FB: American Southwest Conference

[uwwcontra2007]

Where are you seeing that UWW has posted their schedule?  I've looked on Twitter and on the UWW website, and nothing has been posted.  We just know our non-conference opponents, just not dates.

https://twitter.com/JoshGolberg/status/1768433292880343422

Thank you!  I was not aware of this.  See you guys on September 21!

[Etchglow]

Guess we have one confirmed game since UWW posted their schedule and the Cru will be at Whitewater on September 21st.

One interesting thing is I was basically counting that day as the day we would be playing Bethel. When all this news started coming out I did some research and they had already released some of their schedule and specifically said they were looking for a game on September 21st so either that changed or something is off.

https://bethelathletics.com/sports/fball/2023-24/releases/20240221tmfqvb

Are we talking Bethel College (Kansas) or Bethel University (Minnesota)?  The one posted earlier was College which is the Kansas NAIA school.  Pretty sure we had a TE grad transfer to UMHB a few years back from the one in Kansas...

The original post said Bethel College but then listed McKenzie, Tennessee which is Bethel University just not the D3 version in Minnesota.

Ahhhhhhh my brain is exploding, too many Bethels...

Edit: Looks like it is the TN Bethel and the game is the 7th at 1:00 PM. 

[CRUmember]

This just came in email to renew season tickets:

UMHB Football 2024 Schedule
September 7 – at Bethel University (McKenzie, TN) - 1:00 pm
September 14 – Westgate Christian University (Houston, TX), HOME GAME - 6:00 pm
September 21 – at Wisconsin Whitewater (Whitewater, WI) - 1:00 pm
September 28 – John Melvin University (Crowley, LA), HOME GAME - 1:00 pm
October 5 – ETBU, HOME GAME 1:00 pm
October 12 – Hardin Simmons HOME GAME - 1:00 pm
October 19th – at Howard Payne - 1:00 pm
October 26th – OPEN WEEK
November 2 – at ETBU - 1:00 pm
November 9 – at Hardin Simmons - 1:00 pm
November 16 – Howard Payne HOME GAME – 1:00 pm

[UMHB03]

This just came in email to renew season tickets:

UMHB Football 2024 Schedule
September 7 – at Bethel University (McKenzie, TN) - 1:00 pm
September 14 – Westgate Christian University (Houston, TX), HOME GAME - 6:00 pm
September 21 – at Wisconsin Whitewater (Whitewater, WI) - 1:00 pm
September 28 – John Melvin University (Crowley, LA), HOME GAME - 1:00 pm
October 5 – ETBU, HOME GAME 1:00 pm
October 12 – Hardin Simmons HOME GAME - 1:00 pm
October 19th – at Howard Payne - 1:00 pm
October 26th – OPEN WEEK
November 2 – at ETBU - 1:00 pm
November 9 – at Hardin Simmons - 1:00 pm
November 16 – Howard Payne HOME GAME – 1:00 pm

Thanks for posting!

[CruFrenzy]

This just came in email to renew season tickets:

UMHB Football 2024 Schedule
September 7 – at Bethel University (McKenzie, TN) - 1:00 pm
September 14 – Westgate Christian University (Houston, TX), HOME GAME - 6:00 pm
September 21 – at Wisconsin Whitewater (Whitewater, WI) - 1:00 pm
September 28 – John Melvin University (Crowley, LA), HOME GAME - 1:00 pm
October 5 – ETBU, HOME GAME 1:00 pm
October 12 – Hardin Simmons HOME GAME - 1:00 pm
October 19th – at Howard Payne - 1:00 pm
October 26th – OPEN WEEK
November 2 – at ETBU - 1:00 pm
November 9 – at Hardin Simmons - 1:00 pm
November 16 – Howard Payne HOME GAME – 1:00 pm

Wow, we are actually playing a prep school and club team in our first two home games. Won't be attending the home opener for the first time in a very long time, this is flat out embarrassing to be totally honest.

[Ron Boerger]

UMHB made the schedule official today:  https://x.com/crufootball/status/1771210428040810714

[Riley Zayas]

I have confirmed with the NCAA. Neither Westgate Christian University nor John Melvin are countable games per the NCAA's official statistics policy for countable opponents. The stats from both games will not be able to be used...and because of that, those games cannot factor into UMHB's record. As a result, UMHB is essentially playing eight games and two exhibitions.

[Etchglow]

I have confirmed with the NCAA. Neither Westgate Christian University nor John Melvin are countable games per the NCAA's official statistics policy for countable opponents. The stats from both games will not be able to be used...and because of that, those games cannot factor into UMHB's record. As a result, UMHB is essentially playing eight games and two exhibitions.

That is, unless they are able to finish their accreditation and join the red river conference in NAIA that they've been working on for for the last few years.

Edit to add: speaking about John Melvin in the above case.

Regardless, it seems like UMHB is basically conceding that it is a win the conference or go home type thing now that there are only 4 teams in the ASC. Would be interesting if you could get some comments from someone at the school as to the rationale though...

[Mavchamp]

It's been a year since the mass exodus from the ASC was announced.

A whole year and we have NOTHING....NOTHING from the ASC to give any hope of something positive hoping.

Hope of recruiting schools like Wayland, Texas Wesleyan, Texas College, SGAU, NAU...... we only need 2 of them.  More would be great.  But just two would save the conference.  NOTHING. 

