FB: American Southwest Conference

[Young Buck]

Hey Dballa,

In response to your quote

" If you look at what the environment was while Gibson was at HPU and what it looks like now in the locker room and around the campus, I don't think anybody misses it."

What are you referring to.  I walked around the locker room and enjoyed it for four years.  I enjoyed being 9-1 and 8-2 and 7-3 last year.  Wish we had done better, but I still enjoyed the times. 

When Redwine runs out of Gibson and Fuller's athletes, the program will fall apart.  It has already started and will continue to go down hill.  HPU will start out 1-4 at best....that never happened while I was there. 

[dballa]

Well if you look at the trend you're talking about, 1 loss, then 2 then 3 and now you're saying 4 with Gibsons recruits, you're saying it has already started falling apart, thats why you start over with something fresh like with Coach Redwine's program.  When these kids get a grasp of the program and begin to improve as the year goes on, they will start winning and playing well.  They'll be just fine in the next few years.

[Young Buck]

Dballa,

You never answered my question though earlier did you. 

However, it didnt start to fall apart until this year.  The past four years I PLAYED at HPU.  We went 8-2, 9-1, 6-4, 7-3.  We actually got better last year with young athletes.  They are all back this year(with the exception of King)....AND THEY WILL DO WORSE!!!
HPU will end up 3-7.  That would've never happened if they kept Gibson happy....or at least hired Fuller when he left.  Those guys might not hold hands with the admin at Chapel, but they do know how to coach football. 

And back to your earlier accustation.....I was a lot happier than most of my buddies are now. 

[Josh Bowerman]

Hard for me to believe that so many people think Trinity is better than HSU w/o Neal.  Even harder for me to believe that so many people think Trinity is better than UMHB!

I'm picking the Tigers this weekend, but the one's I'm picking are from Greencastle!  TU's luck, I'm afraid, is about to run out.   

[BarSRBar903]

So who thought that Sul Ross would be 2-0?  Nobody on here it seems!  The ASC is up for grabs this year if you look at stats and scores.  All the supposed top teams of the ASC are very close but McM and Sul Ross seem to statisticly staying right with HSU and MHB.  Sul Ross put up 450+ yards of offense up against Miss. Col. and kept the ball on the ground the whole fourth quarter.  The score might have been 50-17 if SR would have aired it out.  SR can't wait for HPU next week!


Go Lobos!

[Josh Bowerman]

Dude, that is one classic post!   

[Ralph Turner]

Spirit, here is another!

TLU leads McMurry 11-10 in 21 games after the 2004 season.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/football/FB%20ReleaseTLU9-25.pdf

[Ralph Turner]

ETBU fans, whom did ETBU play back in the 1930's and 1940's before you discontinued football?

[Nimbly_bimbly]

BarSR you are right that Sul Ross has won two games, and that they have had comparable stats to HSU and UMHB, but who have they played again?  Also you said, "The score might have been 50-17 if SR would have aired it out."  Well if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it's ass everytime it jumped.

[Ron Boerger]

All the supposed top teams of the ASC are very close but McM and Sul Ross seem to statisticly staying right with HSU and MHB. 
Go Lobos!

Sully and McMurry have been impressive; however ...

• Sul Ross barely got by SAGU (1-10 last year, 1-2 this year).  The win against MC came against a team disrupted by Katrina and which had to travel 800 miles to Alpine.
• McMurry defeated AC (who has scored 9 points in two games) and 0-3 Menlo who travelled across half the country to get to Abilene. 
• HSU went up to cheeseland and throttled Stevens Point, came home and throttled LC despite having to play their backup QB and RBs.
• UMHB travelled to Oregon to destroy Willamette and came home to handle the best 0-2 team in the country, Texas Lutheran.

I think we can hold off comparing Sully and McMurry to HSU and UMHB for now.  This weekend should show us where McM sits relative to Texas Lutheran, and Sul Ross' game at Howard Payne is no gimme.  Both Sully and McMurry are pleasant surprises (my column this week says as much), but while both are much improved there's a way to go before they threaten the teams at the top of the conference.  For now they need to focus on the HPUs and the ETBUs. 

[Spirit_of_66]

Spirit, here is another!

