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[Mavchamp]

Mavchamp, I do not see Rugby on the ETBU website.

Hmmm.... I found the page.  But it looks like they only played a handful of games.  I wasn't aware that it had ended.  They had both a men's team and a ladies team.

https://goetbutigers.com/sports/mens-rugby/schedule

Lacrosse and Hockey are still going.  Hockey team made the playoffs. 

[Inkblot]

The LSC is such a massive conference for non-football sports already. I think UTD would be the 17th member after UFS leaves. If current ASC members are essentially forced into D2, would the LSC conference be too big? Any other LSC non-football schools moving out or up to D1?

For football, it sounds like the LSC would welcome more TX schools to replace the Pacific Northwest affiliates.

IF...HUGE IF....IF ETBU were forced to go to D2.....my guess is that they would join the Great American Conference instead of the LSC.

Geographically....the GAC makes a ton more sense.


Marshall, Texas  to Alva ,Oklahoma 485 Miles
to Weatherford, Oklahoma 423 miles
to Bethany, Oklahoma 365 miles
to Russellville, Arkansas 284 miles
To Shawnee, Oklahoma 285
To Searcy, Arkansas 265 miles
To Ada, Arkansas 237 miles
To Monticello, Arkansas 197 miles
to Durant, Oklahoma 193 miles
To Arkadelphia, Arkansas 150 miles (Twice)

TOTAL:  3,034 miles.  8 of the rivals are less than 300 miles from ETBU.

Vs. LSC

Marshall, Texas to Silver City, New Mexico 939 miles
to Portales, New Mexico 605 miles
to Canyon, Texas 531 miles
to Odessa, Texas 504 miles
to Lubbock, Texas 497
to Laredo, Texas 461
to San Angelo, Texas 410 miles
to Laredo, Texas 453 miles
to Oklahoma City, OK 354 miles
to San Antonio, Texas 353 miles
to Lawton, Oklahoma 343 miles
to Wichita Falls, Texas 291 miles
to Austin, Texas 276 miles
to Fort Smith, Arkansas 251 miles
to Denton, Texas 188 miles
to Magnolia, Arkansas 104 miles
to Tyler, Texas 62 miles

TOTAL: 6,269 miles.  11 rivals are over 300 miles from Marshall.


GAC makes a lot more sense.  But D2 still seems like a long shot.  But D-3 options are thin.  ASC seems to be on life support.  SCAC may or may not be interested.  SAA seems a longshot.

Not sure a partnership with the SCIAC helps much..... some crazy travel. 

The more I read up on the NAIA (Sooner Conference)....it's just not a great fit for ETBU athletically..... even if it makes TOTAL geographic sense.  Travel wise it's a GREAT fit with Fort Worth, Waxahachie, Plainview, Tyler, Pineville (La)..... but with ETBU having hockey, Lacrosse, rugby.... seems to be a longshot.......'

I don't think the GAC is interested in expansion, especially into a third state.

[Caz Bombers]

Hockey, lacrosse and rugby are just club sports at ETBU, and it doesn't appear that men's rugby has been active since 2017 anyway. They would be unaffected by a move to D2.

[Mavchamp]

Hockey, lacrosse and rugby are just club sports at ETBU, and it doesn't appear that men's rugby has been active since 2017 anyway. They would be unaffected by a move to D2.

Is hockey considered club?  It's in the TCHC, which is a part of the ACHA.  I think the ACHA just calls its self Non-NCAA.  But I"m not sure about it being considered club.  There's a nationwide playoff......  Just not sure about the status.

Honestly don't know anything about the Lacrosse team other than it's in the Lone Star Alliance of the MCLA.  May very well be club. 

[Caz Bombers]

Hockey, lacrosse and rugby are just club sports at ETBU, and it doesn't appear that men's rugby has been active since 2017 anyway. They would be unaffected by a move to D2.

Is hockey considered club?  It's in the TCHC, which is a part of the ACHA.  I think the ACHA just calls its self Non-NCAA.  But I"m not sure about it being considered club.  There's a nationwide playoff......  Just not sure about the status.

Honestly don't know anything about the Lacrosse team other than it's in the Lone Star Alliance of the MCLA.  May very well be club.

Those sports don't participate in NCAA D3 lacrosse or hockey, so as far as I and the NCAA are concerned, they're club teams. The semantics aren't particularly relevant.

[Pat Coleman]

Absolutely that is a club team.

[TheChucker]

I just noticed Hardin Simmons opens against Albright, a winless team last year. Do the Cowboy starters even hit the field?

[justafan12]

Sorry to post this question here as it does not relate to the ASC but no real other place to post this.

My son took a coaching job and was there for a total of 2 weeks before the college went belly up; out of business; closed the doors.  So he is scrambling to find a job; has had several college offers but nothing that he has settled on yet.  He currently has 1 year of college coaching in football. 
He has been offered a football coaching job at a local high school that is paying him way more that he would make as a college coach at this point.  He is afraid that if he gets out of college coaching that it will be hard to get back in even if it is just for a year. 
He thinks that a future college coach will look down on a year of high school experience on his resume.  My thoughts are it is easily explained as to why he is taking the high school job and as a dad I am thinking about the money that he would make.  He thinks the experience in college out weighs that. 

