conference? 

[Etchglow]

This is a big issue and not just for football.  Conference leadership hasn't addressed it at all either!

You would think that if the Sul Ross vote to D2 goes through that they will have to.  If there is no ASC football that might also convince UMHB to move to D2/D1 FCS, HSU to finally think about a move to the SCAC, and who knows what other dominoes could fall absent some sort of statement from the conference.

Wonder what the SCAC is thinking, who else do they want/can they take? Also is the threat of losing some/all reminding members enough to make schools like LeTourneau/Ozarks develop a football program?

Either way this is when I wish there was some more media in this small corner of the world because the silence from the ASC has been loud

With Whittier dropping football in the SCIAC, there's been mention of merging the SCIAC and NWC.  Maybe the ASC need to find somebody to merge with.....SCIAC/ASC/NWC Super Conference? 

I mean, that would mean we wouldn't have to play each other in the first round lol... Travel would suck though.

[justafan12]

At one time, UT Dallas was leaving the ASC for a jump to D2..  I think they may have been delayed this to give them time to update their facilities.
Of course this is not football related but it is another school that plays most other sports leaving the ASC. With Sul Ross leaving that leaves the ASC with a max of 8 schools for all other sports.

[UMHB03]

It may be time for UMHB and HSU to follow Sul Ross's lead and make the jump to D2. There are a lot of things I like about D3, but after yet another season of unfair and inequitable treatment due to penny pinching during playoff time, where the Texas teams (all ranked in the top 10) are once again lumped together in a 4-team pod to knock each other off as quickly as possible, I'm about ready to move one. There would be some challenges to moving up a division, but the continuing dissolution of the ASC might force our hand.

[Etchglow]

It may be time for UMHB and HSU to follow Sul Ross's lead and make the jump to D2. There are a lot of things I like about D3, but after yet another season of unfair and inequitable treatment due to penny pinching during playoff time, where the Texas teams (all ranked in the top 10) are once again lumped together in a 4-team pod to knock each other off as quickly as possible, I'm about ready to move one. There would be some challenges to moving up a division, but the continuing dissolution of the ASC might force our hand.

I haven't really looked at d2 honestly, but it would be pretty funny facing our former offensive coaches at Abilene Christian lol...

[Toby Taff]

It may be time for UMHB and HSU to follow Sul Ross's lead and make the jump to D2. There are a lot of things I like about D3, but after yet another season of unfair and inequitable treatment due to penny pinching during playoff time, where the Texas teams (all ranked in the top 10) are once again lumped together in a 4-team pod to knock each other off as quickly as possible, I'm about ready to move one. There would be some challenges to moving up a division, but the continuing dissolution of the ASC might force our hand.

I haven't really looked at d2 honestly, but it would be pretty funny facing our former offensive coaches at Abilene Christian lol...

ACU is a D1fcs school

[Etchglow]

It may be time for UMHB and HSU to follow Sul Ross's lead and make the jump to D2. There are a lot of things I like about D3, but after yet another season of unfair and inequitable treatment due to penny pinching during playoff time, where the Texas teams (all ranked in the top 10) are once again lumped together in a 4-team pod to knock each other off as quickly as possible, I'm about ready to move one. There would be some challenges to moving up a division, but the continuing dissolution of the ASC might force our hand.

I haven't really looked at d2 honestly, but it would be pretty funny facing our former offensive coaches at Abilene Christian lol...

ACU is a D1fcs school

Derp... I guess I'm only like 5 years behind the times on them lol. Map I was looking at showed them d2 still. Then again, it showed Tarleton as d2 as well...

Gotta kind of wonder if others saw this was coming... North American University in Houston started football a few years back and play/played a lot of ASC schools. They ended up going NAIA.

[jekelish]

At one time, UT Dallas was leaving the ASC for a jump to D2..  I think they may have been delayed this to give them time to update their facilities.
Of course this is not football related but it is another school that plays most other sports leaving the ASC. With Sul Ross leaving that leaves the ASC with a max of 8 schools for all other sports.

They still could, and honestly probably eventually will. I've known some folks at UTD and some other people I know in college athletics in Texas have told me that UTD really did not want to make the jump, but that the Texas state schools are all expected to go D2 or higher at some point, to form their own little pod of D2 and, in some cases, D1 conferences. I thought UTD would jump at the same time as Tyler and was wrong then, but I'd still be willing to wager they'll make the jump within the next five years or so.

It's a shame, I know the folks at the ASC office and they're nice people. But I don't know that they'll have a conference in the relatively near future.

[TheChucker]

The LSC already has 10 football members, so 11 including Sul Ross. Would there even be room for more teams? Just looking at the LSC football website, they haven't had more than 10 teams going back at least 10 years.