FB: American Southwest Conference

baddog · September 22, 2024, 01:28:41 PM

Wasn't Westgate Christian's win against John Melvin U, UMHB's next opponent? Says something about next week - and for the scheduling problem for UMHB and the rest of the ASC.
Just saying.

Etchglow · September 22, 2024, 01:29:22 PM

Quote from: baddog on September 22, 2024, 01:28:41 PMWasn't Westgate Christian's win against John Melvin U, UMHB's next opponent? Says something about next week - and for the scheduling problem for UMHB and the rest of the ASC.
Just saying.

Yep lol.

Ron Boerger · September 22, 2024, 01:48:57 PM

They beat John Melvin, who goes to Belton next week. Start the clock running now ...

tigerguy · September 22, 2024, 03:24:31 PM

UMHB should send its JV team, which I assume would be permitted. UMHB just had a phenomenal win and will gain nothing through a game against a team that lost to Westgate by 41. UMHB should head down (or meet somewhere in the middle) and do a shoulder-pad only scrimmage against Trinity, who will be in a bye week. Not sure that's even allowed, but then again, neither should the game against John Melvin.

Riley Zayas · September 22, 2024, 04:27:48 PM

UMHB is ranked No. 14 in this week's Top 25. Hardin-Simmons up to No. 7. 50% of the ASC is ranked in the nation's Top 15.

UW-Whitewater goes from No. 3 to No. 10.

https://d3football.com/top25/2024/week3

CruFrenzy · September 22, 2024, 05:35:54 PM

I'm fine w the no. 14 ranking. Do I think we are better than that? Yes.

But let's keep that chip on our shoulder and bottle up the intensity we saw vs UWW and maintain it!

Not sure I've seen that level of intensity since 2021...

Crubacker · September 22, 2024, 06:03:44 PM

I don't get it. HSU doesn't play and they move up 5 spots, UMHB takes UWW to the woodshed and only drops 7. Don't understand how you move up 5 spots on a bye week.

baddog · September 22, 2024, 07:08:32 PM

Though an HSU fan I, too, was surprised at the jump after a bye
Maybe some voters were considering that HSU had defeated HPU 38-6 (?) away in Brownwood. This week HPU won at Lyon 41-14 or so.
Last week HSU won at Curry 72-21 This week Curry won 50-0 at [whomever].
Not saying that justifies it. But polls are just polls this early in the season. Ask Whitewater.

jknezek · September 22, 2024, 07:56:44 PM

I think it's more that so many teams ahead of them lost. Off the top of my head, UWW, R-MC, Susquehanna, and Johns Hopkins all lost and dropped from the top 10. So unless you are pushing teams in front for better wins, it's natural HSU move up on a bye.

y_jack_lok · September 22, 2024, 08:21:35 PM

Quote from: baddog on September 22, 2024, 07:08:32 PMThough an HSU fan I, too, was surprised at the jump after a bye
Maybe some voters were considering that HSU had defeated HPU 38-6 (?) away in Brownwood. This week HPU won at Lyon 41-14 or so.
Last week HSU won at Curry 72-21 This week Curry won 50-0 at [whomever].
Not saying that justifies it. But polls are just polls this early in the season. Ask Whitewater.

Polls are always just polls. Just like polls don't vote in elections, the don't play football, either.

TheChucker · September 23, 2024, 03:55:11 PM

Just throwing out random thoughts here. I wonder if teams like UW Lacrosse are showing a way forward in non-conference scheduling for ASC teams. UWL played two D2 teams and an east coast D3 in non-conference play this year. For UMHB and HSU in particular, I wonder if any regional D2 teams would have interest in playing any non-conference games. Non-con games against a mix of decent NAIA and D2 opponents should hold more interest, and be more competitive, than glorified scrimmages against tiny no-name schools and even former games against the bottom half of the old ASC (now the SCAC). The ASC might need to get comfortable with Pool C in the future if they stay D3.

Edit add: I see UW Whitewater played a D2 team this year too (victory over Roosevelt University).

crufootball · September 23, 2024, 04:25:30 PM

Quote from: TheChucker on September 23, 2024, 03:55:11 PMJust throwing out random thoughts here. I wonder if teams like UW Lacrosse are showing a way forward in non-conference scheduling for ASC teams. UWL played two D2 teams and an east coast D3 in non-conference play this year. For UMHB and HSU in particular, I wonder if any regional D2 teams would have interest in playing any non-conference games. Non-con games against a mix of decent NAIA and D2 opponents should hold more interest, and be more competitive, than glorified scrimmages against tiny no-name schools and even former games against the bottom half of the old ASC (now the SCAC). The ASC might need to get comfortable with Pool C in the future if they stay D3.

Edit add: I see UW Whitewater played a D2 team this year too (victory over Roosevelt University).

Maybe I am giving UMHB and/or HSU too much credit but I don't think either of them would be playing some of their opponents this year if they could get better teams to play against. The knock on HSU for years was they didn't appear to bang down the door to find good games, that cannot be said anymore and was never said about UMHB.

But thinking about this from the other side, if you are a Texas or close enough D2 team, what is the incentive to play HSU or UMHB. If you win, it doesn't help you come playoff time and it was a D3 opponent so no one cares. If you lose, you probably weren't a good D2 team and you lose to a recruiting rival from a lower level.

Ralph Turner · September 23, 2024, 05:39:17 PM

Historically HSU has been willing to play anyone, anywhere (but as an outsider, not privy to budget numbers) that they could finance.

https://www.d3football.com/teams/Hardin-Simmons/1999/index

HSU at UWW

HSU has played numerous games against WIAC teams over the years. They have also played Linfield in some prime years as well.

Etchglow · September 23, 2024, 05:47:50 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 23, 2024, 05:39:17 PMHistorically HSU has been willing to play anyone, anywhere (but as an outsider, not privy to budget numbers) that they could finance.

https://www.d3football.com/teams/Hardin-Simmons/1999/index

HSU at UWW

HSU has played numerous games against WIAC teams over the years. They have also played Linfield in some prime years as well.

There was a good 8 year stretch (2014-2021?) where they never left the state for a non-conference game though. Wayland Baptist, Texas College, SWAG were frequently on their schedules.

Ralph Turner · September 23, 2024, 10:09:56 PM

Quote from: Etchglow on September 23, 2024, 05:47:50 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 23, 2024, 05:39:17 PMHistorically HSU has been willing to play anyone, anywhere (but as an outsider, not privy to budget numbers) that they could finance.

https://www.d3football.com/teams/Hardin-Simmons/1999/index

HSU at UWW

HSU has played numerous games against WIAC teams over the years. They have also played Linfield in some prime years as well.

There was a good 8 year stretch (2014-2021?) where they never left the state for a non-conference game though. Wayland Baptist, Texas College, SWAG were frequently on their schedules.

... and I ask, was that a budget issue? Who wants to schedule good Texas teams around the country?

(I would appreciate a knowledgeable person sending me a confidential email or personal message telling me how much a trip to Endicott or Curry or Wittenberg or Whitewater costs?)

Is HPU on the hook for expenses if Wittenberg cancels their game?