Any one have any thoughts on this; espically in regards to college coaches hiring him in the future.

Thanks

[Etchglow]

Sorry to post this question here as it does not relate to the ASC but no real other place to post this.

My son took a coaching job and was there for a total of 2 weeks before the college went belly up; out of business; closed the doors.  So he is scrambling to find a job; has had several college offers but nothing that he has settled on yet.  He currently has 1 year of college coaching in football. 
He has been offered a football coaching job at a local high school that is paying him way more that he would make as a college coach at this point.  He is afraid that if he gets out of college coaching that it will be hard to get back in even if it is just for a year. 
He thinks that a future college coach will look down on a year of high school experience on his resume.  My thoughts are it is easily explained as to why he is taking the high school job and as a dad I am thinking about the money that he would make.  He thinks the experience in college out weighs that. 

Any one have any thoughts on this; espically in regards to college coaches hiring him in the future.

Thanks

Not in the industry, but Andy Padron the UMHB offensive coordinator spent 3 years as a the offensive coordinator at Desoto HS before coming to UMHB.

[The Mole]

Albright has really fallen off the map. They had a pretty good run from 2007-2017 with some NCAA bids, victories and a bunch of ECAC appearances and wins. The team got splintered with a player kneeling during the national anthem and they actually went winless in 2018 after an 8-3 2017 where they lost an ECAC game to former MAC rival Susquehanna. On paper, they had probably the best 11 year track record in program history. So in 2018, no one could have anticipated the fall off. They laid an egg losing 48-14 to Salisbury in Week 1 and then (gulp!) hosted 2017 national runner up (and eventual 2018 national champion) UMHB. The CRU won 91-7. It was 51-0 at half. Program has not recovered since. The Coach has since taken a job in the private sector and the current staff is attempting a significant rebuild. They have won FOUR games since that ECAC loss to Susquehanna to end the 2017 campaign.
I would not anticipate a very competitive game. Warm up scrimmage for the Cowboys, not sure what it accomplishes for a program trying to regain its footing, a trip to TX to get monkey stomped is not going to build much confidence. The following week they get DelVal, which has not lost a MAC game since 2016! Kings, which started 8-1 last year awaits them in week 3. Lions are a shadow of themselves. Hopefully, they can stay healthy and hang in for those first 3 weeks.

I just noticed Hardin Simmons opens against Albright, a winless team last year. Do the Cowboy starters even hit the field?

[y_jack_lok]

Sorry to post this question here as it does not relate to the ASC but no real other place to post this.

My son took a coaching job and was there for a total of 2 weeks before the college went belly up; out of business; closed the doors.  So he is scrambling to find a job; has had several college offers but nothing that he has settled on yet.  He currently has 1 year of college coaching in football. 
He has been offered a football coaching job at a local high school that is paying him way more that he would make as a college coach at this point.  He is afraid that if he gets out of college coaching that it will be hard to get back in even if it is just for a year. 
He thinks that a future college coach will look down on a year of high school experience on his resume.  My thoughts are it is easily explained as to why he is taking the high school job and as a dad I am thinking about the money that he would make.  He thinks the experience in college out weighs that. 

Any one have any thoughts on this; espically in regards to college coaches hiring him in the future.

Thanks

That's an interesting question. Hope you don't mind that I quoted your post on the ODAC board to see if anyone over there has thoughts that might be helpful.

I think you could post this lots of places to see what kind of feedback you get.

[D3Navy]

Sorry to post this question here as it does not relate to the ASC but no real other place to post this.

My son took a coaching job and was there for a total of 2 weeks before the college went belly up; out of business; closed the doors.  So he is scrambling to find a job; has had several college offers but nothing that he has settled on yet.  He currently has 1 year of college coaching in football. 
He has been offered a football coaching job at a local high school that is paying him way more that he would make as a college coach at this point.  He is afraid that if he gets out of college coaching that it will be hard to get back in even if it is just for a year. 
He thinks that a future college coach will look down on a year of high school experience on his resume.  My thoughts are it is easily explained as to why he is taking the high school job and as a dad I am thinking about the money that he would make.  He thinks the experience in college out weighs that. 

Any one have any thoughts on this; espically in regards to college coaches hiring him in the future.

Thanks

I would think that if the circumstances are explained (short notice loss of job and needed to work), any school worth playing for would understand that completely.

[Ralph Turner]

Some interesting names are on this list of college closures.
https://www.bestcolleges.com/research/closed-colleges-list-statistics-major-closures/

[Ron Boerger]

Maybe the ASC should call up the commissioner of the Pac-12 no 10 no 9 no 8 no 6 and see if they want to make a deal.

[Ralph Turner]

Maybe the ASC should call up the commissioner of the Pac-12 no 10 no 9 no 8 no 6 and see if they want to make a deal.

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