TLU leads McMurry 11-10 in 21 games after the 2004 season.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/football/FB%20ReleaseTLU9-25.pdf

Thanks RT, I see one trend and common link in this: McMurry, HPU and SRSU are each on the list five times, but it is AC that is on the list six times. Go figure.

1. McM-SRSU, McM leads 41-32-2 (75)
2. HPU-McM, HPU leads, 43-22-2 (69)
3. McM-AC, McM leads 33-28-2 (63)
4. *HPU-HSU, HSU leads 32-24-4 (60)
5. HPU-AC, HPU leads 41-9-3 (53)
6. HPU-SRSU, HPU leads 42-11-0 (53)
7. AC-SRSU, AC leads 22-18-2 (42)
8. HPU-TLU, HPU leads, 18-11-1 (40)
9. LC-MC, MC leads 23-6 (29)
10. HSU-AC, HSU leads 19-7-1 (27)
11. HSU-SRSU, HSU leads 23-2-0 (25)
12. AC-TLU, Series tied 11-11-0 (22)
13. HSU-McM, HSU leads 18-3 (21)
13. McM-TLU, McM leads 11-10-0 (21)
15. AC-MC, AC leads 9-9-1 (19)
16. MC-SRSU, MC leads 9-1-0 (10)

* -- HSU begins its records with the 1917 season, after football was reinstated on campus. The two teams met four times prior to that in 1907 and 1908, playing home and home. The Cowboys went 4-0 in those four contests.

[eagle]

Looking at the TLU roster they are very young, 80 freshman on the team and only 6 seniors although Salinas is one of those. Hopefully the dogs won't be down by losing the 2 close ballgames, I think (IMHO) had the 2 games been switched the dos would be 1 and 1 instead of 0-2. They are improving with each game and the defense is playing better than last year, still a slight problem in giving up the big play though. Hopefully they will put it together against MCM.

[Ralph Turner]

Spirit, McMurry, HPU, AC and Trinity played each other in the old Texas Collegiate AC in the 1930's.  (Other members were St Edward's, Southwestern, Daniel Baker College in Brownwood which "went under" in about 1952, and I believe Abilene Christian.)

That accounts for several of the games.

HPU, SRSU and McM were members of the Lone Star Conference in the mid 1960's to early 1970's along with SFAustin, TAMU-Commerce, Sam Houston State, (Southwest)Texas State and Tarleton St.  That accounts for those games.

The TIAA started in 1976, McM, SRSU, AC, Tarleton St and Trinity.  I believe that HPU joined in 1988, and HSU in 1990.

Hardin Simmons was playing Major College football in the Border Conference before interruption.  That is why there are so few common opponents.  Howard Payne was the dominant team in the Texas Collegiate AC in the 1930's.  They may have played HSU some then.

I believe that several of the AC-TLU games came in the 1960's when they were playing on a different level from HPU-McM-SRSU.  The Mississippi College media guide for the Austin College games.  That is the 6th AC opponent on the list.

[Josh Bowerman]

Ron has mentioned it in his Around the Region column, but I wanted to second it:

Check out the link to the Photo Galleries down the left side of the main d3football.com home page.  If you are a player or parent from McM, AC, HSU or LC, there is likely a photo of you or your son on the field.  I'd encourage you to register and purchase prints from the site, as 100% of the proceeds will be used to keep the site up, running and as fantastic as ever.

Also, keep in mind that what you see isn't always exactly what you'll get--the photos will/can be cropped and have the color and contrast adjusted, in addition to being sharpened before they come to your mailbox. 

This is one way that we can keep the site free of pop-up ads (the other being the purchase of the Preseason Kickoff), and it's a great way to remember your college football expereience.  The prices are reasonable, so order often!

[Ralph Turner]

I went to the MC Media guide and found these games between MC and Austin College.

1953 MC ties 19-19; 1954 loses 0-26.
It skips to 1958 when they play nine straight years, MC wins 7 of 9.  It appears that MC joins the Gulf Coast and starts playing mostly state schools until they join the ASC in 1996 and begin playing a full schedule in 1997.  They defeated AC 56-7 in 1996.

There is the series.

http://www.mc.edu/athletics/football/2005Guide/RecordBook.pdf

There are references in the MC Media Guide to Howard College.  That was the name of Samford University until the name change in 1965. (Modification to answer Spirit's question.)

http://www.samford.edu/history/index.html