FB: American Southwest Conference

[D3fanboy]

Dude, all you do is come onto the ASC board to berate UMHB anyway you can.  Get a life loser.  MU has dropped the ball and you can't handle it.  UMHB may be right there with them but MU hasn't won a championship since 2017-----UMHB has won 2 since then.  North Central has solved the MU jinx and apparently so has ALMA.  LOL

wrong.  I only berate UMHB for losing a bunch of games and missing the playoffs last year and that whole thing about being the only D3FB team to vacate a championship. I get that you think its a real zinger, but every other D3FB program in the country would love to have a 5 year championship drought be their biggest black eye

[Pat Coleman]

Dude, all you do is come onto the ASC board to berate UMHB anyway you can.  Get a life loser.  MU has dropped the ball and you can't handle it.  UMHB may be right there with them but MU hasn't won a championship since 2017-----UMHB has won 2 since then.  North Central has solved the MU jinx and apparently so has ALMA.  LOL

wrong.  I only berate UMHB for losing a bunch of games and missing the playoffs last year and that whole thing about being the only D3FB team to vacate a championship. I get that you think its a real zinger, but every other D3FB program in the country would love to have a 5 year championship drought be their biggest black eye

If you read the OAC board, he actually doesn't pull his punches on Mount Union either.

[UMHB03]

Dude, all you do is come onto the ASC board to berate UMHB anyway you can.  Get a life loser.  MU has dropped the ball and you can't handle it.  UMHB may be right there with them but MU hasn't won a championship since 2017-----UMHB has won 2 since then.  North Central has solved the MU jinx and apparently so has ALMA.  LOL

wrong.  I only berate UMHB for losing a bunch of games and missing the playoffs last year and that whole thing about being the only D3FB team to vacate a championship. I get that you think its a real zinger, but every other D3FB program in the country would love to have a 5 year championship drought be their biggest black eye

Having a down year and losing "a bunch of games" happens from time to time when you actually play a real schedule. And I'm not sure why you get such pleasure berating UMHB over the fact that the regionally biased NCAA unjustifiably "vacated" a perfectly legitimate championship. Seems like something a butt hurt loser would do.

[D3fanboy]

Dude, all you do is come onto the ASC board to berate UMHB anyway you can.  Get a life loser.  MU has dropped the ball and you can't handle it.  UMHB may be right there with them but MU hasn't won a championship since 2017-----UMHB has won 2 since then.  North Central has solved the MU jinx and apparently so has ALMA.  LOL

wrong.  I only berate UMHB for losing a bunch of games and missing the playoffs last year and that whole thing about being the only D3FB team to vacate a championship. I get that you think its a real zinger, but every other D3FB program in the country would love to have a 5 year championship drought be their biggest black eye

Having a down year and losing "a bunch of games" happens from time to time when you actually play a real schedule. And I'm not sure why you get such pleasure berating UMHB over the fact that the regionally biased NCAA unjustifiably "vacated" a perfectly legitimate championship. Seems like something a butt hurt loser would do.

"regionally biased"..."unjustifiably vacated"..."perfectly legitimate championship"  lol, but I'm the butthurt loser?  you guys are great

[Crubacker]

Thank you, we know!

[UMHB03]

Dude, all you do is come onto the ASC board to berate UMHB anyway you can.  Get a life loser.  MU has dropped the ball and you can't handle it.  UMHB may be right there with them but MU hasn't won a championship since 2017-----UMHB has won 2 since then.  North Central has solved the MU jinx and apparently so has ALMA.  LOL

wrong.  I only berate UMHB for losing a bunch of games and missing the playoffs last year and that whole thing about being the only D3FB team to vacate a championship. I get that you think its a real zinger, but every other D3FB program in the country would love to have a 5 year championship drought be their biggest black eye

Having a down year and losing "a bunch of games" happens from time to time when you actually play a real schedule. And I'm not sure why you get such pleasure berating UMHB over the fact that the regionally biased NCAA unjustifiably "vacated" a perfectly legitimate championship. Seems like something a butt hurt loser would do.

"regionally biased"..."unjustifiably vacated"..."perfectly legitimate championship"  lol, but I'm the butthurt loser? 

Yes, you are. You're the one who feels the need to come over to another board and troll. You don't see us doing that.

There's nothing butt hurt about accurately describing the "vacated" championship.

[Pat Coleman]

... the regionally biased NCAA unjustifiably "vacated" a perfectly legitimate championship.

Uhm ... what?

I'm all for ignoring the fact that it was vacated but ... the enforcement process is ... regionally biased? Come on, now.

Is it also regionally biased against Thomas More women's basketball, which had a perfectly legitimate D-III championship vacated? If you're not familiar, Thomas More is not in Texas or on the west coast, where I assume your so-called bias allegations are pointed.

[UMHB03]

... the regionally biased NCAA unjustifiably "vacated" a perfectly legitimate championship.

Uhm ... what?

I'm all for ignoring the fact that it was vacated but ... the enforcement process is ... regionally biased? Come on, now.

Is it also regionally biased against Thomas More women's basketball, which had a perfectly legitimate D-III championship vacated? If you're not familiar, Thomas More is not in Texas or on the west coast, where I assume your so-called bias allegations are pointed.

When you factor in the way that schools like UMHB are treated in the NCAA playoff selection process (murderer's row every single year), and then look at the indefensible decision to vacate a hard earned national championship and a bunch of wins for essentially no reason, I think it's safe to assume that there is a pretty clear, generalized bias. Mount Union, Cortland, Ithaca, Whitewater, etc., would not have been given the same treatment. It's not like all of them (and others) don't do things that could be viewed as violations if the NCAA wanted to pursue it like they did with Fredenburg's UNINTENTIONAL and SELF-REPORTED actions.

