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[Pat Coleman]

Anyone else experiencing multiple drops of their $10 fee?

I had a few in the first game, but simply hitting refresh on the browser works super well.

[USee]

I thought both PI's were bad calls

Agree. but if you call the first one, have to call the second.

Not really. The DB impeded the WR's effort to come back for the ball in the first one. The WR stuck out his arm in the second, but there was barely any contact with the DB and that wasn't what created the space.

Of course, says the MHB fan.....then you have to call Jordan's push in the back on the fade.

[UMHB03]

I thought both PI's were bad calls

Agree. but if you call the first one, have to call the second.

Not really. The DB impeded the WR's effort to come back for the ball in the first one. The WR stuck out his arm in the second, but there was barely any contact with the DB and that wasn't what created the space.

Of course, says the MHB fan.....then you have to call Jordan's push in the back on the fade.

UMHB fan or not, the refs have to officiate by the rules. One play was PI and the other wasn't. That's just the way it is.

That said, it doesn't really matter. NC is the better team and that's starting to become clear.

[USee]

I thought both PI's were bad calls

Agree. but if you call the first one, have to call the second.

Not really. The DB impeded the WR's effort to come back for the ball in the first one. The WR stuck out his arm in the second, but there was barely any contact with the DB and that wasn't what created the space.

Of course, says the MHB fan.....then you have to call Jordan's push in the back on the fade.

UMHB fan or not, the refs have to officiate by the rules. One play was PI and the other wasn't. That's just the way it is.

That said, it doesn't really matter. NC is the better team and that's starting to become clear.

So a flag on both plays is the refs not enforcing the rules? Hmmmm. Have to call them both or neither. But as you say, looking like a moot point.

[D O.C.]

One quarter to display that fire in the belly.

[Etchglow]

I thought both PI's were bad calls

Agree. but if you call the first one, have to call the second.

Not really. The DB impeded the WR's effort to come back for the ball in the first one. The WR stuck out his arm in the second, but there was barely any contact with the DB and that wasn't what created the space.

Of course, says the MHB fan.....then you have to call Jordan's push in the back on the fade.

UMHB fan or not, the refs have to officiate by the rules. One play was PI and the other wasn't. That's just the way it is.

That said, it doesn't really matter. NC is the better team and that's starting to become clear.

So a flag on both plays is the refs not enforcing the rules? Hmmmm. Have to call them both or neither. But as you say, looking like a moot point.

So if you have to call both, how do you explain the no call when 26 tackled Jordan on 4th down?

[CardsFan1988]

I thought both PI's were bad calls

Agree. but if you call the first one, have to call the second.

Not really. The DB impeded the WR's effort to come back for the ball in the first one. The WR stuck out his arm in the second, but there was barely any contact with the DB and that wasn't what created the space.

Of course, says the MHB fan.....then you have to call Jordan's push in the back on the fade.

UMHB fan or not, the refs have to officiate by the rules. One play was PI and the other wasn't. That's just the way it is.

That said, it doesn't really matter. NC is the better team and that's starting to become clear.

So a flag on both plays is the refs not enforcing the rules? Hmmmm. Have to call them both or neither. But as you say, looking like a moot point.

So if you have to call both, how do you explain the no call when 26 tackled Jordan on 4th down?

Go back and watch where Jordan's hand is on that play and why 26 went to the ground. To clarify, the rule isn't "Jordan can be as physical as he wants but Dbs can't touch him".

[zipmac22]

One quarter to display that fire in the belly.

I don't see it happening. It seems that too many of the players want to be anyplace but at the game. The will and desire to win has apparently left the players. I hope Coach Johnson reteaches his defensive players how to tackle and wrap up.

Congratulations to North Central for a strong win and wipe Mount Union across the field next week.

[Etchglow]

I thought both PI's were bad calls

Agree. but if you call the first one, have to call the second.

Not really. The DB impeded the WR's effort to come back for the ball in the first one. The WR stuck out his arm in the second, but there was barely any contact with the DB and that wasn't what created the space.

Of course, says the MHB fan.....then you have to call Jordan's push in the back on the fade.

UMHB fan or not, the refs have to officiate by the rules. One play was PI and the other wasn't. That's just the way it is.