Partnership with SCAC?  Nope.
SAA? Nope.
SCIAC?  Nope.
C2C?  Nope.

At this point all four just need to accept the fact that they are going to have to act of their own accord to save themselves.  Can't continue down this road....it's clearly unsustainable due to the staggering lack of leadership from the conference. 

Staying D-3 seems unlikely, especially for HSU and UMHB.  Seems no one wants their winning ways.
HPU and ETBU may have slim chances to end up in another D-3 conference.  But seems unlikely.

Do any of them go D2?  NAIA?

Just a total mess.  It's infuriating. 

[Inkblot]

Regardless, it seems like UMHB is basically conceding that it is a win the conference or go home type thing now that there are only 4 teams in the ASC.

If UMHB goes 5-1 and loses the auto bid on tiebreaker after beating Wisconsin–Whitewater, it seems like there's a good chance they'd get in.

[BSCpanthers]

It's been a year since the mass exodus from the ASC was announced.

A whole year and we have NOTHING....NOTHING from the ASC to give any hope of something positive hoping.

Hope of recruiting schools like Wayland, Texas Wesleyan, Texas College, SGAU, NAU...... we only need 2 of them.  More would be great.  But just two would save the conference.  NOTHING. 

Partnership with SCAC?  Nope.
SAA? Nope.
SCIAC?  Nope.
C2C?  Nope.

At this point all four just need to accept the fact that they are going to have to act of their own accord to save themselves.  Can't continue down this road....it's clearly unsustainable due to the staggering lack of leadership from the conference. 

Staying D-3 seems unlikely, especially for HSU and UMHB.  Seems no one wants their winning ways.
HPU and ETBU may have slim chances to end up in another D-3 conference.  But seems unlikely.

Do any of them go D2?  NAIA?

Just a total mess.  It's infuriating. 

SAA will be looking for another addition, BSC is done, shutting the doors May 31st. 

[crufootball]

It's been a year since the mass exodus from the ASC was announced.

A whole year and we have NOTHING....NOTHING from the ASC to give any hope of something positive hoping.

Hope of recruiting schools like Wayland, Texas Wesleyan, Texas College, SGAU, NAU...... we only need 2 of them.  More would be great.  But just two would save the conference.  NOTHING. 

Partnership with SCAC?  Nope.
SAA? Nope.
SCIAC?  Nope.
C2C?  Nope.

At this point all four just need to accept the fact that they are going to have to act of their own accord to save themselves.  Can't continue down this road....it's clearly unsustainable due to the staggering lack of leadership from the conference. 

Staying D-3 seems unlikely, especially for HSU and UMHB.  Seems no one wants their winning ways.
HPU and ETBU may have slim chances to end up in another D-3 conference.  But seems unlikely.

Do any of them go D2?  NAIA?

Just a total mess.  It's infuriating. 

SAA will be looking for another addition, BSC is done, shutting the doors May 31st. 

Haha going to test the strength of the bond between the Baptist 4

[UMHB03]

It's been a year since the mass exodus from the ASC was announced.

A whole year and we have NOTHING....NOTHING from the ASC to give any hope of something positive hoping.

Hope of recruiting schools like Wayland, Texas Wesleyan, Texas College, SGAU, NAU...... we only need 2 of them.  More would be great.  But just two would save the conference.  NOTHING. 

Partnership with SCAC?  Nope.
SAA? Nope.
SCIAC?  Nope.
C2C?  Nope.

At this point all four just need to accept the fact that they are going to have to act of their own accord to save themselves.  Can't continue down this road....it's clearly unsustainable due to the staggering lack of leadership from the conference. 

Staying D-3 seems unlikely, especially for HSU and UMHB.  Seems no one wants their winning ways.
HPU and ETBU may have slim chances to end up in another D-3 conference.  But seems unlikely.

Do any of them go D2?  NAIA?

Just a total mess.  It's infuriating. 

SAA will be looking for another addition, BSC is done, shutting the doors May 31st. 

I'm sad to hear that. I can't imagine how heartbroken I'd be if my alma mater shut down. Prayers to the BSC students and alums.

[Etchglow]

It's been a year since the mass exodus from the ASC was announced.

A whole year and we have NOTHING....NOTHING from the ASC to give any hope of something positive hoping.

Hope of recruiting schools like Wayland, Texas Wesleyan, Texas College, SGAU, NAU...... we only need 2 of them.  More would be great.  But just two would save the conference.  NOTHING. 

Partnership with SCAC?  Nope.
SAA? Nope.
SCIAC?  Nope.
C2C?  Nope.

At this point all four just need to accept the fact that they are going to have to act of their own accord to save themselves.  Can't continue down this road....it's clearly unsustainable due to the staggering lack of leadership from the conference. 

Staying D-3 seems unlikely, especially for HSU and UMHB.  Seems no one wants their winning ways.
HPU and ETBU may have slim chances to end up in another D-3 conference.  But seems unlikely.

Do any of them go D2?  NAIA?

Just a total mess.  It's infuriating. 

SAA will be looking for another addition, BSC is done, shutting the doors May 31st.

Sorry to hear nothing could get worked out. But, I don't think any of the Baptist 4 have the academic chops to join the SAA lol...

[CRUmember]

Bob Quillman
@IWUhoopscom
Hearing the ASC/Coast-to-Coast merger is a done deal for all sports...except football.

https://twitter.com/IWUhoopscom/status/1772820626576650552