[Pat Coleman]

... the regionally biased NCAA unjustifiably "vacated" a perfectly legitimate championship.

Uhm ... what?

I'm all for ignoring the fact that it was vacated but ... the enforcement process is ... regionally biased? Come on, now.

Is it also regionally biased against Thomas More women's basketball, which had a perfectly legitimate D-III championship vacated? If you're not familiar, Thomas More is not in Texas or on the west coast, where I assume your so-called bias allegations are pointed.

When you factor in the way that schools like UMHB are treated in the NCAA playoff selection process (murderer's row every single year), and then look at the indefensible decision to vacate a hard earned national championship and a bunch of wins for essentially no reason, I think it's safe to assume that there is a pretty clear, generalized bias. Mount Union, Cortland, Ithaca, Whitewater, etc., would not have been given the same treatment. It's not like all of them (and others) don't do things that could be viewed as violations if the NCAA wanted to pursue it like they did with Fredenburg's UNINTENTIONAL and SELF-REPORTED actions.

Shouting specific words doesn't change the facts. If UMHB's were the only D-III title vacated in any sport, I'd listen to your case, but the fact is that it is not.

You're trying to tie two things together that are completely unrelated. The judiciary process is not in any way related to the way the budget is spent or how championships are conducted, or, frankly, where the powerful football teams lie geographically within Division III.

[jknezek]

When you factor in the way that schools like UMHB are treated in the NCAA playoff selection process (murderer's row every single year), and then look at the indefensible decision to vacate a hard earned national championship and a bunch of wins for essentially no reason, I think it's safe to assume that there is a pretty clear, generalized bias. Mount Union, Cortland, Ithaca, Whitewater, etc., would not have been given the same treatment. It's not like all of them (and others) don't do things that could be viewed as violations if the NCAA wanted to pursue it like they did with Fredenburg's UNINTENTIONAL and SELF-REPORTED actions.

I get you are a fan and have a legit gripe that the playoff is not actually seeded 1-32, but that requires more money than is available. Those are the facts and it's not going to change. And when we expand to 40 I suspect the push will be to not expand the number of flights with the field if possible. The islands are tough, and that's just an economic reality. But it really has nothing to do with vacating a title.

And while you may also have a legit gripe that it was too strong of a punishment, there was an infraction and a fairly obvious one. Frankly, a fairly stupid one for a long-time coach to make. Good intentions aside, he should have known better. Just absolutely idiotic by any measure.

I think the bias is mostly in your head as a fan, though I do believe the punishment could have been more proportional, it's not like you can argue a violation wasn't committed. It absolutely was and the punishment was absolutely within the scope of the violation. It just, to me, seems a bit on the extreme edge of the range.

[Pat Coleman]

Unfortunately, the penalty for playing an ineligible athlete in a game is that the game is vacated. In this case, it was just that enough games were vacated to vacate a title.

[CNU85]

'Cause there's a red under my bed
And there's a little yellow man in my head

[UMHB03]

... the regionally biased NCAA unjustifiably "vacated" a perfectly legitimate championship.

Uhm ... what?

I'm all for ignoring the fact that it was vacated but ... the enforcement process is ... regionally biased? Come on, now.

Is it also regionally biased against Thomas More women's basketball, which had a perfectly legitimate D-III championship vacated? If you're not familiar, Thomas More is not in Texas or on the west coast, where I assume your so-called bias allegations are pointed.

When you factor in the way that schools like UMHB are treated in the NCAA playoff selection process (murderer's row every single year), and then look at the indefensible decision to vacate a hard earned national championship and a bunch of wins for essentially no reason, I think it's safe to assume that there is a pretty clear, generalized bias. Mount Union, Cortland, Ithaca, Whitewater, etc., would not have been given the same treatment. It's not like all of them (and others) don't do things that could be viewed as violations if the NCAA wanted to pursue it like they did with Fredenburg's UNINTENTIONAL and SELF-REPORTED actions.

Shouting specific words doesn't change the facts. If UMHB's were the only D-III title vacated in any sport, I'd listen to your case, but the fact is that it is not.

You're trying to tie two things together that are completely unrelated. The judiciary process is not in any way related to the way the budget is spent or how championships are conducted, or, frankly, where the powerful football teams lie geographically within Division III.

I never claimed that the vacated title and the consistent unfair treatment by the NCAA selection committee are directly related to each other, nor did I suggest that it is a result of some organized, planned out conspiracy. I suggested that both constitute evidence of a pattern in which a geographical outsider to the "cool club" is treated unfairly. Call it 'subconscious bias' if you like. If you're determined to believe this is all a coincidence, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

UMHB may not be the only school to have a title vacated, but I'm drawing a blank trying the find an eastern school that had a title vacated for such a comically asinine, borderline contrived reason.

Unfortunately, the penalty for playing an ineligible athlete in a game is that the game is vacated. In this case, it was just that enough games were vacated to vacate a title.

The despicable decision to rule the player ineligible in the first place tells you all that you need to know. If you think they would have made the same ruling against Mount Union or one of the other golden child programs, I have a beach house in Nebraska to sell you.

[Pat Coleman]

I never claimed that the vacated title and the consistent unfair treatment by the NCAA selection committee are directly related to each other.

You are, nonetheless, the one that grouped the two together:

the regionally biased NCAA unjustifiably "vacated" a perfectly legitimate championship.

[TLU02SA]

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