That said, it doesn't really matter. NC is the better team and that's starting to become clear.

So a flag on both plays is the refs not enforcing the rules? Hmmmm. Have to call them both or neither. But as you say, looking like a moot point.

So if you have to call both, how do you explain the no call when 26 tackled Jordan on 4th down?

Go back and watch where Jordan's hand is on that play and why 26 went to the ground. To clarify, the rule isn't "Jordan can be as physical as he wants but Dbs can't touch him".

So the db's can use their hands but Jordan can't?

[CardsFan1988]

I thought both PI's were bad calls

Agree. but if you call the first one, have to call the second.

Not really. The DB impeded the WR's effort to come back for the ball in the first one. The WR stuck out his arm in the second, but there was barely any contact with the DB and that wasn't what created the space.

Of course, says the MHB fan.....then you have to call Jordan's push in the back on the fade.

UMHB fan or not, the refs have to officiate by the rules. One play was PI and the other wasn't. That's just the way it is.

That said, it doesn't really matter. NC is the better team and that's starting to become clear.

So a flag on both plays is the refs not enforcing the rules? Hmmmm. Have to call them both or neither. But as you say, looking like a moot point.

So if you have to call both, how do you explain the no call when 26 tackled Jordan on 4th down?

Go back and watch where Jordan's hand is on that play and why 26 went to the ground. To clarify, the rule isn't "Jordan can be as physical as he wants but Dbs can't touch him".

So the db's can use their hands but Jordan can't?

Not if one is a penalty and the other isn't. On the play you're referring too both players had their hands on each other and went to the ground. That doesn't mean it's defensive PI. It means it's a foul on both players (which obviously isn't called) or it's a no call as they both had their hands on each other.

[UMHB03]

I thought both PI's were bad calls

Agree. but if you call the first one, have to call the second.

Not really. The DB impeded the WR's effort to come back for the ball in the first one. The WR stuck out his arm in the second, but there was barely any contact with the DB and that wasn't what created the space.

Of course, says the MHB fan.....then you have to call Jordan's push in the back on the fade.

UMHB fan or not, the refs have to officiate by the rules. One play was PI and the other wasn't. That's just the way it is.

That said, it doesn't really matter. NC is the better team and that's starting to become clear.

So a flag on both plays is the refs not enforcing the rules? Hmmmm. Have to call them both or neither. But as you say, looking like a moot point.

When one flag is thrown on a play that meets the criteria for PI and another on a play that does not, yes that's the refs not enforcing the rules. There's nothing in the rules that says there has to be flag thrown on a legal play just because they threw one on a illegal play earlier.

[UMHB03]

I hate to see these seniors get humiliated like this in their final game after all they have done for the program.

Just a pitiful performance. Hopefully Harmon can light under these guys next year because they really didn't seem like they were all that dialed in for much of the year. Maybe this hurt their pride and they'll show up more motivated in 2023. And Jack Johnson needs to be on a short leash if he's retained. The defense was unacceptable this year, by UMHB standards. I know they had to replace a lot, but that's the case every year and they haven't struggled like they did in 2022 in a VERY long time.

Congrats to NCC. Clearly a much better team this year.

[hazzben]

Congrats on a solid run Cru. I realize it wasn't the ending you wanted, but these seniors played some great football over the course of their careers and took home some hardware.

[emma17]

Congrats on a solid run Cru. I realize it wasn't the ending you wanted, but these seniors played some great football over the course of their careers and took home some hardware.

Agreed. Congratulations UMHB on a great season and run.

[Crubacker]

WOW!  What a butt whooping!  Defense has been suspect all year.  NCC took advantage of a weak defense and made them pay.  All credit goes to NCC.  UMHB play calling was a little suspect at times and lack of pressure on any QB weather they are elite or not is unlike UMHB.  Secondary was weak, defense line needed to get more pressure.  I will give UMHB a ton of credit for getting as far as they did with this defense.  It's been a very long time that UMHB defense has not been ranked in the top ten in just about every defensive statistical category. 

It's like the NCC coach said last year at the Stage bowl---------they ran into a bit of a buzz saw---------well, UMHB ran into that today and go their butts chewed up.  Congrats to NCC on a well played game!!!!  Good luck in the Stagg Bowl!